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Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

Now that W10 is out, are you a W7/W8 refusenik?


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:cry: it is not fixed. Today, it booted with "Show on 1" and I had to manually extend it. :(
I got sick of putting up with this and I tried DisplaySwitch /extend. That didn't work probably because I have two graphics cards appears to only apply to the R9 390. I finally wrote a program using pInvoke to force the display to enable. Right now, it is coded explicitly for my system but I could add in some parameters so anyone can use it. Any interest in such a program?

It would be something like: ExtendDisplay.exe -width 1440 -height 900 -x 1921 -y 150 -refreshrate 60 -bitsperpixel 32 -display 7

If you run it without -display it would show a list of all displays to help you figure out which one to use.


Edit: I polished it up and published it: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/extenddisplays.220218/
 
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ahahahahah

http://www.howtogeek.com/243581/win...grams-without-asking/?utm_content=buffer61c07

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sometimes remove apps from users computers. On my own machine, I found that system information tool Speccy was no longer on my computer. Other users are reporting that apps including CCleaner, HWMonitor, and CPU-Z are also missing after an update." --- From Lifehacker

Yes that happened to some users with first 1511 version back in November. Wonder why they posted that article recently, because latest W10 builds don't have that problem anymore.
 
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My issue with WIN10 is the binding arbitration clause. You can't join a class action suit against MS. You have to go after them yourself. Arbitrators are not required to follow the law. Discovery is limited. Arbitrators are not mediators, they're supposed to find for one side or the other, not make their own decisions ( but they often do). Arbitration can work if the parties are equal participants, like a large corporation, and a large union. The arbitrator knows if he isn't fair he won't be called upon again. However an individual is at a disadvantage because the Arbitrators know they will never see you again, but may look forward to a long and profitable relationship with Microsoft. I'm not a lawyer, this is just my opinion, but I have participated in some arbitrations. So research this yourself and form your own opinion. Thanks.
 
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Now I have another issue with WIN 10. I tried it. Well actually I tried to try it. DSL took 4 hours to download it. Then Windows decided to make a restore point without asking. I use another utility for that that runs outside Windows (very important later). Win 10 said my computer was compatible. The install failed, and my favorite game Grand Prix Legends had disappeared from my computer, who knows what else had been deleted. System restore corrupted my video drivers so I couldn't see the screen to fix it. So I used Rollback Home to restore to a point 2 days earlier. Updated my malware detectors and got on with my life.
 
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i actually tried win 10 but it was so SLOW to boot. Rolled back to win7. Good old win7 !
 
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I still have my HDD with XP on it. I plug it in every now and then. I think I'll install Rollback Reboot. Nothing will ever change then. Restores automatically every start.
 

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i actually tried win 10 but it was so SLOW to boot. Rolled back to win7. Good old win7 !

It is slow, with fast start on, which it is by default. I turned it off. Eventually, it got to starting up quickly as it "learned".
 
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It is slow, with fast start on, which it is by default. I turned it off. Eventually, it got to starting up quickly as it "learned".

Had same issue with the supposed fast startup too, coursing one or more issue's.
 
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It is slow, with fast start on, which it is by default. I turned it off. Eventually, it got to starting up quickly as it "learned".
Yup, I've heard people reported that problem with fast boot and some had problems with superfetch. Some had problems with random hdd activity spikes (btw in W8.1 too) while others said they didn't notice anything. Really strange, it seems that W10 gives really strange results on different machines. In XP/W7 era people didn't have this kind of problems.
 
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It was a problem with dysfunctional vga drivers actually....
 

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Pretty sure Fast Boot ruined my previous SSD. The BIOS booted faster than the SSD and the SSD wasn't found.
 

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I've never seen that occur before...I've used Fast Boot many times with overall great success. HW Fast Boot and many of the vendor variations from GB, MSI, Asus and ASRock, and not had a drive be ruined/damaged from it, so I feel it is more of a configuration issue than a UEFI option killing an SSD, but stranger things have happened.

What I would check in your situation is that the SSD was selected as the OS boot device. Did you have boot security enabled (recommended with Win 8+ and Ubuntu 14+)? I have seen an SSD not be located when another drive is listed as the first boot priority. The OS drive should take the first spot if using Fast Boot, especially when you have all options set to not look or partially look for USB devices, and only use the OS drive. For some reasons some MB's get confused if the OS drive isn't the primary/first boot device and a DVD drive or USB option is set first.

