Wednesday, February 4th 2009

NVIDIA to Roll Out ''New'' GeForce GTS 250 at CeBIT

In the weeks to come, next month to be more precise, NVIDIA will officially rename its G92-based graphics cards series. Amongst the "new" SKUs that have surfaced so far, NVIDIA adds the GeForce GTS 250, or present-day GeForce 9800 GTX+. In a bid to garner support from its partners, NVIDIA issued a circular that includes the following statement:
GeForce GTS 250 carries over the same specs and features of 9800 GTX+, and hence the same GPU, memory, board, PCB, and thermal solution. AIC's should be confident in purchasing GPU's, PCB's, and other materials, since the only change is a new VBIOS to implement the new branding.
The GTS 250 model will be accompanied by yet another rebranding: GeForce GTS 240, present-day GeForce 9800 GT and GeForce 8800 GT. The GeForce 9800 GTX+ was released in July 2008, to compete with ATI's Radeon HD 4850. It was an evolution of the GeForce 9800 accelerator, to which it was built on a newer manufacturing process that facilitated higher clock speeds. NVIDIA is likely to choose CeBIT as the ideal launch-pad for its new series of graphics cards.
Source: Expreview
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54 Comments on NVIDIA to Roll Out ''New'' GeForce GTS 250 at CeBIT

#26
ascstinger
KainXSits the same card in this case, not even a die strink, so does it matter

this is just a dirty little trick that nvidia is doing to get more people who don't know anything about video cards to buy this GTS 250 which is pretty much no different from a 9800GTX+
was more of an observation because not everyone is as knowledgeable as we are on nvidia's naming, and I'll bet the gts250 would sell for more
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#28
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
Nvidia needs to stop the rebranding.

But i may get the GTS 250.:)
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#29
LittleLizard
KainXSso far its

8800GTS > 9800GTX > GTS 250
8800GS > 9600GSO
8800GT > 9800GT > GTS 240
8500GT > 9400GT
8600GTS > 9500GT

pretty much the only 2 cards in the 9 series that weren't die strunk and taken to the 9 series were the 9600GT and 9800GX2 which really sucks so when you think about that, its no suprise they did it again cause they already did it before

but it really needs to stop with the G92's now, they can't contend with ati's mid to high end cards anymore and now nvidia is just lookin stupid.

but I think this started upon the success of the 8800GT, which was ahead of its time but now its just gettin old an nearly in the low - mid category
also consider that a 9800gx2 are basically two 9800 soldered and put them in sli, so the only real card from the 9 series is the 9600gt :P
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#30
Hayder_Master
KainXSso far its

8800GTS > 9800GTX > GTS 250
8800GS > 9600GSO
8800GT > 9800GT > GTS 240
8500GT > 9400GT
8600GTS > 9500GT

pretty much the only 2 cards in the 9 series that weren't die strunk and taken to the 9 series were the 9600GT and 9800GX2 which really sucks so when you think about that, its no suprise they did it again cause they already did it before

but it really needs to stop with the G92's now, they can't contend with ati's mid to high end cards anymore and now nvidia is just lookin stupid.

but I think this started upon the success of the 8800GT, which was ahead of its time but now its just gettin old an nearly in the low - mid category
agreed , so im also want say to nvidia enough upgrade for names , real upgreade hardware will be better
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#31
EastCoasthandle
KainXSso far its

8800GTS > 9800GTX > GTS 250
8800GS > 9600GSO
8800GT > 9800GT > GTS 240
8500GT > 9400GT
8600GTS > 9500GT

pretty much the only 2 cards in the 9 series that weren't die strunk and taken to the 9 series were the 9600GT and 9800GX2 which really sucks so when you think about that, its no suprise they did it again cause they already did it before

but it really needs to stop with the G92's now, they can't contend with ati's mid to high end cards anymore and now nvidia is just lookin stupid.

but I think this started upon the success of the 8800GT, which was ahead of its time but now its just gettin old an nearly in the low - mid category
Sad really, this says a lot to me:
1. They have overhead
2. This chip offers the best yields
3. This is the cheapest chip they can make
:shadedshu

As long as the media report this more and more people are informed.
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#33
newconroer
KainXSits the same card in this case, not even a die strink, so does it matter

this is just a dirty little trick that nvidia is doing to get more people who don't know anything about video cards to buy this GTS 250 which is pretty much no different from a 9800GTX+
But if the consumer is getting the same performance, then why does it matter?

Consider that from a marketing point of view, a line-up of cards all prefixed with 2XX and then a sore thumb 9800 sticking out, it doesn't really mesh well.

I imagine in a perfect world, where card generations didn't end up overlapping, this wouldn't be a problem. But with all the products being released and the timetables involved, that's obviously not the case.
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#34
R_1
69erAnd Nvidia wonders why they're LOSING market share...

Re-Branding is 4 losers !

