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Watched episode 3 of AoT s3, and we’re back to the format we know and love. Lots of explaination of stuff that’s already happened, then some buildup to the next episode, then it ends on a ‘cliffhanger’. Still a good episode though, doesn’t fall into the weird filler category some of s1 did.

I’m a really impatient person, I don’t know why I didn’t wait and just binge this season once it was over :laugh:
 
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Watched episode 3 of AoT s3, and we’re back to the format we know and love. Lots of explaination of stuff that’s already happened, then some buildup to the next episode, then it ends on a ‘cliffhanger’. Still a good episode though, doesn’t fall into the weird filler category some of s1 did.

I’m a really impatient person, I don’t know why I didn’t wait and just binge this season once it was over :laugh:

I might just jump in early myself once I get finished with LotGH Gaiden.. almost done with it. AoT turned out pretty entertaining, despite my gripes with pacing.

edit: Well, LotGH took a strange turn. Almost became a comedy (but quite good, in a subtle, "misunderstanding" sort of plot).. as well as veered towards Hentai. o_O
 

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I will say there’s a non torrent site that has all the anime I watch up and available within 2 hours of it airing. You do have to sign up for the forums to get the user uploaded stuff, but massively popular series and most series that have concluded are on the main site. To find it all you have to do is be like Thanos and snahp.it
 

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I just find places that stream episodes. Screw downloading them.

The funny thing is that bad streams actually still look good. I was surprised when I caught a really good stream of Attack on Titan. The artwork looked like shit! The sense of depth looked cheap, like some flash based cartoon. I was much better off with the crappy stream that blurred things a bit.. it resembled my favorite film-like anime from the 90s :p
 
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"So bad yet so good". That's enough for me.
 
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Maybe it’s just a stylistic thing but I’d say try to get ep2 of season 3 in full quality and then compare that to the streams. There’s no way that action sequence holds up with a low bitrate.
 
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The action is good no matter what. It's just the scenery and dimensions/depth at times. It's just.. I don't know.. the digital creation process that puts me off? Not sure.
 
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My picks for this season (Which looked very thin prior to starting) is:

Banana Fish: An america gangsta style story of drugs and slums stuff.
Grand Blue: 90's style gag anime about people getting drunk at university.. Trust me.. Its amazing. You will laugh so hard you will poop a little.
Harukana Receive: this seasons softcore hentai title. Better than that one about knocking people off platforms with your butt though.

ongoing:
Steins; Gate 0: slow as hell pacing but finaly possibly going somewhere.
Boku no hero Academia: Shounen Jump anime are you bread and butter of the industry. At least its better than Fairy Tail.
 
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s;g0 should explode by now, with the mad scientist returning in 3 episodes or so.
 
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I'm almost tempted to watch the original, but subbed. The dub actor was actually great, but I have a feeling his "pomposity" was given unique, archaic English phrasing. I'd like to hear the Japanese equivalent. It doesn't seem like it was an exact translation.
 
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The action is good no matter what. It's just the scenery and dimensions/depth at times. It's just.. I don't know.. the digital creation process that puts me off? Not sure.
I get that. I feel that way, too. My big pet peeve is CG. I don't care what people say about how much better its gotten. It's still just an inferior method to me. It never looks as good. And sometimes it gets used where it shouldn't. To me it's nothing but a cheap way to do things. Like, I swear to god if I see another stationary vehicle inexplicably rendered in 3D, with 2D surrounding it... ...or another goddamned 3D crowd shot...

But I don't think it's entirely because its digital. Digital production arguably doesn't have a specific look. It's just a different means of accomplishing things. Really it's just a better way to do things that have been done before. I think the charm of oldschool animation is a myth. It has more to do with the people creating it and their reasons than the tools used at the time. And honestly, modern production tools are so far beyond what anime producers of yesteryear had that its kind of insane. Many things that we appreciated from pre-digital took A LOT more time and effort to pull off with the techniques of the time, whereas they are now much more feasible with digital tools. I mean, it really took a lot of time and manpower in order to do things that now are very simple to do and do well. People making stuff back then would have KILLED to have the tools people have now. The things they did back then would only have been that much better.