Was it your MX100 in your system specs?
 
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IMO ruined SSDs can be caused by Auto Defragmentation being on. I make sure and turn it off with any SSD install.
 

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IMO ruined SSDs can be caused by Auto Defragmentation being on. I make sure and turn it off with any SSD install.

Actually modern OS are intelligent enough to use the "optimize" feature on SSD's. They will only defragment HDD.
 
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I still need to understand how to fix that crappy poor font rendering in W10... My eyes are starting to bleeeeeed.
 

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IMO ruined SSDs can be caused by Auto Defragmentation being on. I make sure and turn it off with any SSD install.

8, 8.1 and 10 all use TRIM by default on an SSD during the Defrag command, this is common knowledge though. 7 on Pre-SP1, that's a different story! :D
 
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Just remember you're talking to Windows7 Refuseniks here. I guess if something is "common knowledge" that means you don't have to tell anybody when you sell them the SSD. Almost every list of customer reviews of SSDs has several people who's drive died in a week from this.
No I wasn't one of them. I think maybe "common knowledge" means your OS does all your thinking for you.
 

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Just remember you're talking to Windows7 Refuseniks here. I guess if something is "common knowledge" that means you don't have to tell anybody when you sell them the SSD. Almost every list of customer reviews of SSDs has several people who's drive died in a week from this.
No I wasn't one of them. I think maybe "common knowledge" means your OS does all your thinking for you.

Actually according to the title this is for Windows 7/8 refuseniks, with that said, 50% of the target audience referred to doesn't have to worry about the auto-defrag issue since the OS performs TRIM upon a defrag request on SSD's. ;)

I take no pity in folks that can't ask for help or spend a little time researching before upgrading to an SSD. The same goes for BIOS/UEFI flashing, hardware replacement/upgrades, or anything when folks dump money or dig in without taking some time to figure out what the hell they're doing, so they can realize that they can or cannot do it and take the right steps from there. I see it all too frequently on tech forums and on my bench. Keeps my bench tech busy in the end, so it isn't all bad....but for the consumer that is too lazy and exuding ignorance, it sure is. Not that ALL cases are, you'll have the failures and other issues that can cause such failures. There is no argument here though, ignorance is not excusable.

Windows 8 has been handling TRIM right since 2012...4 years now. Plenty of time to be common knowledge in our "gotta have it now" society IMHO.

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When a person is buying their first computer, and maybe due to finances it's an old office machine from Dell or HP it's hard for them to know what questions to ask. That's not laziness or ignorance. It's inexperience. Of course as you stated this benefits you financially, and also helps you deal with your inferiority complex at the same time. Windows 8 was a waste of time. Windows 10 is just to get everyone to agree to an arbitration clause so there won't be any class action lawsuits. I actually buy a lot of parts based on ignoring the advise of people like you. That's why my Dell Dimension E520 from 2006 is running 3.72Ghz Quad core with an R9-285 GPU. Do your customers know that you refer to them as "exuding ignorance". You need to go take a good long look in the mirror my friend.
 

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When a person is buying their first computer, and maybe due to finances it's an old office machine from Dell or HP it's hard for them to know what questions to ask. That's not laziness or ignorance. It's inexperience. Of course as you stated this benefits you financially, and also helps you deal with your inferiority complex at the same time. Windows 8 was a waste of time. Windows 10 is just to get everyone to agree to an arbitration clause so there won't be any class action lawsuits. I actually buy a lot of parts based on ignoring the advise of people like you. That's why my Dell Dimension E520 from 2006 is running 3.72Ghz Quad core with an R9-285 GPU. Do your customers know that you refer to them as "exuding ignorance". You need to go take a good long look in the mirror my friend.

It is ignorance to some degree, you don't go buy a motor bike and just jump on it and think all is well. If you go out blindly buying shit you deserve to get blindly robbed.
 

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When a person is buying their first computer, and maybe due to finances it's an old office machine from Dell or HP it's hard for them to know what questions to ask. That's not laziness or ignorance. It's inexperience. Of course as you stated this benefits you financially, and also helps you deal with your inferiority complex at the same time. Windows 8 was a waste of time. Windows 10 is just to get everyone to agree to an arbitration clause so there won't be any class action lawsuits. I actually buy a lot of parts based on ignoring the advise of people like you. That's why my Dell Dimension E520 from 2006 is running 3.72Ghz Quad core with an R9-285 GPU. Do your customers know that you refer to them as "exuding ignorance". You need to go take a good long look in the mirror my friend.

