AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[the54thvoid]

That thick Scottish accent got really hard to listen to after about 3-4 minutes in, so I gave up.

Dude - I'm Scottish and I can't listen to that noise. That's a fabricated or very traveled accent. He has told me in the past it's due to traveling around a lot. But still, I'm 43, work with the public and I don't hear Scottish accents like that ever. Plus, I don't see why we default to YouTube bloggers instead of tech journalists.

 

[RejZoR]

This is also worth watching. Basically it explains what I've been going on about for a while now. Throw all the comparisons and 5fps differences out the window and just observe the thing as individual CPU. Can it run games really well? If the answer is yes, does it even matter then?

 

[alucasa]

I don't know, man. This thread reeks of desperation and fanboyism.

I think I will echo what I said in another thread.

Ryzen is a good Uarch but its platform needs time to mature.

 

[Kanan]

Dude - I'm Scottish and I can't listen to that noise. That's a fabricated or very traveled accent. He has told me in the past it's due to traveling around a lot. But still, I'm 43, work with the public and I don't hear Scottish accents like that ever. Plus, I don't see why we default to YouTube bloggers instead of tech journalists.

First of all thanks for the insight regarding his language. I don't see the problem, we don't "default" to anything here, it's just another opinion on the matter I though worth sharing. Again, no one has to digest any information on the internet, whether he being a completionist or not.

I don't know, man. This thread reeks of desperation and fanboyism.

I think I will echo what I said in another thread.

Ryzen is a good Uarch but its platform needs time to mature.

It is not for you then, I though I made myself clear enough about that. You don't have to like everything that is out there. I'm not a fanboy, and Adored isn't either - he was overly critsizing AMD a while ago and calling "Doomsday" for them, does a fanboy do things like that? I guess not.

 

[alucasa]

Youtubers have to do what his audiance wants to hear. That's all that is. They do whatever they can grab attention. He overly criticized to get attention. He is doing this now to more attention.

He's just giving his target audience what they wanna hear.

 

[the54thvoid]

First of all thanks for the insight regarding his language. I don't see the problem, we don't "default" to anything here, it's just another opinion on the matter I though worth sharing. Again, no one has to digest any information on the internet, whether he being a completionist or not.

I understand what you are saying but YT (and the net in general) has given a voice to every man and his dog and the reason the Vloggers and YT'ers exist is to make money from advertising hits. The biggest issue is that people will trawl the web looking for what supports their viewpoint and if you look hard enough you will finds some form of shadowy evidence to back up any hair brained theory.

@alucasa gets it - shout about what people find contentious and you shall be listened to.

FWIW, Techspot do a good mass gaming review at 1080p and 1400p. Nothing wrong with Ryzen per se - just an immature, 'bug' ridden early release. And by bug we mean - odd, unexplained performance deficits and board/BIOS issues.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1348-amd-ryzen-gaming-performance/

 

[Kanan]

Youtubers have to do what his audiance wants to hear. That's all that is. They do whatever they can grab attention. He overly criticized to get attention. He is doing this now to more attention.

He's just giving his target audience what they wanna hear.

That's not entirely true. To some degree he is doing what others are interested in but he isn't bending himself to do this. For example, when he called "doomsday" for AMD a lot of people were NOT liking this and thought he's depressive or so. Your opinion on youtubers generally is very negative, I have to say you're generally more wrong with this than right, it also depends on the person, not every guy out there is the same, you can't generalize this.

I'm a youtube too btw, I'm just doing gaming videos, do I bend myself - a bit, but I'm not doing things I don't like or I'm not supporting.

I understand what you are saying but YT (and the net in general) has given a voice to every man and his dog and the reason the Vloggers and YT'ers exist is to make money from advertising hits. The biggest issue is that people will trawl the web looking for what supports their viewpoint and if you look hard enough you will finds some form of shadowy evidence to back up any hair brained theory.

The whole world is about making money, if you have a problem with that, open a thread about capitalism and go into critisizing it.

 

[alucasa]

Not every guy out there is the same. Very true.

But, in eyes, he is unfortunately.

 

[Kanan]

Not every guy out there is the same. Very true.

But, in eyes, he is unfortunately.

That's just your opinion and nothing more. Please leave my thread I don't want any of this offtopic anymore. Thanks.

This is about Ryzen and CPUs, maybe AMD and that stuff, not about Youtube, politics and shit.

 

[Tatty_Two]

ZoneDymo
Well Trump made a statement, if there was a transcript I don't think it would show a question mark after it, your right about my last comment but you see I am not making assumptions and whilst you may well be right in yours the nature and tone of his posts suggest he is entitled to his "opinion" even if that was his intent and a number of members think it's flawed. If you are suggesting that opinion should only be based on hard facts then actually it's not opinion.

Definition:

"a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge"
As a rule of thumb you are of course right, many threads do get closed because often they descend into crap, however not all of them as many of you manage to refute without the madness and that in itself can inform passers by, I think even closed threads are available with a google search.

