NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super Founders Edition

[sergionography]

The best part about the 2070super is that it gives us a core vs core comparison once 5700xt is out. Same shader count and same memory subsystem. And even clock speed probably going to be similar

 

[EarthDog]

@W1zzard - quick question.. the price you listed for the 2070 is for the reference model. Does the data correspond to the reference model or to the FE?

 

[gridracedriver]

This card is excellent because it puts pressure on the VII on the perf / cost ratio, true that VII is also addressed to prosumers, but the alternative could be to cut the price of VII by $ 100 if it is possible considering the cost of hbm2 and put on the market gamer a MI60 with only 16GB hbm2 if this is possible, because I don't think the chip that replaces Vega20 is ready, Arcturus with RDNA2 + RT

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard - quick question.. the price you listed for the 2070 is for the reference model. Does the data correspond to the reference model or to the FE?

Price is for the cheapest card I can find on Newegg (have done it like that since forever).
Performance data is for FE indeed, but the difference is small. I know it's not optimal, but there is just no other way. There is no "reference" on the market, they all have at least higher power limit or a different cooler, which increases boosts too.

 

[akumod77]

Nvidia's logical price stacking

in the past
960 $200 (midrange)
970 $330
1080 $550

still in the past
1060 $250 (midrange)
1070 $380
1080 $500

present day
2060 $400 (midrange)
2070 $500
2080 $700

in the near future
3050 $400
3060 $500 (midrange)
3070 $700
3080 $1000

next in the near future
4040 $400
4050 $500
4060 $700 (midrange)
4070 $1000
4080 $1500

again next in the near future
5030 $400
5040 $500
5050 $700
5060 $1000 (midrange)
5070 $1500
5080 $2000

again again next in the near future
6030 $500
6040 $700
6050 $1000
6060 $1500 (midrange)
6070 $2000
6080 $2500

It never gonna end

 

[bug]

Nvidia's logical price stacking

in the past
960 $200 (midrange)
970 $330
1080 $550

still in the past
1060 $250 (midrange)
1070 $380
1080 $500

present day
2060 $400 (midrange)
2070 $500
2080 $700

in the near future
3050 $400
3060 $500 (midrange)
3070 $700
3080 $1000

next in the near future
4040 $400
4050 $500
4060 $700 (midrange)
4070 $1000
4080 $1500

again next in the near future
5030 $400
5040 $500
5050 $700
5060 $1000 (midrange)
5070 $1500
5080 $2000

again again next in the near future
6030 $500
6040 $700
6050 $1000
6060 $1500 (midrange)
6070 $2000
6080 $2500

It never gonna end

Once again, you still have your $250 mid-range part. It's called 1660Ti.

 

[Zubasa]

The best part about the 2070super is that it gives us a core vs core comparison once 5700xt is out. Same shader count and same memory subsystem. And even clock speed probably going to be similar

Although do note that for the 2070 Super, the core speed settles at 1845.
nVidia GPUs tends to exceed their rated clock speeds, while previous AMD GPUs tends to fall short.
So in pracice the 2070S will have around 100Mhz advantage stock.

This card is excellent because it puts pressure on the VII on the perf / cost ratio, true that VII is also addressed to prosumers, but the alternative could be to cut the price of VII by $ 100 if it is possible considering the cost of hbm2 and put on the market gamer a MI60 with only 16GB hbm2 if this is possible, because I don't think the chip that replaces Vega20 is ready, Arcturus with RDNA2 + RT

Even on AMD's own numbers, RX5700XT is very close or even surpass the Radeon VII in many games shwon.
If anything AMD can just phase out the Radeon VII. There is no point wasting 16GB of HBM2 memory on a gaming card.

 

[londiste]

The best part about the 2070super is that it gives us a core vs core comparison once 5700xt is out. Same shader count and same memory subsystem. And even clock speed probably going to be similar

Actually, it gives us the second data point of a like-for-like comparison - RX5700 vs RTX2070 and RX5700XT vs RTX2070S
Clocks are a mess but surely we can find a way to have both sets of cards run at the same clock speed.
2304:144:64 vs 2304:144:64 - 36 CU/GPC
2560:160:64 vs 2560:160:64 - 40 CU/GPC

 

[bug]

Even on AMD's own numbers, RX5700XT is very close or even surpass the Radeon VII in many games shwon.
If anything AMD can just phase out the Radeon VII. There is no point wasting 16GB of HBM2 memory on a gaming card.

It's hard to do that when Radeon VII never really phased in. It was always a low volume card (remember some countries getting just 5 units at launch?).

 

[Fluffmeister]

I think the Radeon VII was basically just a "we are still here card!" as their then top dog card Vega 64 was getting beat by Nvidia's "midrange" card.

