NVIDIA GeForce 4XX Series Discussion

[Athlon2K15]

i dont see where w00ter was trolling really, the whole time you were going back and forth with him so maybe you both should be banned

 

[Mussels]

i dont see where w00ter was trolling really, the whole time you were going back and forth with him so maybe you both should be banned

rule #1 of these forums: dont argue with staff about staff related decisions. Cause we'll always win, waste of time

I'll send you a PM on the rest, as we dont want it clogging up the thread again.

 

[n-ster]

[whatever you said when you quoted my post]

About the comment on the energy, from what is heard, it seems that Fermi will consume MUCH more than ATI's counterparts.

I'll prefer a small performance loss for a much lower consumption. too much heat from the video card hinders the whole system and the reliability on everything. I prefer that my GPU lasts a long time too

it all depends though, on how much power,performance,price differ

 

[W00ter]

Also up to 6GB GDDR5 memory on the commercial Quadro and Tesla cards?
So would that mean tri sli would have 18GB of gpu mem? Holy epic. (if they even have tri sli for those cards)

 

[W00ter]

About the comment on the energy, from what is heard, it seems that Fermi will consume MUCH more than ATI's counterparts.

I'll prefer a small performance loss for a much lower consumption. too much heat from the video card hinders the whole system and the reliability on everything. I prefer that my GPU lasts a long time too

it all depends though, on how much power,performance,price differ

You don't think they'll have more advanced cooling solution by the time fermi comes out? Also if ur going to drop alot of cash on a top of the line card why would you mind paying a little extra on ur power bill?

 

[n-ster]

You don't think they'll have more advanced cooling solution by the time fermi comes out? Also if ur going to drop alot of cash on a top of the line card why would you mind paying a little extra on ur power bill?

Water cooling is already out, does that mean I want to spend 200$ to cool my 200$ GPU? no...

Not just the power bill, a hot GPU means it will last less time, it will hinder your whole system like I said, probably less stability and won't be able to OC as much, might have to upgrade your PSU when you wouldn't with the ATI...

At the end, price/performance would be in ATI's ballpark if Fermi is too hot



oh and don't double post or argue with the staff and especially state what you think of as a work around if you were banned

 

[eidairaman1]

Last edited by davidhammock200 : 11-08-2009 at 09:47 PM.

Ehh?

You are talking about A1 silicon guys. The retail is A3.

And the average 12V rail A ratings have gone up last years. Almost all Enermax designs are >25A and Corsairs and Seasonics don't have any real rail specific limitations although the sticker claims so. 18A is the old way, now it is >20A or the design is obsolete.

where are you getting this data?

I really want to upgrade to a HD 5870 but Fermi needs to get released so prices can drop. Hurry up Jen-Hsun Huang, don't take too long with Fermi, no point in trying to beat out ATI, they got a surprise refresh awaiting Fermi's 1st week release

I like my XFX Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 but I rather not buy another for Crossfire X, instead I just get single HD 5870 with a posibility of a Crossfire X setup later on when prices come down somemore.

it would be nice if Hybrid Crossfire worked as advertised.

The card is already finished. The real problem with it is that it has low yelds and it cannot produce enough. They want to produce as much as possible in order not to make the nvidia enthusiast wait.

What does it matter they have been making the Nvidia fanbase wait way too lond due to pushing fermi back way too far. This launch reminds me so much of the 2900 series but Nvidia isn't going through a merger.

 

[W00ter]

Water cooling is already out, does that mean I want to spend 200$ to cool my 200$ GPU? no...

Not just the power bill, a hot GPU means it will last less time, it will hinder your whole system like I said, probably less stability and won't be able to OC as much, might have to upgrade your PSU when you wouldn't with the ATI...

At the end, price/performance would be in ATI's ballpark if Fermi is too hot



oh and don't double post or argue with the staff and especially state what you think of as a work around if you were banned

I don't understand why you would get a "top model" gpu if you were concerned about, power consumption, heat, and size when most enthusiast are looking for better clocks, higher res, stability, and fps?

Maybe ati will be the better choice for the average joe but if Nvidia ourperforms it and has minor issues to an enthusiast then I will def be going with Nvidia.

 

[eidairaman1]

I don't understand why you would get a "top model" gpu if you were concerned about, power consumption, heat, and size when most enthusiast are looking for better clocks, higher res, stability, and fps?

Maybe ati will be the better choice for the average joe but if Nvidia ourperforms it and has minor issues to an enthusiast then I will def be going with Nvidia.

your choice but a user can wait only so long before a product is Obsolete

Water cooling is already out, does that mean I want to spend 200$ to cool my 200$ GPU? no...

Not just the power bill, a hot GPU means it will last less time, it will hinder your whole system like I said, probably less stability and won't be able to OC as much, might have to upgrade your PSU when you wouldn't with the ATI...

