AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT

[Nima]

Navi is the first AMD GPU that did not disappoint in recent years but still I would pick 2060 Super over 5700XT any day. it might be slightly slower but it is more efficient, more overclockable, runs cooler and supports RT. I wonder what will happen to GPUs that lack RT support after next gen consoles appear next year. will they become completely useless? as Digital foundry mentioned about ray tracing in their review " You will have two consoles out there with ray tracing support and console utilization of that feature means what is now an interesting value added effect, transforms into part of the base design for multi format games, I kinda want this feature in a GPU I'm buying today".

 

[Restless_Hero]

Yeah right, everyone was expecting a 5% deficit at least. That it has a 5% lead is a massive turn up for the books.

Custom cards will be the way to go.

No, it was fairly obvious from the start that the XT would perform more or less in line with the vanilla 2070 (and thus a tad faster than the 2060S). The way things stand now, I can't think of a single reason to go for the red card which is clearly inferior feature-wise and runs red-hot out of the box with literally no extra room for overclocking. Zen 2 CPUs, on the other hand, appear a really strong product, so it's quite likely my next build will be an AMD+Nvidia combo for the first time in my life.

 

[Xaled]

Giving an overpriced card like 2060 Super gold award while again asking for a lower price for a card that kicks it's ass.

İmo AMD should once again stop sending review samples to TPU for while.

 

[0x4452]

The charts need to highlight the Supers, not the 2070. Unfair to compare to last year's model, not the current one.

 

[Restless_Hero]

Giving an overpriced card like 2060 Super gold award while again asking for a lower price for a card that kicks it's ass.

İmo AMD should once again stop sending review samples to TPU for while.

Being literally 10 TIMES twice (kudos to jabbadap for explaining how the loudness scale works) louder under load than RTX 2070S is simply unacceptable by itself, I think. This may well get fixed once AIB versions are available, but the card appears unsellable to me as is.

 

[15th Warlock]

The charts need to highlight the Supers, not the 2070. Unfair to compare to last year's model, not the current one.

Not unfair from a price perspective, and 2070s are still available to purchase, so they're a legitimate contender to this card.

Nvidia will have to lower the price of available 2070 stock, pointless to buy a 2070 at a higher price than 5700XT, unless all you care about is RTX, but still, from a price/performance point of view, that card was just annihilated by the 5700XT.

 

[Deleted member 158293]

Hmm... Struggling on ordering 50th Anniversary Edition, or waiting for Sapphire custom card in a while... decisions, decisions...

 

[kings]

Overall slower than the new 2070 Super, but also cheaper!

It will depend on the sales we catch on both brands and the importance or not that each one will give to the Ray Tracing factor.

As happened with Vega 56 vs. Vega 64, the 5700 XT seems to have been stretched beyond its sweet spot, the 5700 in performance/watt is a lot better!

Overall, solid cards from AMD and more or less matching Turing efficiency, despite the 7nm vs 12nm situation.

Interestingly, now, unlike what some people did with the RTX Super, no one complains about AMD showing the middle finger to the Radeon VII owners. A $699 card with 5 months of market and now is virtually irrelevant to a $399 card.

 

[15th Warlock]

Overall slower than the new 2070 Super, but also cheaper!

It will depend on the sales we catch on both brands and the importance or not that each one will give to the Ray Tracing factor.

As happened with Vega 56 vs. Vega 64, the 5700 XT seems to have been stretched beyond its sweet spot, the 5700 in performance/watt is a lot better!

Overall, solid cards from AMD and more or less matching Turing efficiency, despite the 7nm vs 12nm situation.

Interestingly, now, unlike what some people did with the RTX Super, no one complains about AMD showing the middle finger to the Radeon VII owners. A $699 card that is 5 months of market and now is virtually irrelevant to a $399 card.

Gotta agree with that, the Radeon VII was always a Halo product based on a now obsolete architecture, the performance is there, but at the wrong price.

 

[dicktracy]

Needs another price drop for that crappy blower

 

[Shatun_Bear]

The charts need to highlight the Supers, not the 2070. Unfair to compare to last year's model, not the current one.

Getting desperate huh? No, it's not unfair when you look at the PRICE of each of these cards.

 

[EarthDog]

It's a good thing these are cheaper.

Slower than the super by 10%... more power use, louder, no RT (whatever that is worth).

2060 super is 5% slower and a lot cheaper uses way less power has RT, etc..


Edit: How pricing is listed here is ridiculous though....gotta go msrp as listing the 'cheapest you can find it'means little to the rest of the world.

 

[Solaris17]

It's a good thing these are cheaper.

Slower than the super by 10%... more power use, louder, no RT (whatever that is worth).

Honestly, I am excited, like really happy for them. Both Zen2 as well. Though TBH I am looking at the numbers in a diff light. AMD may be behind yet still. but IMO the gap closure since ZEN is significant. Mind you they have been more than 10% behind since like what 2007? earlier? This is a win IMO even if they arent stormtrooping Intel or nvidias offerings. We are witnessing them as a company get much stronger. I am not even saying they will ever beat Intel or AMD, but the competition this will offer will do the market as a whole a favor.

Specifically OEMs and Server space I am talking about. Gamers and Enthusiasts always want the "Best" and rarely settle for second. But Dell saving $40-$100 per unit when they produce tens of thousands of a specific model per quarter is significant. And your brother in law doesn't give a shit he only plays farmville.

Not you @EarthDog specifically, but just a disclosure before anyone is dumb enough to quote me for bias you should really check my system specs.

