AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

Tatty_Two · Mar 13, 2017

I would like to know how the B350 does in the overclocking stakes, anyone seen any reviews on that? Am doing a MATX build and was thinking of putting a 1700 in with a B350 but torn between that and Kaby.

HTC · Mar 13, 2017

Tatty_One said:
I would like to know how the B350 does in the overclocking stakes, anyone seen any reviews on that? Am doing a MATX build and was thinking of putting a 1700 in with a B350 but torn between that and Kaby.

According to this, not too bad!

EarthDog · Mar 13, 2017

I wouldnt cheap out on the board personally...

Ferrum Master · Mar 13, 2017

Any SATA benchmarks btw?

Mr.Scott · Mar 13, 2017

I would like to see a review of the top Asrock board please.

cadaveca · Mar 13, 2017

Mr.Scott said:
I would like to see a review of the top Asrock board please.

incoming... expect it soon. I just got actual AMD-certified memory on Thursday, so had to re-do all testing.

mcraygsx · Mar 14, 2017

BIOS 0902 is available for Asus Crosshair VI Hero for those own the board.

Dippyskoodlez · Mar 14, 2017

silkstone said:
A lower end Ryzen would also work as an amazing Plex server for the fraction of the cost of an equivalent Intel system.

People who are disappointed with it lack imagination.

I built a dual, dual 6 core Xeon for $500 (for almost exclusively running my plex server). I could cut that price down substantially by not building the second test node and not also filling it up with ram.

I'm extremely disappointed with Ryzen, if you're referring to any and all Plex use. I'm going to need more explanation on how you came to this conclusion if you're going with this use case example, because Ryzen is not a good option at any of it's price points currently offered.

johnspack · Mar 14, 2017

Waiting for Ryzen v2 or whatever. I'm going to hold out hope for this attempt. Amd got it right from 286 to x64 x2, so maybe they can again.....

OneCool · Mar 14, 2017

Still no CF/ SLI scaling results?

Super XP · Mar 14, 2017

EarthDog said:
don't experience this...been smooth gaming on intel for years.

Links...plz! I'd like to read about it from a review or something.

Many users have been complaining about micro stutters here and there. I am not sure if its on all games or a select few. But just internet search it and you will find many pages about this issue. I read a couple of reviewers talking about this briefly. At the moment, I don't remember what review sites. The day the Ryzen reviews were released, I must have read 10 to 12 sites from top to bottom. lol, that was a while ago.

Frag Maniac said:
Honestly, I've been seriously considering a 6 or 8 core CPU since seeing Total Biscuit's review on Arkham Knight before the performance patching. His hex core was playing it pretty smoothly, granted with 980 Ti SLI though.

Then again, I also wonder if 8 core would be more future ready, and I'm kinda doubting there will be any Coffee Lake 8 cores under $500 early next year. I just keep feeling Ryzen isn't quite what I wanted it to be.

Fair enough, though keep in mind, Ryzen did pretty well for a chip that is still not industry or driver optimized, including most game developers that haven't fully tested Ryzen yet. I believe there's quite a bit more room for ZEN 1 improvements though X370 Bios updates and Ryzen optimizations. In Multi-Threading, Ryzen smashes Intel to pieces.

phanbuey · Mar 14, 2017

Dippyskoodlez said:
I built a dual, dual 6 core Xeon for $500 (for almost exclusively running my plex server). I could cut that price down substantially by not building the second test node and not also filling it up with ram.

I'm extremely disappointed with Ryzen, if you're referring to any and all Plex use. I'm going to need more explanation on how you came to this conclusion if you're going with this use case example, because Ryzen is not a good option at any of it's price points currently offered.

how old are those xeons? thats an amazing deal even if they are sandy bridge...

EarthDog said:
don't experience this...been smooth gaming on intel for years.

Links...plz! I'd like to read about it from a review or something.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1345-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x/page7.html

cdawall · Mar 14, 2017

EarthDog said:
but they come from the PCH (24 total from there shared)...

...what am I missing?

DMI is connected to the CPU by DMI 3.0, DMI 3.0 is 8 GT/s (source), conversion of GT/s to Gbps is 8GT/s * (128b/130b) = 7.88Gbps or PCI-e 3.0 8x link. So you cannot take 23.6Gbps of data and make transfer it across a link that only supports 7.88Gbps. I also do not know what kind of loss you see from the PCH, I imagine the lack of performance increase you are seeing is either the loss of the physical limitation of the interconnect.