At the end, price/performance would be in ATI's ballpark if Fermi is too hot



oh and don't double post or argue with the staff and especially state what you think of as a work around if you were banned

not to mention when there is a extremely high chance of the water loop failing at the disconnects even when properly installed, and What normal enthusiast would want to take the time to maintain a cooling loop when they don't do it to their vehicle.

About the comment on the energy, from what is heard, it seems that Fermi will consume MUCH more than ATI's counterparts.

I'll prefer a small performance loss for a much lower consumption. too much heat from the video card hinders the whole system and the reliability on everything. I prefer that my GPU lasts a long time too

it all depends though, on how much power,performance,price differ

Hence why a daily driver has the horse power levels it does compared to that of the Super/Drag/Drift/Stock/Lemans/GT Cars

 

[DrPepper]

I don't understand why you would get a "top model" gpu if you were concerned about, power consumption, heat, and size when most enthusiast are looking for better clocks, higher res, stability, and fps?

Just because you don't care doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't care. Power consumption is very important because most of us don't want to buy a new psu because a high end model whore's up 700 watts. (hypothetically)

 

[eidairaman1]

Just because you don't care doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't care. Power consumption is very important because most of us don't want to buy a new psu because a high end model whore's up 700 watts. (hypothetically)

US is already at the limit of the standard outlet, and power companies will not adjust just because a Computer draws way more power than an Oven does.

 

[DrPepper]

US is already at the limit of the standard outlet, and power companies will not adjust just because a Computer draws way more power than an Oven does.

There we go another reason why lower power consumption is important. IDK about britain our power systems are different.

 

[eidairaman1]

well we have max power of 120-125 VAC 60Hz 15A for NEMA 1-15 Type A/B Power Outlets/plugs. UKs are 50Hz (Hence PAL TV standard vs NTSC now ATSC).

I'm sorry but I refuse to try and run a Average Computer off a 240 VAC connector designed for a Oven/Drier. Also computers are supposed to draw less power/produce less heat as they progress in technology it seems video cards are retrograding.

 

[nt300]

Nvidia is threatend by AMD and Intel's CPU/GPU cores coming out soon.
Sounds to me many people are confused about Fermi and what that quack ball of a CEO had planned for the Nuclear Fermi Power Plant

He might have something here, this Fermi card might increase your CPU’s performance by offloading CPU intensive tasks to the GPU instead of the CPU

NVIDIA has seriously bent its will towards turning the next GeForce into something that looks more like a CPU than a GPU. With full C++, OpenCL, C, Fortran and DirectCompute language support, don’t be surprised to see all sorts of programs running on your GPU in the near future.

That said, the decision to announce the company’s newest architecture in the context of stream computing concerns us. This is a company which has positioned all prior GPUs as gaming cards, even though more recent ones have had impressive GPGPU functionality as well.
OPINION! single GF100 Fermi is "67%" faster than existing GTX 285 cards

LINK:
NVIDIA GF100 Fermi Architecture and Performance Preview
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1193/2/

 

[nt300]

Can't wait for Bullet Physics to take its place and replace Nvidias version

 

[Mussels]

well, someone thought that editing his posts after insulting staff members would be ignored. it wasnt.

Good to see this thread back on track again... and some new info.

eidairaman1: 120v * 15A = 1800W

I'm sure thats more than enough for a PC, even with a fermi or two (assuming you arent running too much else of the socket, like a 52" plasma screen...)

 

[eidairaman1]

well, someone thought that editing his posts after insulting staff members would be ignored. it wasnt.

Good to see this thread back on track again... and some new info.

eidairaman1: 120v * 15A = 1800W

I'm sure thats more than enough for a PC, even with a fermi or two (assuming you arent running too much else of the socket, like a 52" plasma screen...)

Mussels that's maximum potential power, which technically you wouldn't want to have several households pushing that all at same time as would overload power grids. Also we have 1200 Watt PSUs which is shy of that max theoretical wattage at the outlet.

Can't wait for Bullet Physics to take its place and replace Nvidias version

huh?

 

[Mussels]

Mussels that's maximum potential power, which technically you wouldn't want to have several households pushing that all at same time as would overload power grids. Also we have 1200 Watt PSUs which is shy of that max theoretical wattage at the outlet.

a house would have far more than 1500W available to the whole house - thats per OUTLET.

probably got 10 times that much power available to the whole house.


Here in Au we get almost twice as much per outlet 240V at 10A, 2400W. We get the odd blackout/brownout in summer when every man and his dog runs his aircon, but thats only in 40C+ heat when the wires melt... in standard weather, it makes no difference.

