AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[Hood]

Hence I used the word "hinting".
Its honestly a pretty basic technique to plant an idea, but in the end and with the "proof" provided its deliberately (or not) misleading.
Not much different from the much used Fox News technique of saying "some people say" instead of "I think" because when you say "some people say" it suddenly seems like a common consensus and so it seems true/have backing when its just all a load of nothing.

Obama wiretapped Trump?
Nvidia spying on AMD again?
Ford killing millions?
America responsible for terrible suffering in China?
Is TPU being paid by AMD for favored reviews?

"what? Im just asking questions, its perfectly innocent"

Hell this can often also lead to carreers ending, the mere idea/hint that someone might be for example a child molester, even though they are cleared well and truly can and has completely ended people.

But hey, if TPU is fine with this, so be it, if the forums will devolve into more of this nonsense because of this pass given, so be it.


lastly, with you end sentence you are basically agreeing its just clickbait, making the story seem far more interesting then it is purely to get reactions that the story by all accounts does not deserve.
Thats exactly what clickbait is (for).

Well, this "clickbait" generated 123 responses so far, mostly from people who are actually interested in Ryzen's success - some , however, tried to degenerate this thread into a political rant or a criticism of posting tactics, and to those people, I advise, stay on topic, preserve the quality of TPU, and post your rants in your own thread, so they can be properly ignored. For now, Super Moderator erocker had merged all redundant Ryzen threads into this one (see posts 113, 115), until TPU publishes it's Ryzen review. Thanks to all members who contributed facts or opinions that were relevant to the topic. Intelligent discussion is what this site is here for, weeding through all the marketing BS, common misconceptions, and misinformation, so we can all make good decisions when purchasing hardware.

 

[OneCool]

Ryzen,Intel,1080p,L3,SMT,Cinebench,memory, latency!!!!



BOOM!!!!! Take that Ryzen thread!!!!!!! Truth bomb hurts don't it!!!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Well, this "clickbait" generated 123 responses so far, mostly from people who are actually interested in Ryzen's success - some , however, tried to degenerate this thread into a political rant or a criticism of posting tactics, and to those people, I advise, stay on topic, preserve the quality of TPU, and post your rants in your own thread, so they can be properly ignored. For now, Super Moderator erocker had merged all redundant Ryzen threads into this one (see posts 113, 115), until TPU publishes it's Ryzen review. Thanks to all members who contributed facts or opinions that were relevant to the topic. Intelligent discussion is what this site is here for, weeding through all the marketing BS, common misconceptions, and misinformation, so we can all make good decisions when purchasing hardware.

Are you having a laugh , you started the thread with a hugely negative bias not balanced so it is what it is but I'm out.

 

[Kanan]

Well, this "clickbait" generated 123 responses so far, mostly from people who are actually interested in Ryzen's success - some , however, tried to degenerate this thread into a political rant or a criticism of posting tactics, and to those people, I advise, stay on topic, preserve the quality of TPU, and post your rants in your own thread, so they can be properly ignored. For now, Super Moderator erocker had merged all redundant Ryzen threads into this one (see posts 113, 115), until TPU publishes it's Ryzen review. Thanks to all members who contributed facts or opinions that were relevant to the topic. Intelligent discussion is what this site is here for, weeding through all the marketing BS, common misconceptions, and misinformation, so we can all make good decisions when purchasing hardware.

A lot of what you say is redundant, but not my thread, trash talker.

I'm out here as well, I think my thread had a more positive feeling to it than this shit.

BTW get your head out of his ass.

 

[Filip Georgievski]

I have no idea what in God's name you measured. But there is ~25% increase in IPC from SB to Haswell. Outside of that, the 6700K/7700K are clocked higher stock, by 200 and 400 Mhz respectively, than your CPU is overclocked. And let's not forget the 6700K is good to 4.8+ while the 7700K is good to 5Ghz, further putting distance between your CPU. That also isn't counting the IPC increases from your Lynfield to SB.

Nope.. but nobody here has suggested to do so outside of you. In fact, this is a commonly held thought, even among Intel users... useless point is useless.

But remember my CPU is an I5 not an I7.
Now if we were to put the I7 875K and OC it will close down that gap again to around 25% again, making your claim invalid.

So all in all, Intel's gen to gen IPC improvement is just under 5%.
Now AMD has a real IPC improvement over last gen over maybe 25% real, and still people complain about AMDs lack of performance.
Now that to me is an improvement.

Word of advice, techies, give AMD a chance, they deserve it.

 

[erocker]

Balls to starting a discussion with a trolling tone

Why did you merge into this bait nightmare bro a new one with an unbiased start might go the same way but casual passers by now read that purely negative crap and likely move on leaving the biased to lament.

Because it's all nightmare bait to someone or another. Just so happened his thread was made first so it went to the top.

 

[EarthDog]

But remember my CPU is an I5 not an I7.
Now if we were to put the I7 875K and OC it will close down that gap again to around 25% again, making your claim invalid.

So all in all, Intel's gen to gen IPC improvement is just under 5%.
Now AMD has a real IPC improvement over last gen over maybe 25% real, and still people complain about AMDs lack of performance.
Now that to me is an improvement.

Word of advice, techies, give AMD a chance, they deserve it.

Remember you tested/said SINGLE thread....

My I5 750 oced to 3.8ghz scored 75% on CPUZ Single Thread Bench when compared to 7700k.

