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Price is basically the only complaint, so that is what is clung too.



Thanks I will.
It isn't the only complaint, but by far the biggest one & rightfully so. If $1000 is the new normal then prices of GPU across the board will explode. For someone who buys mid range, like the vast majority of dGPU buyers, it'll basically boil down to a Ryzen^2 (gpu) from AMD or Conroe Part Deux from Intel. Can I live without a next gen dGPU ~ of course but this affects other areas of our lives as well.

Continuing from the other thread, that was locked yesterday, what people don't understand is that enabling corporate greed isn't a good thing ~ ever! If a non negligible minority continues supporting practices like this, it affects all of us ~ negatively. You can put the morality spin here, but the fact of the matter is more power/money in the hands of "plebs" is generally a good thing. The corporate overlords aren't our friends & they'll never have our best interests in their heart.
 
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If NVIDIA uses the same pricing model for the main and lower end cards, and if the pricing isn't corrected, then pc gaming could once again become the unwanted step child of the gaming industry, and this coming after the crypto mining craze is just poor timing.

Personally I'm hoping that the next generation, whether they're from NVIDIA, AMD or Intel, will bring the price back to a reasonable level, but that is a year+ away.
 
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Next year is going to be AMD's year- I have a feeling they are going to absolutely crush it with Zen 2 and Navi.
 
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While the performance is in same territory as Titan XP series. TSMC’s 12nm FinFet has not helped them in department of power efficiency. I suppose since TSMC’s 12nm is same as 16nm. 2080 Ti is one hungry card.

Price itself leaves a bad taste in mouth.
 
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new king for sure but even i had the needed money wouldn't spend so much for a vga... hope older card prices will go down soon..
 
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Says the fastest consumer GPU on the market has lame performance, and then says others are trolling...

Yeah, some people just want to complain about something...

Of course price is insane, everyone here could agree, but lame performance? C´mom guys, be serious...

Despite the price, the 2080Ti is a beast of a card, no doubt about that. If Nvidia sold it for $500, I guess no one would mind to have such a lame performance card in their system.
 
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What I don't understand is why NVIDIA had to rush this and release a RTX product that's main and core feature is RTX and on launch, there is exactly ZERO games for it. You're buying a 1200€ graphic card on promise to eventually get some of this fancy stuff. Not even Shadow of Tomb Raider has ANY of the RTX features included. If gamers are anything like me, I'd want to play a brand new game with all the new special effects straight away. Because playing it again just won't be the same. It's potential they lost because they rushed the whole thing. And that DLSS or whatever it is, same. No actual games use it. I don't get it why there was this need to rush when they could actually have RTX games on launch day, DLSS games on launch day, fixed power consumption on launch day. They aren't being forced to release by AMD, so why have they done such a rushed half ass release? I really don't understand NVIDIA.

At least performance jump is huge even at 1080p which makes it a brilliant 144Hz gaming option for those of us who don't care about 4K, but admire high and smooth framerate. Still, unless I win a lottery, I don't see myself buying one anytime soon. GTX 1080Ti serves me perfectly fine.
 
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It is priced way too high. That's the real reason behinds everyone's hate. Only people with money to blow are going to pay those kind of premiums.
 
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If this was GTX 2080Ti (no RTX and no Tensor stuff) for the price of GTX 1080Ti when it was originally sold, I think many would jump on it as gains are significant even for good old rasterization which is used in 100% of the games. Unlike RTX which is to this date used in exactly ZERO games. Not even Shadow of Tomb Raider has it and it was just released...
 
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What I don't understand is why NVIDIA had to rush this and release a RTX product that's main and core feature is RTX and on launch, there is exactly ZERO games for it. You're buying a 1200€ graphic card on promise to eventually get some of this fancy stuff. Not even Shadow of Tomb Raider has ANY of the RTX features included. If gamers are anything like me, I'd want to play a brand new game with all the new special effects straight away. Because playing it again just won't be the same. It's potential they lost because they rushed the whole thing. And that DLSS or whatever it is, same. No actual games use it. I don't get it why there was this need to rush when they could actually have RTX games on launch day, DLSS games on launch day, fixed power consumption on launch day. They aren't being forced to release by AMD, so why have they done such a rushed half ass release? I really don't understand NVIDIA.

