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Not really. In fact lately he's been a big supporter of AMD. One of his main systems is Ryzen based.

And there's an example of individual perspective.

Sorry he shits on Radeons and AMDs handling of Radeons a little too often.

His biases are real and on display.

He directly negotiates with companies for cash for views. He has personal relationships with people at those companies and more than a few have mentioned that how you treat those companies products directly affects the yearly advertising contracts. Steve has bills and employees.

He acquired $20,000 in free V100s. He suddenly treats a gimpy 2060 very differently than any other card...

He can only give two shits about workstation performance on team green hardware...

Yeah no bias at all... :laugh:

But he's got self righteous indignation and he throws bitch fits about he's better than any of that. He isn't human and he isn't subject to basic human psychology...

He doesn't rage about his image. He's blind to how stacking nothing but NV boxes and GPUs on set would convey to viewers while slipping in cheap shots about how it mustn't be Asus's fault but actually AMDs for the Strix 5700XT while he convienently avoids bringing up the too long of screws so the cooler pulls off the GPU.

Nah no bias at all... Oh that video went up days after Hardware Unboxed actually reported it properly.

I won't lie Steve does good work, but he isn't a single source. No one ever is, I view a few of his vids a month, mostly the news ones because he does cover some things that I might miss. So it's helpful that way.
 
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His self righteous attitude is really turning me off of him though. It is bordering on dishonesty in my opinion.

It was a running theme on some of the videos that the viewer should be thankful because GN is doing its job and reviewing the products.

Ah, but you're missing part of the point, entertainment. For example, I find Jay very interesting and entertaining. He let's his humanity show without it feeling forced or scripted. His video's are just plain fun. He talks the specs, shows the results of testing and conducts interesting experiments regularly.

Go check his Twitter. Even other YouTubers make fun of Jay for being so toxic. They even made fun of him for it at Linus roast.
 

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Sorry he shits on Radeons and AMDs handling of Radeons a little too often.

His biases are real and on display.

He directly negotiates with companies for cash for views. He has personal relationships with people at those companies and more than a few have mentioned that how you treat those companies products directly affects the yearly advertising contracts. Steve has bills and employees.

He acquired $20,000 in free V100s. He suddenly treats a gimpy 2060 very differently than any other card...

He can only give two shits about workstation performance on team green hardware...

Yeah no bias at all... :laugh:

But he's got self righteous indignation and he throws bitch fits about he's better than any of that. He isn't human and he isn't subject to basic human psychology...

He doesn't rage about his image. He's blind to how stacking nothing but NV boxes and GPUs on set would convey to viewers while slipping in cheap shots about how it mustn't be Asus's fault but actually AMDs for the Strix 5700XT while he convienently avoids bringing up the too long of screws so the cooler pulls off the GPU.

Nah no bias at all... Oh that video went up days after Hardware Unboxed actually reported it properly.

I won't lie Steve does good work, but he isn't a single source. No one ever is, I view a few of his vids a month, mostly the news ones because he does cover some things that I might miss. So it's helpful that way.

No sense in getting riled up over these people, they do this stuff because they get paid to do it. Just don't watch them. Only watch them if they have fixes for something. That goes for LTT, JTC, GN, UB, etc etc.

Arrogance comes before a fall
 
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Keep fanning the flames guys! There is free beer and cheap entertainment. Soon we'll stop being corona free so make it count(turkey)! Let the edge lords meet their doom.
 
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Keep fanning the flames guys! There is free beer and cheap entertainment. Soon we'll stop being corona free so make it count(turkey)! Let the edge lords meet their doom.
I was never a big fan of Corona TBH. People say it's great with the salt and lime and all but tequila, that still is not, so why again? That's just bullshit with a crisp garnishing. Always been more of a Modelo guy if we're talking Mexican piss beer. Corona is either water or mildly funky water. At the very least Modelo tastes like slightly more funky water.

