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Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

I have managed to get Win7 up and running but AMD must have changed the xHCI driver for the Ryzen 2xxx series.I have media I use to install Win7 to Ryzen 1xxx systems but it would not work for the 2700X on my Crosshair VI x370, same board different CPU so there must have been some changes to the SOC portion to require a different driver. I used the mid-board USB 3.0 connector with a case adapter which allowed my KB and mouse to function during install. Once I installed the updated chipset drivers from AMD everything worked normally.

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No need for PS/2 keyboard & mouse then? I chose xHCI & some other options in my mobo's BIOS & it didn't work so well, for a lack of harsher wording. :)
 
A PS/2 KB,mouse would make it easier. I still need to track down a new driver but using the onboard USB 3 that would connect to the front panel of the case acted as a workaround. I have an adapter that I use which I purchased before cases were front panel USB 3 friendly.

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I still can't quite get what's the deal with HWinfo64's temp readings: tCtl & tDie. The tCtl (or tJunction) is Ryzen 7 1700X's XFR/20° offset & tDie is the CPU's actual temp? Is that it?
 
YautjaLord said:
I still can't quite get what's the deal with HWinfo64's temp readings: tCtl & tDie. The tCtl (or tJunction) is Ryzen 7 1700X's XFR/20° offset & tDie is the CPU's actual temp? Is that it?
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I believe the Ryzen Master software shows the actual temp while HWinfo64/HWmonitor applies the +20C offset.

Just checked my 1700X and my full load readings are 62C in Ryzen Master/82C in HWmonitor
 
Went all out yesterday in a bench session full of issues which ended in a power outage. Did manage to get the 2700X up to 5.5 on the X370 CHVI before it all went to hell.

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Johan45 said:
Went all out yesterday in a bench session full of issues which ended in a power outage. Did manage to get the 2700X up to 5.5 on the X370 CHVI before it all went to hell.

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There's definitely gigantic dose of insanity & all-out berserk involved in doing such thing, but there ya go Johan45 - i applaud you, that's the most impressive feat out of X370-based platform, coupled with this beast CPU. Makes me even more interested to see what my rig can pull out, specifically mobo.
 
YautjaLord said:
There's definitely gigantic dose of insanity & all-out berserk involved in doing such thing, but there ya go Johan45 - i applaud you, that's the most impressive feat out of X370-based platform, coupled with this beast CPU. Makes me even more interested to see what my rig can pull out, specifically mobo.
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This is what it looked like starting off, very humid on Friday. Just thought you might like to see it.

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I love the smell of LN2 in the morning.
 
Johan45 said:
This is what it looked like starting off, very humid on Friday. Just thought you might like to see it.

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It would've be so much..... challenging?... to pull this feat with LCS. :laugh: jk Yeah, thought it will involve LN2. How much for LN2 in this day & age?
 
YautjaLord said:
It would've be so much..... challenging?... to pull this feat with LCS. :laugh: jk Yeah, thought it will involve LN2. How much for LN2 in this day & age?
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The price varies with the market. Typical price is ~ $40 CAD for 30L. I've been there so many times though so depending on who is working have gotten it as cheap as $15
 
I've replaced the R5 1600 to 2600. The boost wasn't as big as I expected, but it was there nonetheless. Really depended on the games that I play. I got extra 200-400MHz out of that, but there was no improvement on my current memory I think. Since I'm running E-die, it cannot be pushed much farther than 3200MHz with reasonable voltage and timings. I can also forget tighter timings, as those are even harder to get stable, and the motherboard isn't even remotely helpful in that regard. However, I want to upgrade my motherboard to something with nicer VRMs and BIOS.

My AB350M Pro4 served me well up until it had no per-core clock speed control like Ryzen Master does. What if I only want to run two primary cores with 4.2GHz and others at stock? I can't. LLC is uncontrollable, and there are a couple of overclocking settings completely missing. It's a basic budget OC board, I hoped I could get much more out of it, but I'm hitting the limit of what it can do.

It sounds very simple to just side-grade the board, right? Well, I have a uATX case. The X470 boards are all mostly ATX exclusive (only ASUS has a single ITX variant). So I can't buy a motherboard that I want. What a shame, they're reserving uATX motherboards for the B450 chipset, which will only release two months later, and there will probably be no X470 uATX variants.

Why do manufacturers think uATX is a form factor for budget oriented people and releasing AM4 boards with lesser components. It's a valid choice for everyone. They can definitely fit everything on one with more PCB layers, so space isn't a limiting factor for sure.

The AB350M Pro4 is near perfect, but it has a defective PCB for some production runs, the on-board sound is trash and the BIOS is lackluster and not as user-friendly. Those would be a nice change for the next boards AsRock releases, a variant with true 6+2 phase VRM with beefier high density heatsinks would be really really nice. Yet none of the manufacturers are making such a dream board for uATX when it is possible. Price would be no object to most as it would definitely be worth every penny. It's basically the uATX variant of the boards that higher-end ATX already has.