The problem is that it allows people to take shortcuts that just completely wouldn't have worked back then... ...like there are certain corners that can't be cut with hand-drawn, painted and cel-shaded stuff and that necessitated studios going further in on certain things than they have to now. They had to be careful with their budgets and teams. They had to really make it count on the execution or the whole thing would look like total dogshit. Now they can more than halve the budget and still get something halfway decent. They don't even have to pay the best artists to get something they can actually sell. It's just a shame that the power of modern tools and techniques rarely gets utilized to go further than ever before, like it very well could be.

Digital lets them get away with less and studios love saving money. But at the end of the day it still empowers studios to do more. Whether they actually choose that is another issue. In a perfect world, anime only gets better because of digital production techniques. It's just that in this world, it gets abused instead. They use it to pump out volume instead of better quality.

My big thing with modern Japanese animation has to do with the whole mindset and approach of the industry. Even the biggest studios have budget problems, and it hurts their best shows. There's this completely illogical push to put up as much content as possible, if only to sort of float on to the next season and sort of stay "relevant" without taking too many chances. So instead of maybe having one big project that maybe grosses a whole lot, and maybe 2-3 smaller ones to sort of keep things moving and groom fresh team members, they cut staff and time constraints as short as possible, crank out 10 shitty, completely passionless LN adaptations that have no real reason to exist, and then scramble with whatever they have left to make their anime of the season. The shitty shows then proceed to not sell and get buried under the rest of the pile by next year, and their one main entry for the year takes a huge hit because the studio is stretched too thin to do things right. And then when it fails to impress people they do it all over again. It's all just a waste of energy at the end of the year. They run themselves ragged and broke until they push themselves into this corner where it's really all they can muster.

You can tell the people working on a lot of this stuff don't really love what they do... ...even with the better stuff. And why would they? It's gotta be an insane grind. You can really see that in all of the corners cut. Everything in anime is rushed to an absurd degree. So it winds up just being a job to them. There's no point in caring when you know what you're working on is gonna come out half-baked and look like shit anyway. Might as well be a bureaucrat instead and make better money. Same stress and red tape. Anime is just a god-awful place to be an artist right now because of the leadership and their idea of what works and what makes money. They take the guaranteed quick cash every time. Animation-wise I do not feel the love there. The people on top aim to produce a product. It's a completely soulless endeavor. Max returns for minimum losses. Taking risks in the medium is just not their MO. Nobody creates their own trends anymore. They just coast on existing ones until they run them into the ground. And then its onto the next thing. Because of this, they can technically flop regularly and still stay in business, because some people will always watch, even if it's not actually that good or well put-together.

It's like... ...as an artist, if you have an idea you love that you're really confident and secure in, that conviction will show in how you manifest it. Every time I see another show that's the same as what everyone else is doing... ...or maybe it really had something that could've made it stand out, if it hadn't ultimately fallen back on pandering to the status quo, that says to me that the creators weren't confident that their idea was good enough to stand on its own. And that's sad. If you feel like you have to try to add "extra" appeal to get people to want to watch your stuff... no less at the expense of putting in a full and focused effort, that's probably a sign that you should come up with something else. Your ideas probably suck and there's no avoiding that. Nobody makes it to the top by settling for the middle ground. All that really does is put a hard limit on the total number people who will watch, let alone remember.

Everybody in the industry just seems content with mediocrity. They seem to think its better to shoot low and pass bog-standard than shoot high and risk losing big. Even the best of the best are guilty of this right now. Being safe and staying niche keeps things moving. And from an artistic quality standpoint, all anime suffers greatly for this. And it's most obvious in the animation department. It doesn't have to be more universally high quality if it appeals to enough specific subgroups who will watch anything with "that thing" in it. It's sad man. If all of these big names stopped scrambling to produce as many mediocre shows as possible and focused all of their talent and energies into stuff they were passionate about, anime might reach a whole new level of appeal and probably bring in a fuckton more newcomers and with them a fuckton more money which could be used to make a fuckton of better shows that actually advance the medium.

