WarEagleAUWell my main point is it took two gpus to top a one gpu gt2XX :D

But all valid points.

That might be intentional too. Ati may also have been able to create a huge monolithic gpu, but they realized the costs of doing something like that are just too high. Instead they maximized space and cost to top the monolithic at a lower price. They've said this will be the last one nvidia makes like that, and I wouldn't doubt it the way things are now. It's not necessarily a matter of nvidia making a better gpu, it seems more a matter of business strategy, one that ati went the right way on.

farlex85That might be intentional too. Ati may also have been able to create a huge monolithic gpu, but they realized the costs of doing something like that are just too high. Instead they maximized space and cost to top the monolithic at a lower price. They've said this will be the last one nvidia makes like that, and I wouldn't doubt it the way things are now. It's not necessarily a matter of nvidia making a better gpu, it seems more a matter of business strategy, one that ati went the right way on.

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farlex85That might be intentional too. Ati may also have been able to create a huge monolithic gpu, but they realized the costs of doing something like that are just too high. Instead they maximized space and cost to top the monolithic at a lower price. They've said this will be the last one nvidia makes like that, and I wouldn't doubt it the way things are now. It's not necessarily a matter of nvidia making a better gpu, it seems more a matter of business strategy, one that ati went the right way on.

They already learned from that mistake. For its time the 2900XT 1gb beast managed to keep up with the 8800GTX up until you included games that relied on heavy physics. The 2900's flaw was that the silly simple shaders couldn't do physics properly. The GTX had twice as many shaders as the XT. The reason why the 3870 beats that beast is because it has a faster GPU. The shader arch. of the 2 cards was basically the same. Even so, the XT was $200 cheaper than the GTX.

If ATi could re-work the 2900 power-sucking GPU while making it less costly & more powerful then all the more power to them for that. It was a long thought out process that's finally showing fruit with the 4870 monster. The 4870 is more 3X faster than the 2900XT in physics-related games - & it still the same arch. The only thing is that the 3870x2 experiment worked so well that the 2 GPU cards will become the best PP cards ever. Why should they go back to the monster GPU debacle while NV just hit the wall with one...

so any idea on release dat yet? or power consumption? wondering if my 720w enermax will be enough for 2 x2's or a x2+a 4870

August

flclisgreatso any idea on release dat yet? or power consumption? wondering if my 720w enermax will be enough for 2 x2's or a x2+a 4870

not even close lol a pair of 4870s pulls 500w all by itself so your looking at a peak of 750w with 3 cards running well probably close to 700w with the X2 card in

For Those Of You Say About Ati 4870x2 Crossifre Here Is My Score! AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM ON AIR COOLING! TRY TO BEAT THIS ATI!

You are using PhysX. With physX support for an ATi card don't you think the score would be higher? What if there was an Ageia card installed? Nice score though!:toast:

pseferFor Those Of You Say About Ati 4870x2 Crossifre Here Is My Score! AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM ON AIR COOLING! TRY TO BEAT THIS ATI!

That CPU score of "~45000" shows where you got that score from :rolleyes: Nice bench.

Altough it's FUD now, odds are pointing towards the fact that this ATI bench was run on a Phenom based machine, and that's a 45nm Phenom at that.

pseferFor Those Of You Say About Ati 4870x2 Crossifre Here Is My Score! AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM ON AIR COOLING! TRY TO BEAT THIS ATI!

what is your system? I can't read minds:D

My System Is :
Quad Core Qx9650 @ 4ghz (400x10) (stock Air Cooling!)
4gb Ddr3 Super Talent 1800mhz 9-9-9-24-2t
Evga Nforce 790ultra
4 X Hdd Raptor 150gb Raid 0
3 X Asus Gtx 280 @ Core:670 Shader:1460 Mem :2376
Creative X-fi Fatality Titanium Pcx
Power Supply Thermaltake 1500w Toughpower

pseferMy System Is :
Quad Core Qx9650 @ 4ghz (400x10) (stock Air Cooling!)
4gb Ddr3 Super Talent 1800mhz 9-9-9-24-2t
Evga Nforce 790ultra
4 X Hdd Raptor 150gb Raid 0
3 X Asus Gtx 280 @ Core:670 Shader:1460 Mem :2376
Creative X-fi Fatality Titanium Pcx
Power Supply Thermaltake 1500w Toughpower

How did you install 3x GTX 280 and a X-Fi Titanium together assuming you run the cards "on air" :confused:

Its possible on air cooling titanium in slot above top gfx card.

btarunrThat CPU score of "~45000" shows where you got that score from :rolleyes: Nice bench.

