WeerDon't give up so easily. That review has mostly wrong figures, such as 260 SLi beating 280 SLi, and nVidia has the edge in Crysis so they technically still win. Although, yeah, AMD has placed 800 ALU's on a single GPU.. obviously they're going to win some battles. They did what they had to in order to win, no matter the manufacturing cost. nVidia could easily knock them out again, and they very likely will. I wouldn't be against AMD, if only their architecture wasn't so dated and they would finally move to Scalar. But this competition is great. I just think that nVidia fanboys want nVidia to come out a head a little bit.

Ummm, you do realize that it costs more for nVidia to make that huge monolithic die, than it costs ATI to make their smaller dies, right?

PP MguireSingle fastest card = 4870X2
Single fastest chip is GTX280

Lets make the playing grounds more fair. It isnt exactly fair to compare 1 GPU to 2 GPUs. The 2 GPUs will almost always win in any scenario.
Lets put 2 G200 chips on a single board and see whos the winner. Im sure we'll find Nvidia wills till be top single card performance king. Not a fanboi but just stating the facts.

Sad thing is though i think we'll have to wait till 55nm process to see any kind of G200 GX2 variance.

It doesn't matter who has the fastest chip. As was stated earlier in the thread, we don't buy the chips, we buy the cards. How the card becomes faster does not matter at all, only the end result matters, and in this case, the end result is that ATI is faster, period. That's absolutely the only thing that matters for claiming the performance crown.

WeerDon't give up so easily. That review has mostly wrong figures, such as 260 SLi beating 280 SLi, and nVidia has the edge in Crysis so they technically still win. Although, yeah, AMD has placed 800 ALU's on a single GPU.. obviously they're going to win some battles. They did what they had to in order to win, no matter the manufacturing cost. nVidia could easily knock them out again, and they very likely will. I wouldn't be against AMD, if only their architecture wasn't so dated and they would finally move to Scalar. But this competition is great. I just think that nVidia fanboys want nVidia to come out a head a little bit.

WeerJesus Christ. Where did you find such senseless propoganda?

Fanboy much?

Wile EIt doesn't matter who has the fastest chip. As was stated earlier in the thread, we don't buy the chips, we buy the cards. How the card becomes faster does not matter at all, only the end result matters, and in this case, the end result is that ATI is faster, period. That's absolutely the only thing that matters for claiming the performance crown.

I don't think anybody is capable of saying that in any way to make it any more clear.

Ok then when the next GX2 comes out we will have the new performance king. Because the G200 chip is faster and you put 2 on one board (or 2 boards on one slot) it will be faster than 4870x2. It wont take long, Nvidia has their panties in a bunch now.

PP MguireOk then when the next GX2 comes out we will have the new performance king. Because the G200 chip is faster and you put 2 on one board (or 2 boards on one slot) it will be faster than 4870x2. It wont take long, Nvidia has their panties in a bunch now.

I agree, if NV releases a 280GX2, they will have the fastest single card. The problem is, they can't even think about doing that until they get their 55nm process out the door. By then, it may be too little, too late. Time is gonna have to tell in this round. Although it is refreshing to see ATI being competitive again.

They could do it right now with the 65nm die if they wanted to actully, Nvidia does what they want, when they want. It wouldn't be hard to make a dual PCB GX2 card from Nvidia again, the only thing they need to work on is cooling, which IMO i figured that out already :D

Heatpipes from bottom card move heat to HSF unit on front card, making the cooling Tripple slot instead of dual, but this isnt really an issue because most with dual slot don't use that extra slot next to it anyway, and make it an internal duct system similar to the FX5950 Unit. Nvidia could do it and do it with style

Nvidia is going to start looking at costs too, since they are seeing red.

Good and all being the fastest but the thing is I don't want to see either of these card manufacturers pushing synthetic benchtest cards out the door just to say they are the fastest.

Then go to play a game and you see it plays like you have half the card, weird graphic glitches, stuttering, lag spikes despite the super high fps etc. . .