At least performance jump is huge even at 1080p which makes it a brilliant 144Hz gaming option for those of us who don't care about 4K, but admire high and smooth framerate. Still, unless I win a lottery, I don't see myself buying one anytime soon. GTX 1080Ti serves me perfectly fine.


Makes less sense if you also take into account the rumors about overstock on 10 series cards, they should have waited until March, they also seem desperate to get impulse buyers, I would say they wanted to make it in time for Christmas, but the 2060 may not launch until next year, and the 2070 and higher are to expensive for most.
 

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What I don't understand is why NVIDIA had to rush this and release a RTX product that's main and core feature is RTX and on launch, there is exactly ZERO games for it.

Which came first the chicken or the egg.

20-series was designed for 10nm Samsung and later shrinked to 8nm. They didnt rush, they were late. This was meant to be March 30th release.

Shrink to 50% of 754 mm² -> 350 mm² and the clocks would be 20% higher. On 8nm (soon hopefully) -> 300 mm² .
 
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What I don't understand is why NVIDIA had to rush this and release a RTX product that's main and core feature is RTX and on launch, there is exactly ZERO games for it. You're buying a 1200€ graphic card on promise to eventually get some of this fancy stuff. Not even Shadow of Tomb Raider has ANY of the RTX features included. If gamers are anything like me, I'd want to play a brand new game with all the new special effects straight away. Because playing it again just won't be the same. It's potential they lost because they rushed the whole thing. And that DLSS or whatever it is, same. No actual games use it. I don't get it why there was this need to rush when they could actually have RTX games on launch day, DLSS games on launch day, fixed power consumption on launch day. They aren't being forced to release by AMD, so why have they done such a rushed half ass release? I really don't understand NVIDIA.

At least performance jump is huge even at 1080p which makes it a brilliant 144Hz gaming option for those of us who don't care about 4K, but admire high and smooth framerate. Still, unless I win a lottery, I don't see myself buying one anytime soon. GTX 1080Ti serves me perfectly fine.


They didn't need to release anything, but did, because they know the audience who buys Titans will upgrade. They have zero competition, so this wasn't a need... but development of new tech needs to start somewhere, and RTX is it. Technology improvements come before implementation in games.
 
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  • RTX Technology not gimmicky, does bring tangible IQ improvements

This is the definition for gimmick: an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.

Currently RTX is a gimmick, as the Ray Tracing is currently a novel device designed to increase appeal(especially on the 2080(non-ti)). It has no tangible value currently, as nothing uses it, and we can't see performance with it on/off. It may look great, but if we have to turn down settings to get acceptable framerate, will it be worth the IQ losses elsewhere?
 
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Rushed in terms of not offering it at right time. Imagine if they released RTX cards and on launch day say "You can now actually play X number of games with RTX". And game studios could also sell this as a feature. Being first ray traced game in existence is kinda big deal. Saying "Oh we released a patch for it 2 months later" is kinda weak as most people don't even care about the game anymore at that time. But experiencing brand new game with brand new special effect, that's big. Just remember first time we played Pixel Shaded games and we stared at water for hours. That's why. They could orchestrate a big release with game studios of which both would benefit greatly even by delaying release solely because of that. And even with 1 month delay they wouldn't lose anything for Holiday spending season.
 
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What I don't understand is why NVIDIA had to rush this and release a RTX product that's main and core feature is RTX and on launch, there is exactly ZERO games for it. You're buying a 1200€ graphic card on promise to eventually get some of this fancy stuff. Not even Shadow of Tomb Raider has ANY of the RTX features included. If gamers are anything like me, I'd want to play a brand new game with all the new special effects straight away. Because playing it again just won't be the same. It's potential they lost because they rushed the whole thing. And that DLSS or whatever it is, same. No actual games use it. I don't get it why there was this need to rush when they could actually have RTX games on launch day, DLSS games on launch day, fixed power consumption on launch day. They aren't being forced to release by AMD, so why have they done such a rushed half ass release? I really don't understand NVIDIA.