I also do not know what priority is set to within the PCH, but lets say I have a system with a 1Gbps lan, a SATA storage drive and 2 NVMe drives. That 7.88Gbps available sure did get burnt up quickly...

TheLostSwede · Mar 14, 2017

cdawall said:
DMI is connected to the CPU by DMI 3.0, DMI 3.0 is 8 GT/s (source), conversion of GT/s to Gbps is 8GT/s * (128b/130b) = 7.88Gbps or PCI-e 3.0 8x link. So you cannot take 23.6Gbps of data and make transfer it across a link that only supports 7.88Gbps. I also do not know what kind of loss you see from the PCH, I imagine the lack of performance increase you are seeing is either the loss of the physical limitation of the interconnect.

I also do not know what priority is set to within the PCH, but lets say I have a system with a 1Gbps lan, a SATA storage drive and 2 NVMe drives. That 7.88Gbps available sure did get burnt up quickly...

DMI 3.0 is actually only about 3.94GB/sec which is equivalent to PCIe 3.0 x4, not x8. You forgot to convert Gbps/GT/s to GB/s before you did your PCIe bus width conversion.

Not sure why Intel says it's only 8GT/s, as it's a four-lane interface, not a single-lane interface.

Tatty_Two · Mar 14, 2017

EarthDog said:
I wouldnt cheap out on the board personally...

Well, where I am there is currently nothing 370 on offer for MATX so unless I want to continue waiting its a B350 or Kaby, might have to just go for Kaby as a safer option then look see where Ryzen is in a couple of years.

EarthDog · Mar 14, 2017

Yeah, an matx can be a problem within itself as far as case size and heat removal. I'm sure it will be fine at stock with decent airflow. Anything above that would be gravy.

Tatty_Two · Mar 14, 2017

I don't do stock, it's the principle of it lol, the case has good airflow, better than many mid towers to be honest but that's probably why it costs so much for such a small thing.

cdawall · Mar 14, 2017

TheLostSwede said:
DMI 3.0 is actually only about 3.94GB/sec which is equivalent to PCIe 3.0 x4, not x8. You forgot to convert Gbps/GT/s to GB/s before you did your PCIe bus width conversion.

Not sure why Intel says it's only 8GT/s, as it's a four-lane interface, not a single-lane interface.

Good catch I was a few beers in when I wrote that.

Dippyskoodlez · Mar 14, 2017

phanbuey said:
how old are those xeons? thats an amazing deal even if they are sandy bridge...

E5-2640's.Sandy bridge. They have quite a bit of power still when you can throw 12 cores at something.

Grings · Mar 14, 2017

Now if AMD had a decent chipset with pci-e 3 lanes, and gave it all 8 lanes (4 for chipset+4 for nvme) they would (theoretically) have a better platform

TheLostSwede · Mar 15, 2017

Grings said:
Now if AMD had a decent chipset with pci-e 3 lanes, and gave it all 8 lanes (4 for chipset+4 for nvme) they would (theoretically) have a better platform

So you want the X300 then?

Grings · Mar 15, 2017

TheLostSwede said:
So you want the X300 then?

Thats going to be an itx chipset, probably with less connectivity than x370, i want more, i.e 16+ 3.0 lanes off he chipset like a z270 with am4 socket (and 8x pci-e dmi)

TheLostSwede · Mar 15, 2017

Grings said:
Thats going to be an itx chipset, probably with less connectivity than x370, i want more, i.e 16+ 3.0 lanes off he chipset like a z270 with am4 socket (and 8x pci-e dmi)

It's a "not" chipset. It simply gives you four PCIe 3.0 lanes from the CPU in place of the chipset. Then there's a small component that connects via SPI etc. that takes care of some of the minor stuff that's built into the chipset.

springs113 · Mar 16, 2017

mcraygsx said:
That is correct I was able to install Hydro 110i straight out of the box on Crosshair IV Hero. After great experienced with Maximus IX for 7700k, I would buy Hero series any day.

Im holding out for a rampage v ed 10 or maximus formula version board, it's hard settling for what's out there and the only 2 i saw that peaked my interest were the x titanium n the crosshair. Come on ASUS

the54thvoid · Mar 16, 2017

Just bought:

G.skill 16GB(8GBx2) Trident Z DDR4 PC25600 3200MHz

It's on the QVL list for the Asus Crosshair motherboard. Damn hard to find in the UK but it bloody better work. Haven't bought the motherboard yet but it is back in stock at OcUK...

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AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

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My name is Dave

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where the hell are my stars

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where the hell are my stars

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