Then everyone who bought the uber fast card hopes for the driver to mature when in actual fact, this is how just the card performs in games.

It's funny, how when one team sees red, the other sees green (opposite team's colour).

candle_86They could do it right now with the 65nm die if they wanted to actully, Nvidia does what they want, when they want. It wouldn't be hard to make a dual PCB GX2 card from Nvidia again, the only thing they need to work on is cooling, which IMO i figured that out already :D

Heatpipes from bottom card move heat to HSF unit on front card, making the cooling Tripple slot instead of dual, but this isnt really an issue because most with dual slot don't use that extra slot next to it anyway, and make it an internal duct system similar to the FX5950 Unit. Nvidia could do it and do it with style

I don't know of too many people willing to buy a card with a triple slot cooling solution. It isn't nearly practical for NV to release a GX2 while still on the 65nm process.

And, although opinion, you say they could do it with style, yet most people I know find the 2 pcb GX2 designs to be a kludge. Albeit a kludge with potential, just in no way elegant or stylish. lol.

when you compage a nvidia x2 vs an ati x2 the nvidia card seems to be more of a ghetto rig, lol

btarunrIt's funny, how when one team sees red, the other sees green (opposite team's colour).

AMD will still see red if their processor's don't perform.

I'm talking about this:

If their CPU's don't perform the charts will start to dip but with their new IGP and the 4870x2 the chart will perform for now. Wonder if they can manage to get Phys-X support.

Wile EI agree, if NV releases a 280GX2, they will have the fastest single card. The problem is, they can't even think about doing that until they get their 55nm process out the door. By then, it may be too little, too late. Time is gonna have to tell in this round. Although it is refreshing to see ATI being competitive again.

From what I've seen, 4870 crossfire scales better than GTX 280 SLI.

anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354&p=7

That's old.

Go AMD go cause this will benefit all of us...

I remember seeing somewhere that the 4870x2 gets 104% gains and every review I've seen of GTX280SLI shows like 60% gains.

up to 104% as low as 50sumpn and average of 70 something

yer nvidia are gonna eat so much shit if they don't jump to 55nm id buy 10 hd4850 for the sake of getting amd richer so they improve drivers and bring better shit out -- not so much of a amd cpu fan

and have nv moved to mixed sli
eg. 1x 280gtx and 2x 8800gt

romboi99yer nvidia are gonna eat so much shit if they don't jump to 55nm id buy 10 hd4850 for the sake of getting amd richer so they improve drivers and bring better shit out -- not so much of a amd cpu fan

romboi99and have nv moved to mixed sli
eg. 1x 280gtx and 2x 8800gt

What? o_O';

zitheWhat? o_O';

i was woundering if nv is able to do what CrossFireX can, like mix a 260GTX with 280GTX with a 8800GT or simuler

they must go more ati better now

zitheFrom what I've seen, 4870 crossfire scales better than GTX 280 SLI.

anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354&p=7

That's old.

It being an old review can can be a negative for ATI as well as NV. NV's performance improves with drivers as well.

And that's at 1 resolution, what about some more common resolutions, like 1920x1200 or 1680x1050?

Got any more links? I'm actually having a hard time finding reviews that include both the X2 and GTX in SLI.

it wouldn't be the most elegant, but if its an internal cooling solution its taking up no more case room than a dual slot with air intake from the case does, or do a rear intake whatever works, but with an open side intake most of us do not put a PCI or PCIe card right next to it so as not to contrict airflow, If nvidia did a triple slot it would work the same way as long as no side intake. This is Nvidia remember, first to market with dual slot cooling. Taking up 3 slots total remember? Also yalls statements to buy only ATI graphics boarder on lunacy, you should by best price/preformace and if your an OC'r calculate in the average OC range of each card. Its that simple buying 10 cards for no reason besides to help AMd is one of the stupidest things ive heard. By best card for your wallet. My next card will be Nvidia again simply because of the massive OC you can get with them