Honestly, I'll be happy to see both of them go. Glad to see people distancing themselves from Corona. I never got why anybody would want to drink that stuff. Bit extreme to cordon people away from it like this though. Hard time getting it off of all of the airplanes or something too? I guess it's making people sick now... I've always said that at some point everyone has to realize that the Chinese have been pissing in clear glass bottles and selling it to us as Mexican beer for decades. People need to wake up. Do your research... before it's too late.
 
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No sense in getting riled up over these people, they do this stuff because they get paid to do it. Just don't watch them. Only watch them if they have fixes for something. That goes for LTT, JTC, GN, UB, etc etc.

Arrogance comes before a fall

That's true, I guess I got a touch testy. I hurt my left wrist pretty badly today and typing that message was pain inducing and it showed.

I'll step away from this.

JTC I envy his case modding skills but I wish he had better taste in cars. :laugh:
 
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First review with the new testing methodology I found it pretty interesting.

At the very least it shows directly how the coolers compare while limiting variables.




I kinda wish they would test with a 9600k/9900k like they're doing with the 2 ryzen processors

That's sort of the issues I have with a lot of cooler reviews they use ancient cpu with toothpaste under the ihs.
 
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First review with the new testing methodology I found it pretty interesting.

At the very least it shows directly how the coolers compare while limiting variables.




I kinda wish they would test with a 9600k/9900k like they're doing with the 2 ryzen processors

That's sort of the issues I have with a lot of cooler reviews they use ancient cpu with toothpaste under the ihs.
Yet apparently even with such complete and thorough testing they didnt notice it has clearance issues on say ITX boards or other boards due to it not conforming from my understanding the Intel keep out zone guidelines.
 
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Yet apparently even with such complete and thorough testing they didnt notice it has clearance issues on say ITX boards or other boards due to it not conforming from my understanding the Intel keep out zone guidelines.

Whoa...

You want him to actually pay attention to why the performance sucks and how it hits the components around the socket...

LoL
 

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Whoa...

You want him to actually pay attention to why the performance sucks and how it hits the components around the socket...

LoL
Well i managed it........ and im apparently not good at my job and test the wrong way so says GN :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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Well i managed it........ and im apparently not good at my job and test the wrong way so says GN :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


I like GN just like I like TPU.... He shouldn't be calling out other peoples test results or methods though its uncalled for.

The consumer of this sort of content should be smart enough to know what scenarios the testing is done in most applies to them.
 
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Tech Jesus used to test Nvidia gpus which showed increasing judder in decrement to the product lineup order as temperature function. No note, of the big saccadic spikes were present in the footnotes.
 
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Well i managed it........ and im apparently not good at my job and test the wrong way so says GN :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I totally referenced your review... :cool:

I like GN just like I like TPU.... He shouldn't be calling out other peoples test results or methods though its uncalled for.

The consumer of this sort of content should be smart enough to know what scenarios the testing is done in most applies to them.

The problem is GN is trying to stamp out references to the competition. He is trying to target the people who think he knows best. The rest of us know better and watch and still go to TPU, other sites/forums and even other YouTubers.

Tech Jesus used to test Nvidia gpus which showed increasing judder in decrement to the product lineup order as temperature function. No note, of the big saccadic spikes were present in the footnotes.

Shhh... You aren't supposed to bring up his rampant Nvidia bias, you'll upset his followers. His word is the truth and his way infallible.

:respect::respect::respect::respect: :peace:
 
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First review with the new testing methodology I found it pretty interesting.

At the very least it shows directly how the coolers compare while limiting variables.




I kinda wish they would test with a 9600k/9900k like they're doing with the 2 ryzen processors

That's sort of the issues I have with a lot of cooler reviews they use ancient cpu with toothpaste under the ihs.
Yet no written review and it's 20 minutes of him dragging out comments.
 
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Yet no written review and it's 20 minutes of him dragging out comments.