At least performance jump is huge even at 1080p which makes it a brilliant 144Hz gaming option for those of us who don't care about 4K, but admire high and smooth framerate. Still, unless I win a lottery, I don't see myself buying one anytime soon. GTX 1080Ti serves me perfectly fine.

It seems to me that this 20 series is Nvidia testing the waters for next year.

Probably launching these new features along with a very new manufacturing process would be a big risk (they've been working with 12nm for over a year, so they knew what they could count on).

And since AMD is MIA and will continue like that for some time, there was no better time for this, no pressure whatsoever.

As a user of a 980Ti, I will also pass this generation. This card still serves me well, so it should last perfectly until 7nm arrive.
 

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Makes less sense if you also take into account the rumors about overstock on 10 series cards, they should have waited until March, they also seem desperate to get impulse buyers, I would say they wanted to make it in time for Christmas, but the 2060 may not launch until next year, and the 2070 and higher are to expensive for most.
I heard some thoughts on that. Seems that due to the end of the mining boom, NVIDIA is trying to get some more $$ in for 2018, to show good financials and keep stock holders happy.
 
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Next year is going to be AMD's year- I have a feeling they are going to absolutely crush it with Zen 2 and Navi.

Zen2 maybe. Navi... keep on dreaming bro. Navi will still be GCN, a hot and slow mess

This is the definition for gimmick: an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.

Currently RTX is a gimmick, as the Ray Tracing is currently a novel device designed to increase appeal(especially on the 2080(non-ti)). It has no tangible value currently, as nothing uses it, and we can't see performance with it on/off. It may look great, but if we have to turn down settings to get acceptable framerate, will it be worth the IQ losses elsewhere?


Sure it is a gimmick. Just like hardware T&L, or DirectX 9. Every new technology is a gimmick to you i guess.
 
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The corporate overlords aren't our friends & they'll never have our best interests in their heart.

Keep in mind, the only entity with your best interests in mind is you. If you go through life expecting anything different you are setting yourself up for failure.

Zen2 maybe. Navi... keep on dreaming bro. Navi will still be GCN, a hot and slow mess

Care to enlighten us on your knowledge base?

EDIT: Fixed quotes.
 
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Sure it is a gimmick. Just like hardware T&L, or DirectX 9. Every new technology is a gimmick to you i guess.


I'm fine with new technologies but when a statement in the pro column of the article says, "RTX Technology not gimmicky, does bring tangible IQ improvements", then proof needs to be provided and in the review the only provided evidence are screenshots of a star wars demo we've already seen. Until we know how capable these cards are at raytracing in a game, it may very well be a gimmick for these cards.
 
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I'm not understanding all the complaints. The ONLY true bad thing is the price. There are no bad products, just bad pricing. If a 2080Ti was $100, you'd all shut up (well...maybe not...eh). That's not possible. I can never can afford the newest GPU's, so I wouldn't be able to get it anyway. But nothing about it screams "terrible" like some of the posters make it seem. It still beats out a 1080Ti if you were a big spender anyway and certainly beats out anything AMD bothered with. If you're gaming at 4K, this will absolutely be on your radar. And luckily some of the newer features aren't as proprietary as Nvidia tends to make them. There will absolutely be games coming up and much broader support than PhysX or GameWorks, etc. I think the complaints are coming from those who spend top dollar every single cycle and buy the top $60 AAA game on release dates and everything that doesn't meet that highest marginal "wants" is looked at like peasantry. Any reasonable person is more cautious with their money regardless of where in the rankings said product is.
 
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If NVIDIA uses the same pricing model for the main and lower end cards, and if the pricing isn't corrected, then pc gaming could once again become the unwanted step child of the gaming industry, and this coming after the crypto mining craze is just poor timing.

Personally I'm hoping that the next generation, whether they're from NVIDIA, AMD or Intel, will bring the price back to a reasonable level, but that is a year+ away.

