Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

rtwjunkie · Mar 10, 2016

Just a word of warning...I wish I could put out a word of warning to non-forum people...MS is up to it's old tricks again. This is the third month in a row that MS has put out an "OPTIONAL" update that is already ticked to upgrade to W10. This is even without ANY GWX app running and all previous sneeky attempts by M$ marked as hidden. It was waiting for me today, even though I already downloaded updates on Patch Tuesday.

Now, just so you know, I have a purchased copy of W10 Pro right here on my desk. I fully intend to install it fresh within the month. So why am I concerned? I'll tell you.

I will move to W10, on my own, because I CHOOSE TO, not because M$ tells me to. What they are doing will, sadly, ensnare a lot more people who have no desire to upgrade, didn't ask to upgrade, and have their updates on automatic, like M$ tells them to. This is wrong.

I apologize, I did not look up the KB number issued today, in my haste to UNtick the update and hide it.

Just thought I'd provide a heads up for everyone, as a Public Service Announcement.

:lovetpu:

qubit · Mar 10, 2016

@rtwjunkie MS are setting themselves up to get sued and rightly so. This is very underhanded and wrong.

They must be getting really desperate.

rtwjunkie · Mar 10, 2016

qubit said:
@rtwjunkie MS are setting themselves up to get sued and rightly so. This is very underhanded and wrong.

They must be getting really desperate.

Yeah, I wish somebody would. Lucky for me my updates are on auto check, but let me decide what to manually install.

I did make sure to download the windows Updater for W10 from the shady website that Mussels recommended. I'll be sure to try that out in the test system already in the house.

AsRock · Mar 10, 2016

rtwjunkie said:
Just a word of warning...I wish I could put out a word of warning to non-forum people...MS is up to it's old tricks again. This is the third month in a row that MS has put out an "OPTIONAL" update that is already ticked to upgrade to W10. This is even without ANY GWX app running and all previous sneeky attempts by M$ marked as hidden. It was waiting for me today, even though I already downloaded updates on Patch Tuesday.

Now, just so you know, I have a purchased copy of W10 Pro right here on my desk. I fully intend to install it fresh within the month. So why am I concerned? I'll tell you.

I will move to W10, on my own, because I CHOOSE TO, not because M$ tells me to. What they are doing will, sadly, ensnare a lot more people who have no desire to upgrade, didn't ask to upgrade, and have their updates on automatic, like M$ tells them to. This is wrong.

I apologize, I did not look up the KB number issued today, in my haste to UNtick the update and hide it.

Just thought I'd provide a heads up for everyone, as a Public Service Announcement.

Yeah they doing some shit that for sure, i installed windows 7 on the other system activated it and installed win10 on it and had some candy crush game advertising king.com, and uninstalling it tried to contact king.com which failed totally lol.

Ahhzz · Mar 11, 2016

One of my clients got hit today, no way to say "Later" or "Cancel", and now she's on 10... and not amused....

FordGT90Concept · Mar 11, 2016

My uncle called me two days ago saying his computer is going to upgrade to Windows 10 at 11PM that night. I convinced him to just let it happen and downgrade if he can't stand it. At bare minimum, he'll get his copy of Windows 10 reserved in the process.

Fourstaff · Mar 11, 2016

FordGT90Concept said:
My uncle called me two days ago saying his computer is going to upgrade to Windows 10 at 11PM that night. I convinced him to just let it happen and downgrade if he can't stand it. At bare minimum, he'll get his copy of Windows 10 reserved in the process.

Not much difference between 7 and 10 unless you are looking inside the hood.

FordGT90Concept · Mar 11, 2016

Yeah, I told him that. It can be a pain to find buried settings because it was touchized but, for the most part, it should work. My (his) biggest concern is he runs some older programs (like...really old). I told him if it works on Windows 7, it should work on Windows 10 too. I hope that proved true.

Tatty_Two · Mar 11, 2016

Still on 7, still have auto updates turned off, surprisingly still happy, I can't miss what I never had but I can appreciate what I've already got, my excuse is laziness and contentment, not a good advertisement for a tech site so as always, I am full to the brim with apologies!

Ahhzz · Mar 11, 2016

On a Win10 note, I like the new Snipping tool (provides a delay, and more importantly, an email option). Anyone seen a way to move the app to a Win7 box?

Tatty_One said:
Still on 7, still have auto updates turned off, surprisingly still happy, I can't miss what I never had but I can appreciate what I've already got, my excuse is laziness and contentment, not a good advertisement for a tech site so as always, I am full to the brim with apologies!

Oh crap!!!! We've got one that's content!!! Call out the fanbois and prove how much better 10 is!!

Bow · Mar 11, 2016

Liquid Cool · Mar 11, 2016

Admins beware: Domain-attached PCs are sprouting Get Windows 10 ads

Is there no end to their arrogance? I personally don't believe so and to me...it's quite scary.

Best,

Liquid Cool

qubit · Mar 11, 2016

Tatty_One said:
Still on 7, still have auto updates turned off, surprisingly still happy, I can't miss what I never had but I can appreciate what I've already got, my excuse is laziness and contentment, not a good advertisement for a tech site so as always, I am full to the brim with apologies!