The good things it has going for it are having a better VRM section than most other boards out there for AM4 (even though it's not a true 6 or even 4 phase), enough RGB headers to make your head spin, 2 m.2's even though their configuration is wonky because one of them shares off-of SATA I think, and it looks pretty damn good. One of the best looking boards they made, along with the Taichi, it looks very clean inside the case.

I don't need 3 PCI-E slots, and a crap ton of M.2's, that's why it's almost perfect. There's little compromise when owning a uATX board, provided manufacturers don't skimp on features. Is a uATX board with decent on-board sound, good VRM (and heatsinks), a few m.2 connections, a few RGB lighting headers and 1 extra PWM fan header too much to ask?

It even looks like the motherboard making divisions aren't even competing, as one surely would want to gain the upper hand over another one and release something that competition doesn't have.
 
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Wait for an ITX X470, X370 had some.
 
Tis is one of the main reasons i just went with a compact atx build since ive always had issue with mb selection on the other form factors. They are either more expensive, or just the selection is not as good and it's harder to find deals.
 
What i really wanna know is - every single one of you with same mobo as me, (AX370 Gaming K7) have you tested 2700X with F22 EFI/BIOS update? Is it stable, i.e. F22? Do not want to revert back to F4 after i update, that's what i'm saying. Cheers. :toast:
 
HTC said:
The intent was to see how much performance uplift were to be gained by going 4000 VS 3200 on the RAM (without touching anything else): is the difference comparable to 3200 VS 2400? With the same difference between the 2 (RAM speed), is the performance uplift proportional?

I'm just curious!
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I dont get that it isnt stressed more just what a double benefit increments in memory speed yields for ryzen.

get that mem clock up, and you get fabric clock up also. Even latency is of secondary importance.

with apuS, it gets better again.

e.g., its a common argument in the dgpu vs apu debate - apu means dearer memory - BS. The premium is a bargain on any ryzen.

earance" 2700X from Microcenter yesterday for $271.96

nice indeed


imo, take off $30 for the decent cooley you get - so not a lot more than the 6 core.

as somebody commented ~"yeah, ~$100 is a lot for the extra 2 cores, but $100 over the life of the pc is not much for such a pivotal resource."

it would play nice with vega.
 
I am happy with my current pc and for my needs i don't even have to upgrade or anything, thing is i might be starting a new job (will know more when i wake up tomoz) and i will have money to build a second system and if i do then i want to give AMD a try :)

Only issue i have is do i go for the current Ryzen cpu's and the new x470 mobo's or would it be worth waiting till we see Ryzen 2 on the so called 7nm node?
 
7nm is Zen 2, it should be called Ryzen 3.
Apply the general DIY guide, the longer you wait, the best you can get.
 
GoldenX said:
7nm is Zen 2, it should be called Ryzen 3.
Apply the general DIY guide, the longer you wait, the best you can get.
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Haha that is true but if we keep waiting we will never buy anything :D

And sorry zen 2 is what i ment hehe but if its not gonna drop till next year then i will just go for a 2700x or something :) If this job works out money is not an issue and i am just bored of my intel pc and want to build a new one lol.
 
animal007uk said:
I am happy with my current pc and for my needs i don't even have to upgrade or anything, thing is i might be starting a new job (will know more when i wake up tomoz) and i will have money to build a second system and if i do then i want to give AMD a try :)

Only issue i have is do i go for the current Ryzen cpu's and the new x470 mobo's or would it be worth waiting till we see Ryzen 2 on the so called 7nm node?
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Hope the news was good.
Ryzen is a great product at current nodes, and the recent refresh tidied up many initial loose ends. A classic workhorse.

The main improvement down the pike will be pcie 4 on new moboS & cpuS.

Vega could really use 7nm tho.
 
running into a slight issue with my OC on ryzen.. super new to the platform and would appreciate any tips or hints to point me in the right direction.
so i can achieve 4.2ghz easily and it is stable as a rock but i cannot seem to get the voltage to come back down with the clocks, it will stay manually locked to 1.4~ volts
i can use a different profile to reduce the voltage in ryzen master software but it will also stay locked to that voltage and will not come down with the core speed.
i also tried setting the voltage in the bios to +0.3 offset to achieve the same results but it runs into the same issue were the volts will not come down with the clock speed on idle.
the only way i can seem to get the volts to come down on idle is to set everything on auto... am i missing something here??

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Arrakis9 said:
running into a slight issue with my OC on ryzen.. super new to the platform and would appreciate any tips or hints to point me in the right direction.
so i can achieve 4.2ghz easily and it is stable as a rock but i cannot seem to get the voltage to come back down with the clocks, it will stay manually locked to 1.4~ volts
i can use a different profile to reduce the voltage in ryzen master software but it will also stay locked to that voltage and will not come down with the core speed.
i also tried setting the voltage in the bios to +0.3 offset to achieve the same results but it runs into the same issue were the volts will not come down with the clock speed on idle.
the only way i can seem to get the volts to come down on idle is to set everything on auto... am i missing something here??

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Overclocking from factory default clock/voltage turns off Cool'n'Quiet. I've had a couple of occasions with my R5 2600X and MSI mobo while overclocking that Cool n Quiet was switched on.
 
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