 

[jabbadap]

Being literally 10 TIMES louder under load than RTX 2070S is simply unacceptable by itself, I think. This may well get fixed once AIB versions are available, but the card appears unsellable to me as is.

Decibels does not work that way. But yeah too many weak points to win any awards. Custom AIB models will definitely win a couple: quieter, drivers will be more mature, OC will be actually possible etc. After Radeon VII three fan design, blower reference card is a annoying step backwards.

 

[EarthDog]

10x the wattage for 2x the appeared loudness is I believe how it works.

Honestly, I am excited, like really happy for them. Both Zen2 as well. Though TBH I am looking at the numbers in a diff light. AMD may be behind yet still. but IMO the gap closure since ZEN is significant. Mind you they have been more than 10% behind since like what 2007? earlier? This is a win IMO even if they arent stormtrooping Intel or nvidias offerings. We are witnessing them as a company get much stronger. I am not even saying they will ever beat Intel or AMD, but the competition this will offer will do the market as a whole a favor.

Specifically OEMs and Server space I am talking about. Gamers and Enthusiasts always want the "Best" and rarely settle for second. But Dell saving $40-$100 per unit when they produce tens of thousands of a specific model per quarter is significant. And your brother in law doesn't give a shit he only plays farmville.

Not you @EarthDog specifically, but just a disclosure before anyone is dumb enough to quote me for bias you should really check my system specs.

the CPUs are huge.... they just cant overclock worth a hoot. Not a big deal...

The gpus are lack luster... and the way that the pricing is listed here, IMO, really isnt fair to anyone. MSRP vs. 'current lowest' pricing. Let the reader go look for pricing for their own country and use like values in MSRP. If he wants, he can list current lowest pricing with a link and get some skimbit love too...best of both worlds.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

No, it was fairly obvious from the start that the XT would perform more or less in line with the vanilla 2070 (and thus a tad faster than the 2060S). The way things stand now, I can't think of a single reason to go for the red card which is clearly inferior feature-wise and runs red-hot out of the box with literally no extra room for overclocking. Zen 2 CPUs, on the other hand, appear a really strong product, so it's quite likely my next build will be an AMD+Nvidia combo for the first time in my life.

No, no no don't give me that bullcr*p, when AMD showed performance comparable to the 2070 initially literally everyone was expecting it to be a few percent slower in reality or clearly slower, not faster. That is a punch to the throat of all the Nvidia fanboys that were gloating already that Navi couldn't compete with Turing let alone the Turing refresh.

Well here's news for you guys - it doesn't just compete with Turing, it beats it decisively in performance!

 

[EarthDog]

No, no no don't give me that bullcr*p, when AMD showed performance comparable to the 2070 initially literally everyone was expecting it to be a few percent slower in reality or clearly slower, not 5% faster. That is a punch to the throat of all the Nvidia fanboys that were gloating already that Navi couldn't compete with Turing let alone the Turing refresh.

Well here's news for you guys - it doesn't just compete with Turing, it beats it decisively in performance!

Read the review man.. the XT is 2% faster at 2560x1440 on average. 1% at 1080p... I'd call that margin of error... but it's not 5% (unless I missed some context) compared to the 2070... it is 5% faster than the 2060 super which costs the same (not msrp though).

Edit their slide showed it FASTER...

 

[Restless_Hero]

Decibels does not work that way. But yeah too many weak points to win any awards. Custom AIB models will definitely win a couple: quieter, drivers will be more mature, OC will be actually possible etc. After Radeon VII three fan design, blower reference card is a annoying step backwards.

From what I know, we're talking about the decimal logarithm scale here, where a 10-point increase corresponds to a change in sound pressure by a factor of 10.
I do hope that non-reference Navi cards will end up more compelling. While I'm an Nvidia user, it's always nice for consumers to see some real competition.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Look at that ungimped (yeah, don't pretend there's not a ton of nvidia gimping in a lot games) performance O_O If this doesn't impress you, then idk what to say.

 

[skline00]

Especially with the latest price drop, the AMD gpus are now competitive with Nvidia in the mid to upper range.

 

[EarthDog]

Especially with the latest price drop, the AMD gpus are now competitive with Nvidia in the mid to upper range.

This isnt upper range. They dont have anything that competes with a 2080 or 2080ti...what most consider high end.

 

[jabbadap]

From what I know, we're talking about the decimal logarithm scale here, where a 10-point increase corresponds to a change in sound pressure by a factor of 10.
I do hope that non-reference Navi cards will end up more compelling. While I'm an Nvidia user, it's always nice for consumers to see some real competition.

Sound pressure is doubling every +6dBA. Human hearing psychoacoustic loudness is doubling every 10dBA. So 10dBA more is twice as loud.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Read the review man.. the XT is 2% faster at 2560x1440 on average. 1% at 1080p... I'd call that margin of error... but it's not 5% (unless I missed some context) compared to the 2070... it is 5% faster than the 2060 super which costs the same (not msrp though).

Edit their slide showed it FASTER...

It's still faster than the 2070. Point still stands, people were expecting 5-10% slower for sure.

 

[EarthDog]

It's still faster than the 2070. Point still stands, people were expecting 5-10% slower for sure.

They were??? I know some said they were cherry picked... and judging by tpus results, their slides are a coupe percent faster... so there is some truth to it.

1-2%... beats decidedly... thanks for the chuckle.

 

[Restless_Hero]

Sound pressure is doubling every +6dBA. Human hearing psychoacoustic loudness is doubling every 10dBA. So 10dBA more is twice as loud.

Thanks for the info, always nice to learn something new.