Is higher power use a bad thing? yes. Is it critical and going to cause power problems like you suggest? hell no, for every person running a fermi, 200 will be running an atom based netbook instead of a pentium 4.

Dont forget that those 1200W PSU's wont be using 1200W all the time either, it'll be up and down like a yoyo, easing the pressure on the socket (and the grid)

 

[eidairaman1]

With the way things are going as of top tier machines requiring bigger and bigger powersupplies we are practically going backwards in time. Also Power production isn't always a clean process either, aka Coal and Nuclear plants have some major flaws that still have yet to be addressed. Btw Mussels is ur power at 50Hz or 60Hz now?

a house would have far more than 1500W available to the whole house - thats per OUTLET.

probably got 10 times that much power available to the whole house.


Here in Au we get almost twice as much per outlet 240V at 10A, 2400W. We get the odd blackout/brownout in summer when every man and his dog runs his aircon, but thats only in 40C+ heat when the wires melt... in standard weather, it makes no difference.

Is higher power use a bad thing? yes. Is it critical and going to cause power problems like you suggest? hell no, for every person running a fermi, 200 will be running an atom based netbook instead of a pentium 4.

Dont forget that those 1200W PSU's wont be using 1200W all the time either, it'll be up and down like a yoyo, easing the pressure on the socket (and the grid)

 

[Mussels]

Au is 50Hz i believe, and always has been. One of the main differences between NTSC and PAL.

 

[eidairaman1]

ya hence why the PAL Sega genesis games appear slower in music/motion compared to NTSC counterparts (Sonic Mainly) Could of just been bad porting or something but who knows.

 

[yogurt_21]

a house would have far more than 1500W available to the whole house - thats per OUTLET.

probably got 10 times that much power available to the whole house.


Here in Au we get almost twice as much per outlet 240V at 10A, 2400W. We get the odd blackout/brownout in summer when every man and his dog runs his aircon, but thats only in 40C+ heat when the wires melt... in standard weather, it makes no difference.

Is higher power use a bad thing? yes. Is it critical and going to cause power problems like you suggest? hell no, for every person running a fermi, 200 will be running an atom based netbook instead of a pentium 4.

Dont forget that those 1200W PSU's wont be using 1200W all the time either, it'll be up and down like a yoyo, easing the pressure on the socket (and the grid)

15 amps would be the circuit so relate that to the outlets of a single bedroom or two. (plus fans in some cases, in others the lighting is on it's own circuit) most will be 20-25amp circuits in newer homes (1990 and newer) in most areas of the house. There will of course be several larger circuits for the kitchen, laundry room, and heating/cooling. All of which must add up to less than 100 amps on older homes and 200amps on newer ones.

all in all it is highly improbable that adding a pc to a circuit would pop it unless you're trying to run a dang server room in your bedroom. sure we buy kilowatt psu's, but that doesn't mean we're using that much. Even if fermi peaks at 300w and you sli it, you're talking 700-800 watts full load. That number will likely flash and be gone and 600w or less will be the average when gaming. a 25 amp circuit has 3000watts to be disbursed. At that rate you could run 4 of those rigs on that circuit plus your plasma.

 

[eidairaman1]

15 amps would be the circuit so relate that to the outlets of a single bedroom or two. (plus fans in some cases, in others the lighting is on it's own circuit) most will be 20-25amp circuits in newer homes (1990 and newer) in most areas of the house. There will of course be several larger circuits for the kitchen, laundry room, and heating/cooling. All of which must add up to less than 100 amps on older homes and 200amps on newer ones.

all in all it is highly improbable that adding a pc to a circuit would pop it unless you're trying to run a dang server room in your bedroom. sure we buy kilowatt psu's, but that doesn't mean we're using that much. Even if fermi peaks at 300w and you sli it, you're talking 700-800 watts full load. That number will likely flash and be gone and 600w or less will be the average when gaming. a 25 amp circuit has 3000watts to be disbursed. At that rate you could run 4 of those rigs on that circuit plus your plasma.

you also have to look at deterioration rates of metals/plastics , I know they are durable but they do break down.

 

[yogurt_21]

you also have to look at deterioration rates of metals/plastics , I know they are durable but they do break down.

no your wires and plugs can likely handle more than the circuit is (in fact it has to handle more to be able to pass code). The bottleneck is the circuit breaker itself. You can always talk to a local electrician, many times 15 amp circuit breakers are put in normal rooms because the builder didn't anticipate that you would need more than that. In these cases there a 50% chance that you can upgrade the circuit breaker and be fine. Since it can go either way, ask a local electrician before trying anything rash.

you know t's sad, I came here to talk about fermi and instead have to resort to electrical talk because there's nothing new about fermi out. sigh.

 

[Mussels]

hey, atl east we're alleviating concerns about fermi blowing your wall sockets out (unless they're 500W+ per card)