Okay so I went off there, but its all related...
 
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Yeah, I imagine it really could be a grind. Aren't there anime about that.. or is some series about the grind of the Manga industry?

On another note: I tried giving LotGH: Die Neue These (the newest series) a try.

Not sure why this even had to be made. Kids should know what's good for them and watch the original. It almost seems to follow the original plot scene by scene, but I just can't get into it so far. I especially dislike the character art. They all have duck lips or something. No way would anyone go gay for Reinhard with this version. :p And it lacks the epic classical music. It's got cooler/modern looking ships and space scenes, but that's about it so far.
 
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Yeah, I imagine it really could be a grind. Aren't there anime about that.. or is some series about the grind of the Manga industry?
Agh... took two sentences and churned out 100 again. I need help... I dunno if I'm passionate or jaded as hell.
Oh no doubt. And I'm sure most of the time they're not landing the projects they want to be working on. There's no way anybody who considers themselves an artist enjoys doing the same boring things over and over again without ever being challenged outside of I guess, like how much pressure you can still perform under. I mean, sure some probably just love to draw and don't care what... ...same as how people in cover bands just wanna play for an audience. But just looking at these shows and knowing what I do about how they're made... ...I know that it would kill the artist in me. Very few creative people actually operate at their best under heavily constraining, high-pressure, high-accountability situations. Especially when all that's at stake is a paycheck. The ones who can are the exception. Good art necessitates a little freedom and encouragement to explore, not hard-line, strictly A-to-B thinking.

I know it's a production but some studios take it to the extreme... ...they treat their releases like nothing more than a product to be marketed and sold, while the artists working under them are nothing more than workers. They move anime like Wal-Mart sells Pepsi and Lays potato chips. To them, it's like it never needs to be more than that. And somehow trying to make something more than that is wasteful.

But that's often how it goes in any medium that lasts for long enough to be recognized as a pivotal thing. As a long time musician myself I swear I can sense the soul-trapping drudgery of the people on the other side and it hurts me. I'm probably exaggerating but its legitimately upsetting to me. o_O It's really awful to think that the next Satoshi Kon may be out there somewhere, drawing crappy ecchi shows for c-list studios. I don't think talent rises to the top quite like it used to. Very few people get real opportunities to shine. Even the best efforts aren't as strong as they once were. I really don't think the industry is even trying to encourage that anymore. They don't want people who want to do something different. And the people working for them who do want something new aren't going to pour their hearts and souls into uninteresting regurgitations of the norm. They're gonna do the bear minimum, hoping to eventually land on something they can really run with.

I'm biased. Pretty much all of my favorite anime are older. And I think that's because at one point the state of the industry had left a *little* room for people who wanted to do stuff that was really out there. I mean it's always kind of been this towering, sinister hype machine, just churning out derivative stuff in a completely inhuman fashion, but there used to at least be some heart... ...some real, totally unrestrained and often controversial passion projects that would actually make it out there and be remembered. That's how we got stuff that redefined not just anime, but other mediums, and ushered in generations of fans. Stuff that changed the conversation... ...changed how we watched stuff. You don't see stuff like that anymore. There's plenty that's really good, but how many shows have there been recently that people will truly remember as being as revolutionary as so many things in the past were. When's the last time we saw something as completely weird and unlike anything else as Angel's Egg? Weird example, but you know what I mean? :p There's no way a movie like that would ever be made now,

There are still shows that focus on solid animation and trying to really stand out. And it looks fuckin amazing... and it's super engaging, but it just... ...it doesn't have the same pull. It still feels a little disingenuous. Like a compromise.