It could actually be closer than you think, but it isn't a guarantee. If AMD really wanted to - they have several options for launching a full line-up to take this on as early as Q1 2019. The question is if they think it is worth it, or even literally if it is worth it when Ryzen 3 will make them way more money.
 
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AMD's fastest, the Vega 64 is far behind, reaching only about half the performance of RTX 2080 Ti.

HAHAHAHA oh wow. That is just pathetic.

To top that off, we have the clueless hordes here crying that a $ 1,200 card (2080 Ti) that's twice as fast as a $600 card (Vega 64) is overpriced. Who wants to bet half of them will own a Turing card in 6 months' time?
 

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I'm not understanding all the complaints. The ONLY true bad thing is the price. There are no bad products, just bad pricing. I never can afford the newest GPU's, so I wouldn't be able to get it anyway. But nothing about it screams "terrible" like some of the posters make it seem. It still beats out a 1080Ti if you were a big spender anyway and certainly beats out anything AMD bothered with. And luckily some of the newer features aren't as proprietary as Nvidia tends to make them. There will absolutely be games coming up. I think the complaints are coming from those who spend top dollar every single cycle and buy the top $60 AAA game on release dates and everything that doesn't meet that highest end is looked at like peasantry. Any reasonable person is more cautious with their money regardless of where in the rankings said product is.
What's not to understand?
Nvidia introduces GameWorks, it catches flak for using proprietary technologies.
Nvidia introduces Pascal, it catches flak for introducing a mere refinement over Maxwell.
Nvidia introduces Turing, it catches flak for RTX not being in widespread use already.

Is the pattern more obvious now? ;)

HAHAHAHA oh wow. That is just pathetic.

To top that off, we have the clueless hordes here crying that a $ 1,200 card (2080 Ti) that's twice as fast as a $600 card (Vega 64) is overpriced. Who wants to bet half of them will own a Turing card in 6 months' time?
Well, yes. Price never increases linearly with performance. Not at the high end, at least.
 
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I'm not understanding all the complaints. The ONLY true bad thing is the price. There are no bad products, just bad pricing. If a 2080Ti was $100, you'd all shut up. That's not possible. I can never can afford the newest GPU's, so I wouldn't be able to get it anyway. But nothing about it screams "terrible" like some of the posters make it seem. It still beats out a 1080Ti if you were a big spender anyway and certainly beats out anything AMD bothered with. And luckily some of the newer features aren't as proprietary as Nvidia tends to make them. There will absolutely be games coming up. I think the complaints are coming from those who spend top dollar every single cycle and buy the top $60 AAA game on release dates and everything that doesn't meet that highest marginal "wants" is looked at like peasantry. Any reasonable person is more cautious with their money regardless of where in the rankings said product is.

I completely agree - the time to complain about Nvidia was when they launched a $1000 Titan in 2013, a $700+ 1080 in 2016, or lied about how much VRAM their cards had (multiple times actually). What's happening right now is no different than GK100 for $1000, or GP104 for $700.

In fact at least Nvidia has a massive performance advantage this time around, and 4K gaming is FINALLY conquered. Turing actually impresses me, it overperformed estimates. Anyone expecting the price tag to be "justified" was delusional, and that's because Nvidia has never justified their price tags before - but at least now they can claim it's because they have no competition...
 
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Zen2 maybe. Navi... keep on dreaming bro. Navi will still be GCN, a hot and slow mess




Sure it is a gimmick. Just like hardware T&L, or DirectX 9. Every new technology is a gimmick to you i guess.

I mean Vega was essentially AMD's first time in the high end GPU market because previously they just heavily saturated the mid-tier market, but how did AMD do? Well Sapphire's Nitro+ Vega 64 consistently beats the GTX 1080 FE so I think AMD did pretty good for their first time in the high end market.

Navi is suppose to be even better than Vega with next gen memory and I guarantee you that Navi will be cheaper than the new Nvidia cards. Unless you are solely gaming at 4k, the GTX 1080ti and the GTX 2080ti are completely overkill. I personally think that 1440p is the ideal resolution for gaming and both the Vega 56 and 64 handle 1440p like a champ.
 
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