Even though you don't want W10 right now, at some point staying on W7 or W8 will become increasingly untenable. Hence, I strongly recommend imaging your current W7 install onto a spare HDD, upgrading to W10 on the spare HDD and activating it, then continuing to use your original W7. This way, you can install W10 on your original HDD whenever you feel like it after the free period has expired and it will activate, saving you spending £100 on a copy. I recommend keeping that activated copy too, just in case you have activation issues with that copy on the original HDD.

Drone · Mar 11, 2016

registry hack for w7/8 users who don't want to upgrade:

win + r -> regedit -> ok ->

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows

create WindowsUpdate key on the left-hand side
create a new 32-bit DWORD called DisableOSUpgrade on the right-hand side, and give it a value of 1

rtwjunkie · Mar 11, 2016

Liquid Cool said:
Admins beware: Domain-attached PCs are sprouting Get Windows 10 ads

Is there no end to their arrogance? I personally don't believe so and to me...it's quite scary.

Best,

Liquid Cool

That was a good find. Just another example of the arrogance and used car sales tactics of M$.

I apologize if I unintentionally insulted any reputable used car dealers.

Tatty_Two · Mar 11, 2016

qubit said:
Even though you don't want W10 right now, at some point staying on W7 or W8 will become increasingly untenable. Hence, I strongly recommend imaging your current W7 install onto a spare HDD, upgrading to W10 on the spare HDD and activating it, then continuing to use your original W7. This way, you can install W10 on your original HDD whenever you feel like it after the free period has expired and it will activate, saving you spending £100 on a copy. I recommend keeping that activated copy too, just in case you have activation issues with that copy on the original HDD.

Thanks, when W7 becomes in effect obsolete, I will upgrade to W8, when that is gone I will upgrade to an Android tablet and play candy crush all day in retirement

Ahhzz · Mar 11, 2016

hahahahahah

Octopuss · Mar 11, 2016

I can see myself upgrading when Microsoft is happy with the market share and doesn't release "updates" that mush the damn thing in my face anymore, making me rummage through individual updates' details every week/month, which in turn makes me want to strangle someone and throw him in a pit. Oh and when it's a bit more certain what is the damn system doing in the background.
I am neither hysterical "big brother watching you" paranoid imbecile nor "oh fuckit, ain't got nothing to hide anyway". I think I am somewhere inbetween. I don't think it's really too bad (especially since I don't live in America) as people like to put it, but I like to have some control out of general principle.
I guess I'll consider upgrading in like a year.

qubit · Mar 11, 2016

rtwjunkie said:
That was a good find. Just another example of the arrogance and used car sales tactics of M$.

I apologize if I unintentionally insulted any reputable used car dealers.

There are reputable used car dealers? :twitch:

Tatty_One said:
Thanks, when W7 becomes in effect obsolete, I will upgrade to W8, when that is gone I will upgrade to an Android tablet and play candy crush all day in retirement

Quality sidestep there, T. MS are gonna hate you. :cool:

Frick · Mar 18, 2016

So I have Windows 10 on the laptop in sig, and my initial feeling is ... kinda sluggish actually, for having an SSD. Definitely not as snappy as Windows 7, and that is with nothing going on in the background. There's a tiny bit of lag to some things. And I made a shortcut folder thing (whatever you call them in english) in the task bar and the items in it have no icons, just a default document icon. Or rather, they do get their proper icons when I click them but then they revert to the document icon. Currently I'm syncing about 12 years of email to the mail app, which I BTW like a whole lot. All my accounts (well not really but close) in one place and it actually works fine without having to mess around with different files and thing being supremely annoying (Outlook, I'm looking at you you smug son of a bitch). Windows Live Mail did it faster, but I'm sure I'll get there eventually.

EDIT: Happy to report that Mouse Without Borders interacts with Windows 7.

BTW, I did the upgrade, not a clean install.

EDIT again: The Wordpress app cost money.

Octopuss · Mar 19, 2016

http://www.zdnet.com/article/micros...t-off-date-from-2017-to-2018/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
Looks like I might remain a refusenik a bit longer

P4-630 · Mar 19, 2016

I just recently installed windows 8.1 on my new skylake build

I'm pretty happy with it, no windows 10 for me yet.

rtwjunkie · Mar 19, 2016

Octopuss said:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/micros...t-off-date-from-2017-to-2018/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
Looks like I might remain a refusenik a bit longer

I would have to attribute this "softening" to the less-than-they-hoped-for migration to W10. And this, despite their sneaky and underhanded tactics to "force" unsuspecting people onto W10.

64K · Mar 19, 2016

MS makes bold statements and backs down when they are called out on their shit. Hell, Windows 7 (a 2009 Windows OS release) is still for sale eight months after Win 10 was released. There are reasons for that. They said that Xbox One would be online only and would only be sold with Kinect. Backed down on both after console gamers backlash and PS4 sales kicking Xbox One to the curb.

When DX12 adoption is significant with developers I will put Win 10 in on my gaming rig but not until then.

rtwjunkie · Mar 27, 2016

Ok, making the preparations now. My main rig should be on W10 by later this afternoon. I'm keeping my old SSD with the 8.1 install in case I need to go back.

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Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

Now that W10 is out, are you a W7/W8 refusenik?

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Wait and see how W10 develops over the next few months

Gotta try it out a bit more

Depends on how good DX12 is and the support it gets

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