There is even a lifelong AMD enthusiast who has built and tested a Ryzen system in these forums that is critical of some things.

 

[alucasa]

We are talking about Ryzen CPU, no?

It was thee who brought Youtube into this.

 

[Kanan]

We are talking about Ryzen CPU, no?

It was thee who brought Youtube into this.

It's absolutely not important who he is and what media he is using to spread his opinion, stay on topic or I'll ask a mod to delete it. This isn't about politics and whether youtube is good or not.

Talk about the CPU/PC stuff or leave.

 

[erocker]

I think we need a "Ryzen discussion thread". All of these threads devolve/evolve into the same discussion.

 

[alucasa]

It's absolutely not important who he is and what media he is using to spread his opinion, stay on topic or I'll ask a mod to delete it. This isn't about politics and whether youtube is good or not.

Talk about the CPU/PC stuff or leave.

I would have respected your own opinion. Your own views on Ryzen.

Instead, you brought on some Youtube video and you say you agree 99%. Sorry, pal, if I was offensive. But, really, I would have liked your own view instead of someone else's.

Very well, I will leave this thread. My aplogies for the grief I've caused you.

 

[erocker]

Merging redundant Ryzen threads into this thread. If or once a Ryzen review happens, discussion can move to that. Use this thread for Ryzen discussion.

Thanks.

 

[RejZoR]

People can call AdoredTV guy an AMD fanboy, but he does raise good points most of the time. I don't see anything wrong by being optimistic or more involved with one camp. I used to be Radeon "camper" for years now. And now I'm on GTX 980. And I look back and still admire R9 Fury X card. I also admire GTX 1080Ti's raw performance. And I'm looking forward to RX Vega with great optimism.

 

[Kanan]

I would have respected your own opinion. Your own views on Ryzen.

Instead, you brought on some Youtube video and you say you agree 99%. Sorry, pal, if I was offensive. But, really, I would have liked your own view instead of someone else's.

Very well, I will leave this thread. My aplogies for the grief I've caused you.

No problem. My opinion (in part stated before) on Ryzen is: it's nice, it's not really finished yet (Ryzen II will probably be better, fixed CCX caching and maybe better latency) and it still needs some time because the software isn't yet there to fully support Ryzen, nor are Bioses entirely finished. That said, i'd still easily buy a Ryzen over a 7700K or a 6800K and take the chance. I had some AMD processors in the past, and they ran well, I expect Ryzen to be more of the same kind that Athlon TB/64 and Phenom II were, so this is part of why I'm optimistic. The other thing is, the data clearly points towards Ryzen being not yet 100% utilized (whether it's 4 core usage or 8) and I expect it to be better over time, I'm pretty sure developers are working on fixing this. Doom is a good example on how good Ryzen can be if it's used properly, I guess it's maybe the only game thats 100% working with Ryzen, I don't even think BF1 is there yet.

edit: I see, the thread is now merged with another one. Fair enough.

 

[v12dock]

AMD managed to create a product that is very competitive against a company that has 12x its R&D budget. I don't see the point of shitting on them when they are doing an extraordinary levering its resources. Imagine what they could do if they actually had money.

 

[RejZoR]

Thats how you and me think. The others continue to shit on AMD for having memory issues on freaking release day pretty much and because it doesn't "overclock". Seriously?

Sure, it's important to raise the issues, warn the users and get the issues resolved asap. That's the more important element of review sites for me. But the bashing crusades some are going about Ryzen are just absurd.

 

[the54thvoid]

Thats how you and me think. The others continue to shit on AMD for having memory issues on freaking release day pretty much and because it doesn't "overclock". Seriously?

Sure, it's important to raise the issues, warn the users and get the issues resolved asap. That's the more important element of review sites for me. But the bashing crusades some are going about Ryzen are just absurd.

Some of those 'bashing' Ryzen have bought them or reviewed them. They are stating their issues with the platform and that platform by definition is hinged on the core item, the CPU. And they are not bashing - they are stating experience with the chip and the platform. I don't understand why you take great exception to that 'imperial' metric. Their arguments are not anecdotal, they are based on physical evidence gained by reviewing said chip (@EarthDog & @cdawall are prime examples). Neither are slating it - they are highlighting it's current flaws. If i buy a 1800X (because I'm a total fanny and will buy the most expensive one that I don't need) and BIOS updates don't address caching and games don't improve at least folk can say I was warned about it. I would rather people highlight it's minor flaws so my experience isn't unicorns and rainbows being slaughtered by Windows 10 on a reality trip.

As for overclocking - YES - that's a thing FFS. Tech forum. What did Lisa Su say? Oh yes - they are all unlocked, hinting at how they would be available to overclock. In fairness, all cores at 4.1Ghz would be okay (matches Haswell/Broadwell-E). But, the chips are soldered to the heatspreader so 'everything' has been done to make it clock better so they are at limits.

And if you read the reviews, nobody is bashing Ryzen. Forum members are slightly disillusioned with the gaming benchmarks (I am) but all in all, nobody is disputing this is a good attempt. The single greatest effect Ryzen has had will be seen when Intel releases Skylake-E. How it will price it and how it will market it. Then we know if Ryzen is a success.