....so the number of threads has absolutely no relevance on your statement. None. Zilch. Nada. ZippO.

What was your single thread score on that 3.8 GHz Lynfield again???

 

[Ethair]

Actually, it's more like 60-65%, according to cpu-z integrated benchmark, 1.78.3
(i5 750@4Ghz/i7 7700k stock) single and multi-thread score. (ST:1500pts/2300pts MT: 5500pts/10000pts)
although they are not in the same price range.

but I agree with the man, until recently, there's been nothing of interest, if we are talking value for money.

an i3 6100 OC maybe..., a pentium g4560 is quite great, but you wouldn't change for any of them, except the platform itself.

Ryzen is not so great for games?
If you put a ~180$ i5 750 OC against a ~180$ i5 6500 from today, together with a gtx 1070,
it scores exactly the same in the uningine valley benchmark for example.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/unigine-valley-benchmark-scores.183712/
min FPS 35/average 90, max 170-180
why would I change?

so ya, 7600k or a r5 1600x more all-around chip? it's getting more interesting.

by the way; selling K and non-K chips with bad thermal paste, it must be a joke.

 

[EarthDog]

Valley isn't a game where cpu can matter, though. It also depends on settings etc. There are plenty of benchmarks of games showing fps disparity between cpus.

 

[cdawall]

Because it's all nightmare bait to someone or another. Just so happened his thread was made first so it went to the top.

I am surprised you didn't just close this and leave the bait free thread I had started open...

 

[BiggieShady]

I am surprised you didn't just close this and leave the bait free thread I had started open...

I am surprised that from all RyZen discussion threads this one gets to be official ...

 

[Hood]

Also of interest - AMD shareholders, such as Mubadala Development Corporation (owner of Glabal Foundries), and half a dozen AMD executives, sold off large blocks of stock the day after Ryzen was released. (the high was $13.35/share - it's now around $13.05/share). This doesn't show much faith in Ryzen's market potential...

 

[Tatty_Two]

Also of interest - AMD shareholders, such as Mubadala Development Corporation (owner of Glabal Foundries), and half a dozen AMD executives, sold off large blocks of stock the day after Ryzen was released. (the high was $13.35/share - it's now around $13.05/share). This doesn't show much faith in Ryzen's market potential...

Yes but the stocks have increased quite well recently, it's not unusual for some investors to cash in, not saying you are wrong...... just sayin.

 

[ZoneDymo]

ZoneDymo
Well Trump made a statement, if there was a transcript I don't think it would show a question mark after it, your right about my last comment but you see I am not making assumptions and whilst you may well be right in yours the nature and tone of his posts suggest he is entitled to his "opinion" even if that was his intent and a number of members think it's flawed. If you are suggesting that opinion should only be based on hard facts then actually it's not opinion.

Definition:

"a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge"
As a rule of thumb you are of course right, many threads do get closed because often they descend into crap, however not all of them as many of you manage to refute without the madness and that in itself can inform passers by, I think even closed threads are available with a google search.

There is even a lifelong AMD enthusiast who has built and tested a Ryzen system in these forums that is critical of some things.

This has absolutely nothing at all to do with AMD, this is about clickbait titles that are on top of that just misleading.

"amd already falling?" is not an opinion at all and has nothing to do with opinions.
I could not care less whether they, or the person they linked the review off, liked the product, my problem entirely lies with the packaging of it.

I gave example as to why its a problem, really cannot be more clear than that so if it has not landed at this point then sadly I feel it never will.

 

[mroofie]

Wednesday Ryzen Review !!!!!!!

Just a few more hours

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Wednesday Ryzen Review !!!!!!!

Just a few more hours

I am going to start by reading the conclusion.........i think i know all the rest.

 

[EarthDog]

Yes but the stocks have increased quite well recently, it's not unusual for some investors to cash in, not saying you are wrong...... just sayin.

because of the hype leading up to it...Notice on release day it dropped two points? Also agree that, at a minimum, doesn't 'look good'. It could also be they are just cashing in...

http://www.marketwatch.com/m/quote/amd

 

[erocker]

I am surprised you didn't just close this and leave the bait free thread I had started open...

Yours seems more for posting bench's and what not. This thread is for normal pedestrian CPU raging.

 

[cdawall]

Yours seems more for posting bench's and what not. This thread is for normal pedestrian CPU raging.

Hahaha makes sense

 

[OneCool]

Yours seems more for posting bench's and what not. This thread is for normal pedestrian CPU raging.

How dare them!! Come shipped in cardboard!!
A friend of my cousins, uncle's,grandpa's,sister's friend that can install a app on a iPhone said they would be shipped in tempered glass and polished aluminum cases.
I didn't sign up for this shit!!!

 

[Mr McC]

Ryzen discussion thread? I expected better from TechPowerUp.

 

[Vario]

Ryzen discussion thread? I expected better from TechPowerUp.

Shame we have a negative first post for a neutrally named "discussion" thread. Should be called Ryzen Rage thread.

 

[OneCool]

Shame we have a negative first post for a neutrally named "discussion" thread. Should be called Ryzen Rage thread.

It's a soapbox thing. People need a place to bitch...

 

[TheGuruStud]

It's a soapbox thing. People need a place to bitch...

Don't you tell me where I want to bitch!

 

[OneCool]

Don't you tell me where I want to bitch!

Would never ☺

With this atmosphere it's a pretty good start though