Unfortunately I feel like print is slowly dying especially with so many people using ad blockers etc. The other issues is some of my favorite print sites either dying or becoming a joke over the last decade.
I really really liked Tom's Hardware back in the early to mid 2000s even prior to building my first custom pc and now they are a shell of their former self imo.

Other than TPU I really only like anandtech these days although some of the headline stories here make me roll my eyes but you get that with every site unfortunately trying to get clicks.
 

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This iis what kinda pisses me off with this place, so much hate and don't see any of you who are bitching trying to make video's for TPU, trying to keep bringing up less done stuff or put a fresh look on things gets harder over time even more so when you have to watch every word you say never mind the other ton of youtube rules.
 

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Anyway GN is full of nonesense. I will just leave this link here cause people seem to have forgot them. http://www.frostytech.com/testmethod_mk2.cfm

Looks super similar been around forever. Literally read the above link then watch the GN video......... :roll: :nutkick: :toast:

 
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Unfortunately I feel like print is slowly dying especially with so many people using ad blockers etc. The other issues is some of my favorite print sites either dying or becoming a joke over the last decade.
I really really liked Tom's Hardware back in the early to mid 2000s even prior to building my first custom pc and now they are a shell of their former self imo.

Other than TPU I really only like anandtech these days although some of the headline stories here make me roll my eyes but you get that with every site unfortunately trying to get clicks.
PC building market seems big but in the grand scheme it is pretty niche. Without strong community support they just don't make it. Two pitfalls really... number one is you can't risk putting people off - point out the negatives of a certain product too transparently and you not only risk the audience that doesn't agree, but the people who make it may be unwilling to work with you... and on an increasingly strained budget, that can hurt. So they shy away from certain things and make thier communities hyper-inclusive, at total expense to overall SnR and long-term engagement. Idiots come and go, and that's enough engagement to drive them along. The other side of that is how hard it is to sincerely engage an audience to the point where they can't imagine you not being there. Honestly there are too many people in the tech journo game and not enough bread to serve the table. So we wind up with two kinds of bad situations. We have ones that go all in on just getting the draw with cheap, hollow garbage... at the expense of meaningful content and the culture surrounding the hobby. And then, we have the ones who act like nobody can do any wrong. They will make inappropriate comparisons to make a product look good, when it doesn't otherwise and generally take the stance that everything is different flavors of good - everything is 8-10 stars! Should you buy it? "If you want it the answer is always yes!" They fill the whole thing up with people that have toxic and misguided mindsets. That shapes their buying habits. And the buying habits help determine what's available and at what price.

GN is contrary to the latter, but to me is becoming the other side of the coin. They don't need free stuff and special access... they just need enough people to believe in what they are doing. And they know people will favor them over everyone else. They're banking on other people seeing the over-positive attitudes and feeding on the disdain born of it. It's smart. They have their finger on the pulse. I don't think it does a whole lot of good in the grand scheme... they're just playing the same game. But their success with it speaks to the state of things. And there are doubtless better ways to capitalize on that unrest. I used to like how they weren't afraid to put manufacturers out on their ass. But then they wore that like a badge of honor, like somehow that's how things are supposed to be. And I think that's part of a bigger problem, so I'm out.

Anywho... with the saturation of crap like that, it gives the whole thing a bad name and none of the staunchest enthusiasts, the people who would be around supporting them for years, want anything to do with the whole affair. They grab what they need and get out, because at the end of the day a lot of it is hollow and the communities that form around them kinda suck. The full adoption of adblockers is a huge blow to everyone, good and bad. But to me those ads are the only reason subpar content ever made it through to begin with. Now, everyone will have to find other ways to stick around. Half-full/half-empty. Some will take the high road, others will take the low road. You can stand out taking the high road. It's just harder to do successfully. But that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people out there who are tired of shitshows in all manners of color and firmness.