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

I really do think a lot of the issues are from the Motherboard manufacturers. I also understand why. Try to look at this in a financial light. Intel has how big of a market share? Try 80%. So if you are a mobo manufacturer how many resources are you going to allocate to a product that will undoubtedly ship far fewer motherboards? What ever the number is the end result is - Not as much. AMD Could have incentivized this more, then again AMD was nearly broke.

With the Price/Performance ratio AMD is now offering there will be a good increase in Market share and when that happens Mobo Manufactures will willing increase resources. This will happen because if they do not negative reviews will flood the internet and that will equate to loss even on their intel platforms. They will also be missing out on revenue from AMD socket mobos. So just give it some time.

 

[RejZoR]

^^ This exactly. While vendors had some insight on performance before for sure, they were taking it with huge reserve. And this shows in quality. If they dedicated same amount of resources to it as they do for Intel offerings, I bet you all that there would be way less issues. I mean, AMD didn't give vendors any reason for new boards for what, 5+ years? I bet most vendors were like, we'll make boards just because we have to, but whatever...

 

[Filip Georgievski]

Wow so much nonsence in this thread, totally inappropriate.
Fact of the matter is Intel fanboys, if i may call them that, should be greatfull at this since Intel are lowering prices? Why? Because they are aware of Rysen's potential and how it may impact their market.
AMD was always considered second tier brand, and now that they came neck to neck with Intel means AMD MEANS BUSINESS.
What to say of Intel's outdated Core Architecture? Most people arent spelling their kidneys to buy the latest and best of Intel just to get 4% improvement for the same price as last generation.
Ill give an example:
My I5 750 oced to 3.8ghz scored 75% on CPUZ Single Thread Bench when compared to 7700k.
Now take 100% - 75% = 25% from first Core I to last Core I.
Now devide 25% by 7 generations of Intel CPUs and you get 4.747638 (something) improvement from gen to gen.
Is it justifiable to buy gen for gen just to get non-noticable improvement over previous gen?
A smart man wont, i can tell you that.
No wonder im not waisting money on newest, no real improvement.

 

[EarthDog]

Now take 100% - 75% = 25% from first Core I to last Core I.

I have no idea what in God's name you measured. But there is ~25% increase in IPC from SB to Haswell. Outside of that, the 6700K/7700K are clocked higher stock, by 200 and 400 Mhz respectively, than your CPU is overclocked. And let's not forget the 6700K is good to 4.8+ while the 7700K is good to 5Ghz, further putting distance between your CPU. That also isn't counting the IPC increases from your Lynfield to SB.

Is it justifiable to buy gen for gen just to get non-noticable improvement over previous gen?

Nope.. but nobody here has suggested to do so outside of you. In fact, this is a commonly held thought, even among Intel users... useless point is useless.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Despite generally glowing reviews, not everyone is happy with Ryzen. Hal B. wrote this review on Newegg's 1700X page;

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Another Bulldozer flop.


Pros: What pros? If I could return it for a refund would have been a pro.

Cons: Horrible overclocking ability, 95w TDP is idle not load. Only supports low speed DDR 4 ram and only two of the four slots on all motherboards are working. I could go on and on how bad this cpu really is but that would take more than 5000 letters.

Other Thoughts: AMD had 5 years to get this right and they blew it. Why have such a high end cpu only support dual channel and not even fully support all of the memory slots. The motherboard manufacturers all got the same data from AMD.
I doubt this is going to get resolved and we are stuck with bad cpu's that we cannot return for a refund.
Developers are not going to go out of their way to take the extra expense to write code to support this CPU. A few that AMD pays to do it maybe. I had to buy another motherboard from a local store so I had one ready to test since the one I ordered from Newegg won't be here until March 6th or 7th. Updated the latest bios and still only 2 memory slots are working correctly. I should have known better due to AMD's reputation "The Yugo of computer platforms". This cpu line should have been the iteration of Piledriver and code named Pileofcrap. At least I can make a file server out of it since I can't return it. Does not even deserve one egg to be honest but I can't post without an egg, so AMD gets one undeserved egg.

If this is real, Ryzen is looking more like the typical AMD CPU release; (disappointing). Perhaps this is a rare problem, but others have mentioned RAM problems (systems will only POST at low frequencies/loose timings). Also, overclocking on Ryzen seems to be limited to 4.1-4.2 (air/water) and requires high Vcore for even that.
I'm sure these will be useful to content creators, video editors, etc, who need many threads, but gamers/overclockers/enthusiasts will do better to stay with Intel...

Balls to starting a discussion with a trolling tone

Merging redundant Ryzen threads into this thread. If or once a Ryzen review happens, discussion can move to that. Use this thread for Ryzen discussion.

Thanks.

Why did you merge into this bait nightmare bro a new one with an unbiased start might go the same way but casual passers by now read that purely negative crap and likely move on leaving the biased to lament.