I always wind up thinking "This is REALLY good, but does it need to exist? Is anime different because of this?" Can't tell you how many awesome modern things I've seen that I can't remember after only a few years. It's like, there's stuff that's technically on par with the classics, but the difference is that the classics didn't suffer from most of the flaws that other shows at the time did... ...and they completely subverted whatever was normal. They stood out as their own distinct thing and there really was nothing like them. They're more than just "the best mecha" or the "the best sci-fi" or whatever. All of the true classics are wayy different from each other, too! Seems like the modern classics are just the best versions of what everyone is doing, save for a handful. And most of them still feel like they're not as good as they could've been... ...like they rest more on their hype and potential more than the admittedly highly polished finished product. It's merely "really good for what it is." Meaning, people still have to be sold on what it is to realize that it's actually good.

And that polish, I think a lot of people look at and assume they don't like. But I think it's actually the current trend in imagery and the ideas behind it they don't like. It's not the look of digital, it's the homogenized execution. The fact that its done digitally is not what makes it bland and unoriginal. The artwork itself simply lacks character. Most teams now just seem not to go as far to create a distinct look and feel anymore. Instead the seek to remove it. A few still carry the torch, but not many and not often enough.

Just think, if old classics came out today, would they suffer from digi-itis? Personally I don't think so, because those shows oozed character, style, and creativity in their aestetic that other shows didn't have. The old ways of animating didn't actually look better - they were clunky, and harder to make work, but that old stuff still looks better than stuff today! In spite of being old, not because. The rest of the stuff back then looked god awful!

Like, how is it that animation gets easier to do, but generally isn't as well-done? There's gotta be a reason we don't get stuff like that anymore. Anime has always had major problems with time, money, and creative license, but I think the problem's approaching a record high now. Anime was better when nobody thought there was any money in it. You would get into it knowing that your success would be limited, making you free to pursue what you wanted, since you might as well at least be known if you're not gonna make big money. Now that it's been legitimized as an industry, people take that side of it too seriously to fully veer and barrel into greatness. They just graze it. Don't wanna put up enough bread to get the animation up to snuff, even on stuff that would have been truly great, if only somebody had the perceptiveness or ambition to put their money where their mouth was - if only they recognized what they had and cared about that. It's not about making stuff or being known. Just being bought. They all sold ouut mannnn! :p

That's my take on why anime tends to look kind of bad these days, even though we all know it could be better. All I can say about it.
I can remember there being at least two anime within an anime in the past few years. Manga within manga are old news, and there have even been multi-cour anime adaptations... ...anime based on a manga about a manga. Not sure if there have been any manga adaptations of anime about manga, though... ...or anime adaptatios of manga about anime :p

Probably many more than most realize of those out there... ...practically enough to qualify as its own subgenre at this point. I struggle to remember any of them, but I remember them being a thing going wayyy back. At least the early oughts, probably more buried in the 90's too. Ironically they all seem to suffer from the very problems they depict. I don't trust the SoL genre. I just think to myself that maybe the subject itself is interesting and I'll watch for that, but then I remember that most SoL shows aren't really about what they say they're about. The core theme/subject is more like a light seasoning.

Usually they're just your typical SoL dramas with a different label tacked on, only not even as good as the ones that don't pretend to be about anything. I vaguely remember an anime about a manga that I wanted to watch a few years back, but I dropped it for that very reason. Just kinda shrugged and said "...yep. I'm bored."

I will say I'd love a nitty gritty educational anime about making anime. Something like Moyashimon, but with anime instead of microbes. That one was still a slice of life, but kind of meta in that it actually goes in almost too hard on the actual subject, with the SoL stuff only played for a little relief - to the point of being dryly informative a lot of the time. I think a lot of people actually hated it for completely sidestepping the SoL to go on about microbes for at least 2/3 of each episode... as opposed to something like K-ON, where most of the time you forget that it's not just supposed to be a show about girls eating sweets, going through high school, generally being girls, and doing nothing :p

Rather see one like some sort of SoL documentary or something. If anybody knows one like that I'll watch it for sure. I'm sure it exists somewhere. There was one just a couple of years ago that seemed to go over well, though what little I saw of it didn't inspire confidence that I was gonna learn much of anything :/

And you know? ...now that I think about it, one of my favorite shows ever is actually sort of about an anime. Paranoia Agent! Heh.
 