 

[EarthDog]

Price is for the cheapest card I can find on Newegg (have done it like that since forever).
Performance data is for FE indeed, but the difference is small. I know it's not optimal, but there is just no other way. There is no "reference" on the market, they all have at least higher power limit or a different cooler, which increases boosts too.

ok.. got it. Indeed not optimal.

its confusing from other sites who list a static (typically MSRP) price. I never noticed it changing. I searched to get the price for the FE in this review expecting it to be a static and comparable value (instead it's a pc part picker thing. Adding an FE at the would clarify which card it is, performance difference little or not.

Thanks for the clarification on process.

 

[W1zzard]

who list a static (typically MSRP) price

Which is completely inaccurate, because people care about pricing today?

 

[EarthDog]

Which is completely inaccurate, because people care about pricing today?

Your price is already not accurate and the review isnt 24 hours old ($479 unit as of 3 mins ago). At least with a static msrp value listed and noted, users are aware. You can also add newegg/Amazon links in parenthesis with the current lowest price (that Skimbit yo! ). It could also show a price trend which is valuable throughout the review cycle and defines bookends of a trend.

Now I know, for msrp pricing, we need to go to first review.

Edit: is there any other site which uses current for time of the review pricing?

 

[bug]

Which is completely inaccurate, because people care about pricing today?

Yeah, I was going to say that. Some cards hold their value better than others (and then there's Asus), your approach seems to be the most helpful. Sure, FE is a little TDP constraint, but that only means IRL you'll be betting a bit more bang for your buck.

 

[Xaled]

Good card but simply still overpriced.
IMHO The conslusion is too much biased.
Trying to justify the high price of an existing product (2070 super) while asking for a price cut for a product that hasn't been released yet (Rx 5700xt, last paragraph).
You could've wait at least for the release of 5700xt to make such certain statements (e.g. 5700xt will def. not able to match RTX 2070 S, 50$ price increase very justifiable) or at least use much more probability.

 

[akumod77]

Once again, you still have your $250 mid-range part. It's called 1660Ti.

Ok....... what about 6060 (midrange) price then ? Is it gonna be $250 or $1500 ?

 

[bug]

Ok....... what about 6060 (midrange) price then ? Is it gonna be $250 or $1500 ?

I'm not playing this game.

 

[akumod77]

I'm gonna predict 7060 (midrange) gonna to be like $2000 then .......

 

[SIGSEGV]

The RX 5700 XT will definitely not be able to match RTX 2070 Super performance, and we're having doubts about whether thermals or noise will end up being comparable, which could make the $50 price increase to the Super very justifiable for potential customers, or force AMD to reduce their pricing.

oh sh*t, was this your opinion or based fact?
and 500 EUR? lol
sh*t, we really need a true competitor who fights this greedy approach.
I don't think AMD Radeon will match NVIDIA in near future. Oh no, this is a disaster.

edit: both ps5 and XBOX next gen are promising. let's see the red team counter-attack to this f*cking greedines. /endofrant

 

[Xaled]

I'm gonna predict 7060 (midrange) gonna to be like $2000 then .......

No, it would cost much much less, it will cost 1500$ and that would be a good price because it will give the performance of 5080 Ti with a bunch new still-useless only-adopted-by-3-to-5-games features

 

[z1n0x]

The RX 5700 XT will definitely not be able to match RTX 2070 Super performance...

This is really curious statement.

 

[londiste]

RX 5700 XT should be right in the middle of RTX 2070 and RTX 2070 Super:

AMD Patent Shines Raytraced Light on Post-Navi Plans

That's too much. I was looking for the link. This is probably the best one: Well. I stand corrected then, was 5-7% over that :) There's also no 'magical' ray-tracing hardware or software improvements. Ironically there is, we call it rasterization :D Pre cooked RT sans the real time part ;)

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[matar]

Please bring Back Crysis 3 to the list of games for the benchmarks its still a game that stresses even the latest GPUs.

 

[frdmftr]

I think NVIDIA after many years is priced acceptably again. Since the 6XX series we have been getting smaller and smaller GPU dies for the respective series. Looking back you can see the die size of the X80 series cards much smaller than in the past. The 6,9 and 1080 cards all used a mid sized GPU die. I'm sure this was due to the lack of competition. At least with the 980 the smaller die came with a lower price at $550. Going back to the GTX 280 you got a 576mm2 chip for $649 and now 11 years later the 2080S will be a 545mm2 chip for $699. Sure the 480, 580 and 680 were all $500 but Firmi had issues (and competition) and the 680 was a 294mm2 chip.

Before anyone calls me a green fan boy two things. I have not owned a NVIDIA card since my GTX 260 and two; when the 1080 series came out I posted on on these very forums how NVIDIA was hosing us by charging $600 for a 314mm2 GPU.

Anyone who bought a 1080 has every right to complain about pricing, paying $600+ for a chip size that historically sold in the $2-300 range was hosed IMO.

 

[erixx]

2080 Super review out! https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-rtx-2080-super-jetstream/

Spoiler: Lots of!

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER Specs

NVIDIA TU104, 1815 MHz, 3072 Cores, 192 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1937 MHz, 256 bit

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