RyZen 3000 Boost Issue: What's your take?

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I must say that I do like the way Nvidia approaches boost; the way they market it, its like it just keeps on giving, royally boosting above spec.

With most others, boost feels like a weird trick of the mind indeed.

It is better described ,marketed and i agree with the rest.

 

[biffzinker]

This is why we have laws. As much as I hate to say, lawyers need to get on this for another class action law suit. False advertising should never be tolerated.

Well then get after Intel for advertising 95 watts for the i9-9900K when in fact the CPU far exceeds the specified 95 watts unless you like a gimped CPU. Should I mention security sidelined in favor of absolute performance?

 

[Eskimonster]

I want to see more winversion comparing to deside whats up.
I hear win 1908 is the one you need.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

Well then get after Intel for advertising 95 watts for the i9-9900K when in fact the CPU far exceeds the specified 95 watts unless you like a gimped CPU. Should I mention security sidelined in favor of absolute performance?

Feel free to start a thread/poll on that.

I don't buy that mentality of "It's OK for company B to do bad things because company A did bad things"

 

[biffzinker]

I don't buy that mentality of "It's OK for company B to do bad things because company A did bad things"

Hey now you said it yourself, "False advertising should never be tolerated." I honesty don't care who is misrepresenting their product. If AMD should be sued for false advertising so be it. In that case however Intel shouldn't be allowed to misrepresent their product to the consumer as well. Which it turns out has been going on for how long?

 

[Deleted member 50521]

Hey now you said it yourself, "False advertising should never be tolerated." I honesty don't care who is misrepresenting their product. If AMD should be sued for false advertising so be it. In that case however Intel shouldn't be allowed to misrepresent their product to the consumer as well. Which it turns out has been going on for how long?

Read thread title, this thread is about AMD's RyZen 3000 boost BS. Wanna talk about Intel's TDP BS then feel free to start your own thread/poll on that. I will be happy to discuss with you over there. Totally agree on Intel playing shady all these years. At the same time it is not an excuse for downplaying AMD's problem right now.

 

[Fouquin]

My 3600X successfully reaches 4.4GHz at times despite the cooling and power limitations of the ITX form factor it's strapped to, no complaints from me.

 

[Nordic]

you do realise GPu's have boost values rated in this way and Nvidia started it, I am not keen myself but hang them all or none for it, many describe that max Turbo/boost game clock whatever exactly the same but at the end of the day what do they all do, boost within your systems power and cooling envelope to the max If it can and drop when the going gets tough, who else ISNT making chips this way.
The Marketing sucks again not the only company passing off nonesense. IMHO.

The problem is that for 94% of 3900x users do not at all reach the advertised boost clocks at all, and it isn't because of power or heat constraints. Mine for example just hits a hard wall at 4525mhz, which appears to be pretty common.

 

[TheMadDutchDude]

This has turned out to be a much larger issue than initially anticipated.

Roman released his results from his audience in this video:

I've yet to watch it, but I am curious (and will watch in my nightly routine... hah!)

 

[Wavetrex]

Let's redo all these tests during winter, ok ?
I'm quite sure at that time the exact opposite results will come up: 95% of the CPUs do reach the advertised boosts, while 5% do not.

it is the new reality of today's self-overclocking processors (GPU, CPU), temperature is a thing.

Here where I live, when it's raining and chilly at night that I need to actually put a sweater on... my R7-3700X goes to 4.4 Ghz a lot. With PBO I've even seen it at 4.525 !
But during the last week's heatwave, it wasn't even touching 4.25 ....
That 15 degrees difference in my room temp (15 night vs 30 day) was enough to add or subtract 200Mhz of my CPU's clocks.

Steve from GamersNexus was one of the first to put a video about this.

(He was talking about all-core overclock level, however the automatic boost ALSO depends totally on temperature!)

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AMD's mistake was omitting this aspect in their presentations

This is what it should say on the slide:
Ryzen 9 3900X - Max boost 4600Mhz at 20 degrees ambient with fan curve on "Turbo" (or aftermarket cooler capable of 150W TDP)

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Unfortunately derb8er completely neglected this aspect in his poll.
With added question: What is your ambient temp during testing?
- under 15 °C (I live in Siberia)
- 19 °C (AC on - I like it cold)
- 23 °C (Nice and pleasant)
- 28 °C (I'm poor and no AC)
- 35+ °C (Please kill me!)

I'm 99% convinced everyone with lower boosts have higher ambient, or they simply like a warm room where they use their PC, while those that did boost at advertised or higher live in colder climates.
And the reason most CPU's in the poll did not boost at advertised, is because probably most results come from Europe or USA, where right now it's a hot summer with plenty of heatwaves.

 

[Xzibit]

I'm just curious why Roman didn't use his resources (CaseKing) to test his theory.

The only real take away from the survey was people liked 3700X the most.

He lost me when he started comparing his survey results to Hardware Unboxed. Controlled testing vs Online questions.

 

[johnny-r]

My AMD Ryzen 3600 gets 4200mhz all cores, 4199.02 give and take to be precise, on CPU boost enabled and a standard XMP profile, no complaints from my side...

 

[TheLostSwede]

False advertising is false advertising. Do not sugar coat wrong doings simply because "meh underdog AMD" As a multi-million for profit company AMD had every chance to decide what to put on their spec sheet regarding final clock speed. They choose to lie, and that is unacceptable.