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First ever Anime was Legend of the overfiend then watched Akira shortly after that now own the complete set of Overfiend and Akira on BR special edition now fully immersed in to the Japanese manga anime world and moved on to Marvel and DC anime.

Massive fan of Ghost in the shell, Tokyo Ghoul series.
 
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StrayKAT I do get what you’re saying about some of the 3D stuff. I don’t like it too much either, but IMO it actually does give a better idea of scale than some similar hand drawn scenes do.
 
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First ever Anime was Legend of the overfiend then watched Akira shortly after that now own the complete set of Overfiend and Akira on BR special edition now fully immersed in to the Japanese manga anime world and moved on to Marvel and DC anime.

Massive fan of Ghost in the shell, Tokyo Ghoul series.

Marvel/DC are very hit and miss with me too.

I'll say for sure though that the Dark Knight Returns adaptation is awesome. That's the best American cartoon I've seen in awhile.

edit: If anime is commited to 3D, I don't mind.. like the Godzilla stuff.
 
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First ever Anime was Legend of the overfiend then watched Akira shortly after that now own the complete set of Overfiend and Akira on BR special edition now fully immersed in to the Japanese manga anime world and moved on to Marvel and DC anime.

Massive fan of Ghost in the shell, Tokyo Ghoul series.
Enjoy the cheeky nudes in Legend of the overfiend?? I accidentally got exposed to this monstrosity at age of 14 lol.
I quite enjoy the DC animated movies..So far the ones i've seen are:
Batman : Under the redhood
Son of Batman
Batman vs Robin
Batman Bad Blood
Justice League Vs Teen Titans
Teen Titans Judas Contract

Watched 3rd episode of AOT and need more...
 
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Enjoy the cheeky nudes in Legend of the overfiend?? I accidentally got exposed to this monstrosity at age of 14 lol.
I quite enjoy the DC animated movies..So far the ones i've seen are:
Batman : Under the redhood
Son of Batman
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Watched 3rd episode of AOT and need more...

So you didn't like DKR? Or have you not seen it? It's uncanny how much it resembles the graphic novel, page for page.
 
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So you didn't like DKR? Or have you not seen it? It's uncanny how much it resembles the graphic novel, page for page.
Can't remember if I have seen it or not, but if its the one where the animation changes in 2 different parts then yeah I have seen it, I got bit bored by the pacing and wasn't that into it sadly Or I may have been sleepy when I watched it..I'll give it another go when I feel I want dive into something deep.
 
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Can't remember if I have seen it or not, but if its the one where the animation changes in 2 different parts then yeah I have seen it, I got bit bored by the pacing and wasn't that into it sadly Or I may have been sleepy when I watched it..I'll give it another go when I feel I want dive into something deep.

Not sure what you mean by animation changing? I don't remember anything like that.

It's the story that put Frank Miller on the map... and imitated the world over, as far as Batman stories go. Batman was never the same after that comic. Hard to imagine you got bored :)

It's not too deep. It's just great action.
 
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Not sure what you mean by animation changing? I don't remember anything like that.

It's the story that put Frank Miller on the map... and imitated the world over, as far as Batman stories go. Batman was never the same after that comic. Hard to imagine you got bored :)

It's not too deep. It's just great action.
It was Batman:Gotham Knight I believe was the one I watched that had change of animation. My bad,in that case I have not watched it yet.
 
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It was Batman:Gotham Knight I believe was the one I watched that had change of animation. My bad,in that case I have not watched it yet.

Ah.. not sure I've seen that.

I'm not even the biggest Batman fan, but this is definitely a must see. Best Batman, period.. live action or animation. imho, of course :)
 
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Ok next up on my watch eventually list are Steins Gate, Code Geass, and MHA. I'm leaning towards MHA first because it's lighter than AoT and already has a ton of episodes to back it up. Thoughts?
 
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