I'm trying to be hopeful that after a falloff, when only the people that care are left, there will still be enough people willing to go out there and actually do something different. It's just a matter of who can find a model that works. Somebody's gonna know. Written media isn't going anywhere IMO. It is the cheapest, quickest thing to produce. I think all of this video stuff is a bubble waiting to pop. There is always going to be a need for people who can write compellingly and compile information effectively. Youtube still isn't exactly a safe place to make money, either. And often the things you have to do are detrimental to you, or have nothing to do with what you actually do. That can't last. People on both sides are going to tire of that eventually. It's still kind of new to everyone. Judging by general attitudes, that is indeed coming. "Youtuber" is such a dirty word now. And it's different from before, when nobody thought it was a real job. They know it's a real job. They just hate them for that job. What it is and what it actually adds to things.

Just mechanically speaking, writing has the capacity to reach the largest number of people. I say let the ones who actually care enough to do it, do it, and let everyone else jump ship for the new shit. Let em go. The quality/quantity ratio fell off a long time ago. We're hitting a point where you gotta be pretty special to stay around with text. Which on one hand is sad and scary, and likely to cause a lot of damage, but on the other hand might be exactly the distillation we need. Not sayin I'm happy about it.

At some point you've got to wonder who's to blame for it. If you ask me, we all need to change our habits in terms of what we give our time and money to. I'm guilty of being uselessly judgemental - I'm a picky bastard. I just don't like things. I don't get why people like all of these things and stuff that are objectively terrible. :rolleyes: But I do try to support the things I like, which is why I buy into TPU. I think that's pretty much gonna have to be how it is... for everyone. And there needs to be an understanding with audiences that this stuff was NEVER free. Advertising has made us all almost completely oblivious to that. At some point the wake-up call is going to be a real bitch.

People aren't dumb. We'll all be on the same page with it eventually.

One thing that will never change are younger audiences. But the thing about young audiences is that they don't have a lot of disposable income. And inevitably they get older, more cynical, and increasingly more fed up with everything. But they have more to give for things that do interest them. But as it stands right now, there's little out there that's really FOR them, you know? Everyone shoots for the moon going for that young gamer market. Nobody's looking much at the people who are past that point.

I dunno... can't pretend to have any answers to it. Random thoughts on the state of the internet. We're kind of in a weird place. I think things are changing again just like they did roughly 10 years ago. No telling what comes next. Big gains and big losses are a guarantee though. I'm holding out for whatever comes next. Been around long enough to know that it doesn't take long before we're looking at a totally different internet. The landscape is always going through these huge shifts because of how fast information moves.
 
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This iis what kinda pisses me off with this place, so much hate and don't see any of you who are bitching trying to make video's for TPU, trying to keep bringing up less done stuff or put a fresh look on things gets harder over time even more so when you have to watch every word you say never mind the other ton of youtube rules.

Nah... No I'm not going out of my way to build over built loop, so I can do real thermal testing and proudly trotting myself out to Wizz to let me post the content here.

Geez... I actually dislike videos. Give me text and photos any damn day.

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The EGO is growing with more "likes" as usual. I watch this and that, listen to their conclusions but it would seem, they are not always right and sometimes they go overboard with their "ideas" of how things should look like. You can listen and watch but you got your own brain to process stuff right?
 
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The problem I see with this and the reason I do not watch everything that GN makes is for me "Tech Jesus" has become intoxicated by the fumes of his own conceit. He is not alone as there are a few other channels that exhibit this type of behaviour.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
The consumer of this sort of content should be smart enough to know what scenarios the testing is done in most applies to them.
That's the problem though... a majority of consumers are do not know enough to make that call and rely on reviews to cover things the right way. Hell, half the people here don't know the 'best' way to do some things.

In the end, I think his method improved on some things and is off on others.
 
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GN made that jump a while ago but I don't recall Linus ever saying that (I'm not doubting he did say it)
? The last AskGN had Steve outright saying he never wants to be as big and all-encompassing as Linus is, and that he's glad Linus does what he does so that GN doesn't have to.
 
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