This is why we have laws. As much as I hate to say, lawyers need to get on this for another class action law suit. False advertising should never be tolerated.

Maybe give AMD another couple of months to try and solve this first? I mean, I've gone from hard locked at 4,400.25MHz on my 3800X, to boosting to 4,525.3MHz, which apparently puts me in a rather exclusive group based on der8auer's fairly small 3800X sample size. Even so, it goes to show that the board makers are clearly working on solving this issue, regardless of what Shamino is saying.

 

[Frick]

Maybe give AMD another couple of months to try and solve this first? I mean, I've gone from hard locked at 4,400.25MHz on my 3800X, to boosting to 4,525.3MHz, which apparently puts me in a rather exclusive group based on der8auer's fairly small 3800X sample size. Even so, it goes to show that the board makers are clearly working on solving this issue, regardless of what Shamino is saying.

But by then the issue might be resolved, and then we'll have nothing to talk about.

 

[biffzinker]

then we'll have nothing to talk about.

There's always Microsoft, Intel, Nvidia, Radeon Technology Group

 

[tfdsaf]

My 3600 crashes when I do this.

Current all core boost = 3.9
single core boost = 4.1
load voltage 1.35
idle voltage 1.45-1.5

Updates bios and chipset driver as well as changing the bios config. Still have the same issues.

Switch to Windows balanced plan, it fixes the idle high voltages for some people.

 

[Frick]

Feel free to start a thread/poll on that.

I don't buy that mentality of "It's OK for company B to do bad things because company A did bad things"

Aye whataboutism is the death (or a death anyway, it's more of a thousand cuts kid of deal) of discourse.

 

[biffzinker]

Switch to Windows balanced plan, it fixes the idle high voltages for some people.

The idle voltage drops but now the CPU is less responsive to boosting in relation to sudden short bursts of activity.

 

[Chomiq]

I followed this guide to set up my rig:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cnoxgy

Idle temps around 38-39 with Ryzen Master. As for voltages - anything else running in the background will spike the result. I.e. task manager, CPU-Z and Ryzen Master, Firefox, etc. My take is - stop worrying about voltages. In the end most of it is down to UEFI updates from mobo manufacturers and AGESA updates from AMD.

 

[Roddey]

Well my 3800x has been able to boost to 4.5 on the first 4 cores(that is if I dont mess with anything, if I do then all bets off) and the benchmarks show it above the average 3800x and on Ryzen fast performance plan the voltages idle down to .3 volt , so no complaints here. Everything is at default except for the ram timings and speed. Changing anything else doesn't seem to help with the amount of knowledge I have.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Feel free to start a thread/poll on that.

I don't buy that mentality of "It's OK for company B to do bad things because company A did bad things"

Yet no one can show us a post of you lamenting Intel or Nvidia for the same issues, I didn't look long though tbf.
Funny how the most offended often have the least invested in the issue though.

 

[Roddey]

Well my 3800x has been able to boost to 4.5 on the first 4 cores(that is if I dont mess with anything, if I do then all bets off) and the benchmarks show it above the average 3800x and on Ryzen fast performance plan the voltages idle down to .3 volt , so no complaints here. Everything is at default except for the ram timings and speed. Changing anything else doesn't seem to help with the amount of knowledge I have.

The settings in Ryzen Master or the bios that I fiddled around with either bring scores down or just dont work. Like trying to change flck or go above 3600mhz for the ram. I don't seem to have the patient to go beyond basic settings. Resetting cmos is no fun. The only thing I have found to bring the benchmark scores up after the ram changes is ambient temp. I have chilled the room down till I was getting cold and seen the scores go up.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I followed this guide to set up my rig:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cnoxgy

Idle temps around 38-39 with Ryzen Master. As for voltages - anything else running in the background will spike the result. I.e. task manager, CPU-Z and Ryzen Master, Firefox, etc. My take is - stop worrying about voltages. In the end most of it is down to UEFI updates from mobo manufacturers and AGESA updates from AMD.

I don't even have half of those settings in my UEFI, nor have I ever seen them in any earlier version. Makes you wonder if the poster really has the claimed hardware...

The settings in Ryzen Master or the bios that I fiddled around with either bring scores down or just dont work for me. Like trying to change flck or go above 3600mhz for the ram. I don't seem to have the patient to go beyond basic settings. Resetting cmos is no fun. The only thing I have found to bring the benchmark scores up after the ram changes is ambient temp. I have chilled the room down till I was getting cold and seen the scores go up.

I have changed very few settings in the UEFI. Let me grab a full set of screenshots to share here. Admittedly different brand, but even so. That said, it's taken a dozen or so UEFI updates to get me to this stage.

 

[Chomiq]

I don't even have half of those settings in my UEFI, nor have I ever seen them in any earlier version. Makes you wonder if the poster really has the claimed hardware...

The only thing that's missing is Cool 'n Quiet, rest is there. For Elite the only difference is that you can't set clock control to .01 as it accepts 100.01 as 101 Mhz.

 

[Roddey]

I don't even have half of those settings in my UEFI, nor have I ever seen them in any earlier version. Makes you wonder if the poster really has the claimed hardware...


I have changed very few settings in the UEFI. Let me grab a full set of screenshots to share here. Admittedly different brand, but even so. That said, it's taken a dozen or so UEFI updates to get me to this stage.

OK sure. Thanks.