+1
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#35
Millenia
ITmanConvenient how ATI lovers ignored this post :laugh:
Doing it TWICE for a card as with the 8800GT is just cheap though :P
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#36
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
NVIDIA has to stop this immediately and yes, I expect whoever started screwing with NVIDIA's model system beginning with the 8800 GTS 512 MiB and 8800 GT to receive no less than three pink slips just to make it abundantly clear they have to leave. This is nonsense taken to the extreme.
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#37
r9
Megabytes and Model numbers have big effect on buyers that don`t know much.
Do you know how difficult is it to explain to a customer that HD3850 256mb ddr3 is faster than HD4350 512 ddr2. How to hell is possible 256 to beat 512 and 3850 to beat 4830. At least with ATI you can explain that at 3850
3 - genearion
8 - class
50 - sub model
How to hell to explain that three models could be the same Card. They think that I`m trying to make them stupid.
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#38
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
everyone does understand the 8800GTS G92 and 9800GTX G92 are not the same card the 9800GTX adds power saving features that allow it to run hybrid SLi something the 8800GTS cannot due. this is also the reason the 9800GTX is a longer card than the 8800GTS. the 9800GTX+ adds a die shrink to the entire thing allowing the same thermal's to push a higher clock from the factory the GTS250 is a rebadged card but if the push the clocks up again it wont be a bad buy assuming it is priced like a mid range card. who here would complain about buying a rebadged 9800GTX+ for the same price as a 4670 or 9600GSO?
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#39
zithe
r9Megabytes and Model numbers have big effect on buyers that don`t know much.
Do you know how difficult is it to explain to a customer that HD3850 256mb ddr3 is faster than HD4350 512 ddr2. How to hell is possible 256 to beat 512 and 3850 to beat 4830. At least with ATI you can explain that at 3850
3 - genearion
8 - class
50 - sub model
How to hell to explain that three models could be the same Card. They think that I`m trying to make them stupid.
But the 3850 doesn't beat the 4830...
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#40
lilkiduno
TatsumaruNow isnt that Funny.....
My 8800GTS 512 OC now has 3 twin brothers
9800GTX
9800GTX +
GTS 250
i mean yeah the same basic structure, but i guess you can't call your 8800GTS a twin of the 9800GTX+, nor the GTS250. I mean they do have that different PCB and a die srink.

But as i stated it is basiclly the same structure
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#41
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
zitheBut the 3850 doesn't beat the 4830...
He meant to say 4350
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#42
imperialreign
wolfBoth companies do this guys, its not like either of the 2 deserve an extra big frown.
just to clear this up - to the best that I can recall over the last 8-9 years (possibly longer) . . . ATI doesn't rebrand like nVidia does.

If they make a hardware change (such as a die shrink, changing reference PCB layout, different memory, small GPU update, etc.) - they either change the suffix for the "new" card, or release a new series within the series (ex. X1600 - X1650, X1900 - X1950).

ATI, although fairly guilty of still passing off old hardware as something new, at least incoporate some kind of hardware change that does make the new card deserving of being set apart.
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#43
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
example, Radeon 9000-9200.
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#44
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
eidairaman1example, Radeon 9000-9200.
Radeon 9550 - X1050
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#45
DarkMatter
imperialreignjust to clear this up - to the best that I can recall over the last 8-9 years (possibly longer) . . . ATI doesn't rebrand like nVidia does.

If they make a hardware change (such as a die shrink, changing reference PCB layout, different memory, small GPU update, etc.) - they either change the suffix for the "new" card, or release a new series within the series (ex. X1600 - X1650, X1900 - X1950).

ATI, although fairly guilty of still passing off old hardware as something new, at least incoporate some kind of hardware change that does make the new card deserving of being set apart.
You have bad memory.
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#46
zithe
imperialreignjust to clear this up - to the best that I can recall over the last 8-9 years (possibly longer) . . . ATI doesn't rebrand like nVidia does.

If they make a hardware change (such as a die shrink, changing reference PCB layout, different memory, small GPU update, etc.) - they either change the suffix for the "new" card, or release a new series within the series (ex. X1600 - X1650, X1900 - X1950).

ATI, although fairly guilty of still passing off old hardware as something new, at least incoporate some kind of hardware change that does make the new card deserving of being set apart.
2000-3000 series was like a load of 8800gt-9800gt. Lower power consumption, couple new features, but nothing else is better.
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#47
imperialreign
eidairaman1example, Radeon 9000-9200.
not entirelly - 9200 supported faster AGP slots (x4 vs x8), and included the "revised" RV250 GPU (RV280).
DrPepperRadeon 9550 - X1050
different fab process, increased texture fillrate, updated GPU




any other examples? Again - I stand by my arguement that ATI makes minor hardware updates and gives the cards a new series name . . . nVidia *typically* makes no hardware changes - except for the sticker change (and sometimes a new cooler).
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#48
DarkMatter
DrPepperRadeon 9550 - X1050
And that same chip was later x300, x550 and x600 although I think they changed the codename in the case of the x600, although there was nothing new there.
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#49
DarkMatter
imperialreignany other examples? Again - I stand by my arguement that ATI makes minor hardware updates and gives the cards a new series name . . . nVidia *typically* makes no hardware changes - except for the sticker change (and sometimes a new cooler).
Ah I see. Apparently 55nm vs 65nm, Tri-SLI, Hybrid SLI and some minor changes to the shaders to improve power consumption, are not enough changes for you.

Sorry, but you don't have a point there, both are guilty of exactly the same, just Nvidia is doing it now and Ati did it in the past, AND (this is a big one) both companies are much more vocal about their chips than in the past, which means Ati did this A LOT more than Nvidia in the past, but you never got told. Nvidia has been vocal about these rebrands, what a poor strategy, if what you want is to fool customers and you tell them what's going on with the new cards. LOL.
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#50
imperialreign
DarkMatterAnd that same chip was later x300, x550 and x600 although I think they changed the codename in the case of the x600, although there was nothing new there.
same GPUs, yes (or revised), but included hardware changes. X300, X550 and X600 supported GDDR2, whereas the 9550 did not. Memory bandwidth and memory BUS were higher as well (one would reason to believe so, considering the new MEM standard).



Closest "rebrand" on ATI's part that I can think of, is the GPU change through the X1650 and X1650 PRO series. Only hardware change for both series was moving from RV530 to RV535 (only difference was a smaller fab process), no series re-name or suffix was added after the change over. The cards stayed as X1650 and X1650 PRO, respectively.
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