Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

[R-T-B]

You can of course always run a WSUS server to decide what you do / don't want. I've been doing it since release. It IS shitty, but it does work.

 

[RejZoR]

Bullshit. I never said security updates should be user selectable. I personally never had issues with them and I always update them as soon as they are ready. It's the non essential stuff and drivers that piss me off. Just because AMD fucked up GPU drivers for E-450 I had to go through nightmarish days of fiddling with retarded drivers just because Windows 10 kept overriding installation of old drivers that worked and installing the broken new ones over them. If this happened on Windows 8.1 I'd have the issue resolved in 5 minutes. Instead it's still all weird even though it seems I've managed to eradicate the problematic driver for good now.

 

[Mussels]

Bullshit. I never said security updates should be user selectable. I personally never had issues with them and I always update them as soon as they are ready. It's the non essential stuff and drivers that piss me off. Just because AMD fucked up GPU drivers for E-450 I had to go through nightmarish days of fiddling with retarded drivers just because Windows 10 kept overriding installation of old drivers that worked and installing the broken new ones over them. If this happened on Windows 8.1 I'd have the issue resolved in 5 minutes. Instead it's still all weird even though it seems I've managed to eradicate the problematic driver for good now.

fortunately you CAN disable the driver stuff seperately to everything else - the stock update page just doesnt have an option for it is all. i've been ok with security updates as well, but at least let me choose a time for the download and install myself.

 

[RejZoR]

I've tried and it doesn't even work. The controls are under System panel (device manager basically) and despite having auto driver updating disabled it just automatically installed those shitty Catalyst 15.7 on my E-450 system.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

It's the non essential stuff and drivers that piss me off.

Drivers are security related. "Non-essential stuff" is opt-in.

fortunately you CAN disable the driver stuff seperately to everything else - the stock update page just doesnt have an option for it is all. i've been ok with security updates as well, but at least let me choose a time for the download and install myself.

Yup, search for "Change Device Insallation Settings," set it to "No, let me choose what to do" and "Never install driver software from Windows Update." I'm running Microsoft HD Audio driver and, since I turned that off, Windows 10 has never tried to reinstall the Realtek driver.

 

[RejZoR]

Graphic drivers most certainly aren't security related on any level.

As for that driver disabling, that crap doesn't work. It was so persistently re-installin that damn broken Catalyst driver I was 2cm away from throwing the god damn laptop with Windows 10 out the window (closed one!). And despite fiddling with the update control tool and forcing Omega driver (14.12) Youtube is still pretty much unplayable even at 720p. On a laptop with dedicated GPU that used to be able to decode even 4K video at slightly lower bitrates on Windows 8.1. It's absolutely absurd.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Graphic drivers most certainly aren't security related on any level.

Their inclusion in UEFI secure boot begs to differ. Example: Nightwatch. There's also this PDF which explores the vulnerabilities of the various display connections:
https://media.blackhat.com/bh-eu-12/Davis/bh-eu-12-Davis-HDMI-WP.pdf

As for that driver disabling, that crap doesn't work. It was so persistently re-installin that damn broken Catalyst driver I was 2cm away from throwing the god damn laptop with Windows 10 out the window (closed one!). And despite fiddling with the update control tool and forcing Omega driver (14.12) Youtube is still pretty much unplayable even at 720p. On a laptop with dedicated GPU that used to be able to decode even 4K video at slightly lower bitrates on Windows 8.1. It's absolutely absurd.

It should work if you disable it then uninstall Catalyst. If you disable before uninstalling Catalyst, most likely it already started working on downloading Catalyst again.

Remember, it's AMD's fault for forgetting about E-450, not Windows fault for installing what AMD tells them to install. I've upgraded probably 10 computers with graphics cards dating back almost a decade and I didn't encounter any problems on any of them. Granted, none were AMD APUs.

 

[RejZoR]

Sure it's AMD's fault, but if Windows weren't so persistently downloading and installing it (because they apparently know it better than me or anyone else), I wouldn't even have a problem. I'd just install Cat 14.12 and be done with it. Like we've done all these god damn years and it worked perfectly fine. I blame it on Microsoft because THEY are the ones raping me with the driver, not AMD.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

You're right. Windows Update is still installing the garbage Realtek driver. Trying to find a solution...

 

[RejZoR]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not good or convenient, it's an absolute pain in the ass because the damn OS just doesn't obeys what you demand from it. It just has its stupid mind of its own.

I mean how bloody hard is it to give user these levels of auto updating:

- Fully automatic (security updates, system updates, all driver updates, misc software)
- Basic updating (security updates, system updates + critical security driver updates)
- Minimal updating (security updates + critical security driver updates)

See how I didn't even list Disabled/Off as an option? But if Windows 10 had such levels of updating control, I'd be absolutely thrilled. In my case, I'd just pick "Basic updating" and be done with it. Instead we need to hack half of the god damn OS and it still doesn't function even close to something describable as "good".

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I found a solution but it isn't simple. I'll create a new thread so it can be stickied/easy to find and post a link here...

 

[Aquinus]

I don't know but, I have zero issues with drivers getting overridden by Windows Update. Both AMD display drivers and Realtek audio drivers.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...it-install-of-specific-windows-update.216367/

I don't know but, I have zero issues with drivers getting overridden by Windows Update. Both AMD display drivers and Realtek audio drivers.