Altough it's FUD now, odds are pointing towards the fact that this ATI bench was run on a Phenom based machine, and that's a 45nm Phenom at that.

that would be impressive, IMO - such being the case, I'm sure the pair could score even higher on a Intel proc.

cdawallnot even close lol a pair of 4870s pulls 500w all by itself so your looking at a peak of 750w with 3 cards running well probably close to 700w with the X2 card in

are you thinking gtx280 for power consumption? cause 250w per card is ridiculous

erockerYou are using PhysX. With physX support for an ATi card don't you think the score would be higher? What if there was an Ageia card installed? Nice score though!:toast:

That's why these bench results are completely useless.

PrudentPrincessThat's why these bench results are completely useless.

They're not useless, you just have to take certain things into account. They can still be indicative of the power of the card.

Prices are meaningless when you compare top-line products.
Product A: 10000 points.
Product B: 9900 points.

Product A: I better than you, I have the crown and my price is x3 you. I don't give a ****!
Product B: There is nothing I can say.

Just look at the top-line Intel CPU.

Top-line product is just for show.
When NVIDIA top-line card is holding the crown, it gives people a good impression to buy their lower-line products.

AMD: They can't hold the crown, but they can still sell alot products. Why? Because AMD is aiming for casual gamers, who doesn't have much money.
NVIDIA: Brute forces. No comments.

farlex85They're not useless, you just have to take certain things into account. They can still be indicative of the power of the card.

Id primarily use them for stability purpose of overclock within windows, as usually most crashes occur in windows.

flclisgreatare you thinking gtx280 for power consumption? cause 250w per card is ridiculous

sorry rereading the graphs it system totals lol :nutkick:

All of you are talking about price perfomance ratio!
Amd cpu's has always been cheaper than intel! why do you buy intel chips which cost more?
you want the performance right?
also about 4870x2:
1) a few day ago we heard that 4870x2 score 5500 at extreme! that 12200 in crosfire seams unrealistic? what than means over 100% increase with the second card? this is stupid!
also check out the reviews in 4870 crossfire (2x4870). the addition of the second card almost sucks! you expect me to beleive that 4 chips will work effieciently? you must be kidding!

kid41212003Prices are meaningless when you compare top-line products.
Product A: 10000 points.
Product B: 9900 points.

Product A: I better than you, I have the crown and my price is x3 you. I don't give a ****!
Product B: There is nothing I can say.

Just look at the top-line Intel CPU.

Top-line product is just for show.
When NVIDIA top-line card is holding the crown, it gives people a good impression to buy their lower-line products.

AMD: They can't hold the crown, but they can still sell alot products. Why? Because AMD is aiming for casual gamers, who doesn't have much money.
NVIDIA: Brute forces. No comments.

If you're saving $950, it's more than meaningful.

pseferAll of you are talking about price perfomance ratio!
Amd cpu's has always been cheaper than intel! why do you buy intel chips which cost more?
you want the performance right?

That used to be true, but Intel changed that with the release of the Core 2 line.

btarunrIf you're saving $950, it's more than meaningful.

Like i said, it just for show, people like me or you, probably won't buy those. Only who look for best performence and doesn't care about the prices.
And AGAIN, those top-line are for SHOWS, those products are not main-lines.

EDIT: Do you think people that's going to buy 3, yes THREE GTX 280, at 600USD each, do you think those people care about how much it costs?
Same with with two 4870X2.

pseferAll of you are talking about price perfomance ratio!
Amd cpu's has always been cheaper than intel! why do you buy intel chips which cost more?
you want the performance right?
also about 4870x2:
1) a few day ago we heard that 4870x2 score 5500 at extreme! that 12200 in crosfire seams unrealistic? what than means over 100% increase with the second card? this is stupid!
also check out the reviews in 4870 crossfire (2x4870). the addition of the second card almost sucks! you expect me to beleive that 4 chips will work effieciently? you must be kidding!

AMD cpus aren't cheaper for the same performance levels anymore. Intel becomes an even better deal when you overclock. in short, Intel DOES have the better price/performance ratio in most cases.