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No need to make it personal, I wasn't personally attacking you. No need for you to base a whole post on getting defensive and attacking me because you can't handle the answer I provided. Please leave the "getting defensive" BS at the door and either stay on topic constructively or troll elsewhere. :slap:

Feel free to review the definition of ignorant, I provided 3 sources for the sake of consistency:

I'm pretty sure I explained my statements clearly enough, but let's try once more for fun...it IS ignorant if folks own old system like yours, slap an SSD in it, and migrate their OS over and smoke their new toy because they "didn't know any better". That excuse works when you're not an adult and haven't learned to take ownership of a mistake. How is it not ignorant? Who's gonna buy an SSD that doesn't have Internet or help making such a decision? Who doesn't have access to at least calling a local IT company or tech-savvy family member and ask a few questions that they won't be charged for? Let's get real here...

Many people are technologically ignorant...if you worked in the IT field (which exists in its size because folks choose to be ignorant btw...) you would be well aware of that and also know that many folks willingly admit that they are! Many will click on things, add/remove and tinker, and then admit or deny, but anyone worth their salt can see through the BS and get someone to admit when they're at fault. Hell, many admit they just spend money on crap they don't even know if they need! Or thought it would fix things, or saw an ad for, or were tricked into buying, etc... it goes on and on and on. How are those smart, intelligent, appropriate, common sense or not ignorant? There's a reason that there's places like TPU, [H], AnandTech, and beyond...there's a reason there's Google, there's a reason there's always that one kid or dude in the family that's computer savvy, there's a reason there's IT companies on multiple operation business levels.

Windows 8 was a rough start sure, but it did TRIM correctly and has from day one... 8.1 was a solid OS I ran for years without compliant, slapped on Classic Shell and was good-to-go, stable, fast, and supported newer technologies more appropriately...hardly a waste of time and in my experience and number of deployments a clear upgrade from 7. Many folks prefer 7, just like they did XP. Some folks actually got to appriciate Vista SP2, but by then many had moved on or back...was a shame because that was a very damn good version of the OS and still one of the best looking MS OSes ever imho.

10 is solid for me thus far as well, along with the dozens of other deployments I've done. Sure MS made some pretty serious mistakes, but admitting to them was a good move, and thinking that previous OSes weren't already spying on you is laughable at best. Following a long-term OSX-like lifecycle I think is a good idea, but I worry how MS is going to go about it...if I had to revert back to any OS, it will be 8.1 that's for sure. Nothing wrong with 7, but it is getting old in the tooth. I have enjoyed my time with the 10 deployments I use personally and professionally, and hope it keeps trending forward in the future... if not there's always Linux which I also greatly enjoy but isn't any less innocent at grabbing data metrics about what you do without disabling/removing things (looking at you Ubuntu...). Though there's so many other things that watch what we all do, I had a nice, lengthy post about it a few pages ago in this very thread if you're up for a read. Might be helpful, might not, but I invite you to do so.

On the rest of your response to me, if you'd like to have a discussion about professional IT services, customer service, what the meaning of ignorance is, please feel free to PM me, or please feel free to ignore me moving forward. I could care less either way, but not derailing this thread any more than necessary because you got defensive over reality.

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Of course as you stated this benefits you financially, and also helps you deal with your inferiority complex at the same time. Windows 8 was a waste of time. Windows 10 is just to get everyone to agree to an arbitration clause so there won't be any class action lawsuits. I actually buy a lot of parts based on ignoring the advise of people like you.

Dude, why so personal? Why the attitude? If you are going to argue and debate, then you need to learn more about how to do it. A good debater can argue passionately for a point of view that isn't his or her own, without getting personal or seeming angry.

And... @Kursah is a damned good guy. You've pretty much put a good foot forward on a quest to alienate alot of the longstanding members here by taking that attitude. The same people that might provide you assistance or a second opinion in the future.

TPU is a fine community of fairly laid back, mostly polite people. They don't have to be loud, obnoxious or insulting like so many other forums, because their knowledge and experience speaks for itself.
 

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I am going to leave some "questionable" comments up for reference unless the poster decides to edit them.
 
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