It's only a problem if you have a problem with the driver Windows Update retrieves. It likely updated both of them without your knowledge nor consent.

 

[RejZoR]

Every single driver I've obtained from Windows Update to this date was shit. Only driver that has ever been ok was that ATK driver for motherboards. I guess it doesn't really have a huge function, otherwise I'd see problems for sure.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Of the computers I upgraded to Windows 10, only Realtek's driver not supporting Speaker Fill is the only one I felt compelled to remove.

I'm getting the impression that the computer you tried to put Windows 10 isn't ready for Windows 10 at all.

 

[Aquinus]

It's only a problem if you have a problem with the driver Windows Update retrieves. It likely updated both of them without your knowledge nor consent.

Not since I re-installed Windows 10 several weeks ago. Same versions as what I downloaded, at least for GPU, audio, and RAID drivers.

Of the computers I upgraded to Windows 10, only Realtek's driver not supporting Speaker Fill is the only one I felt compelled to remove.

DTS Connect does the same thing as speaker fill just as well on mine. I'm not sure what's going on with your machine but it's completely different than what I've experienced.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Not since I re-installed Windows 10 several weeks ago. Same versions as what I downloaded, at least for GPU, audio, and RAID drivers.

Even having installed Catalyst 15.7.1, Windows Update quietly reinstalls 15.7.1 (the build number is different). With audio, I don't want Realtek's driver so it always downloads/installs it because it is set up to prefer manufacturer driver over Microsoft generic drivers. I doubt you'd ever have problems with RAID drivers unless the latest version causes problems.

DTS Connect does the same thing as speaker fill just as well on mine. I'm not sure what's going on with your machine but it's completely different than what I've experienced.

Never seen DTS Connect option. It could be ASUS versus MSI. All OEMs customize their own Realtek drivers.

 

[Mussels]

Never seen DTS Connect option. It could be ASUS versus MSI. All OEMs customize their own Realtek drivers.

its the same as dolby live, and designed for optical/coax digital connections. not available on all boards.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Maybe:
Speaker Fill = analog
DTS Connect = digital

My speakers are plugged in via 3 x 3.5mm analog stereo cables.

Comparing Microsoft's generic driver to Realtek's, it's pretty clear Realtek's is a disaster. For example, under Levels, only one shows up and it has "Balance" with the six individual channels under it. Realtek probably has a dozen Levels sliders and some of them have "Balance" on top of that. It's pretty ridiculous.

 

[Aquinus]

Even having installed Catalyst 15.7.1, Windows Update quietly reinstalls 15.7.1 (the build number is different). With audio, I don't want Realtek's driver so it always downloads/installs it because it is set up to prefer manufacturer driver over Microsoft generic drivers. I doubt you'd ever have problems with RAID drivers unless the latest version causes problems.


Never seen DTS Connect option. It could be ASUS versus MSI. All OEMs customize their own Realtek drivers.

I had DTS Connect when I tried both the ASUS provided driver and the Realtek driver off their website. I've never had speaker fill as an option with my P9X79 Deluxe. The platform I was using before it with a Phenom II 940 did though. It could be a codec specific thing, I do have an ACL898 whereas you probably have an ACL1150. I'm sure what features are available are based on the hardware you have, not simply by the driver.

Just wondering for the sake of clarification, you're using the executable installer and not using the device manager directly, right?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Yeah. It should also be noted that the same driver package, depending on what MSI board it is installed on, some had Nahimic support and some didn't. I think the Realtek driver package has to look at the make/model of the motherboard to determine which features will and will not be installed.

Looking it up, your board specifically advertises "DTS Connect" as a part of "ASUS CrystalSound" (towards the bottom of the page): https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P9X79_DELUXE/

Mine specifically advertises Nahimic (one-third down): http://us.msi.com/product/mb/Z170A-GAMING-M7.html#hero-overview

I think Realtek's driver packages are huge because they literally have all the crap for all of the different variations of features each OEM implements. In your case, DTS Connect; in my case, Nahimic.

 

[Mussels]

Yeah. It should also be noted that the same driver package, depending on what MSI board it is installed on, some had Nehimic support and some didn't. I think the Realtek driver package has to look at the make/model of the motherboard to determine which features will and will not be installed.

yes it does. we have a thread here on TPU with modded drivers to unlock those features for all boards. don't think it plays nice with win 8.1/10, but it definitely enabled all the hidden features for people in win7.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Because Speaker Fill doesn't work, I suspect DTS Connect wouldn't work either. They're fundamentally the same--DTS Connect just uses licensed Dolby Digital code.

And again, it is definitely the driver. Speaker Fill works flawlessly in Microsoft's Generic HD Audio driver.

 

[eidairaman1]

Id be making W10 function like W7 gor most part. Pulling Search out of the Start menu to me is a waste of taskbar space lol

@rtwjunkie Sounds like W10 is a piece of <insert approprate 4 letter word> besides all that crappy privacy invading stuff it's got in it.

Guess they'll fix it in the next few months. Whatever.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

You can easily hide it.

Right-click on taskbar -> Search -> Hidden