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[AsRock]

Personally i think it's a good idea to have a fixed heat source to find how efficient a cooler can be, although i do hope they use the original fan and others too just to see if their is a better fan than the one that comes with the cooler.


So much hate

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

The problem is we have seen this testing before with TECs used etc. and I can tell you having reviewed the same coolers retested them on multiple platforms the results you get on TEC might show you how efficient a cooler is but it doesnt translate to reality in an actual system. As pointed out above Frosty Tech used a setup very similar to what GN is now going to use. The real world results vs TEC results are quite a bit different. I got no problem with GN doing things that way and its a valid test method for determining the true efficiency of a product but if the results don't mimic reality they aren't really all that useful. Interesting but not really applicable.

 

[eidairaman1]

The problem is we have seen this testing before with TECs used etc. and I can tell you having reviewed the same coolers retested them on multiple platforms the results you get on TEC might show you how efficient a cooler is but it doesnt translate to reality in an actual system. As pointed out above Frosty Tech used a setup very similar to what GN is now going to use. The real world results vs TEC results are quite a bit different. I got no problem with GN doing things that way and its a valid test method for determining the true efficiency of a product but if the results don't mimic reality they aren't really all that useful. Interesting but not really applicable.

Id Like to have a peltier myself but I would need a fireloop and a thermal relay layout to prevent melting of wires lol

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

Put another way having done pre production testing on various coolers to determine performance and validate it before moving to final production there is a reason manufacturers seek out testing data on systems rather than using TECs etc.

 

[mtcn77]

I see circular logic again and again. Reference fans will only displace the issue to an upper level. Two heatsinks with the same fans do not provide the same cooling, nor the sound volume. You have to assess turbulence point and infer from that whether the cooling capacity is in quiet mode, or loud. Do it for every cooler and there goes any semblance for serial testing.

 

[Vayra86]

They have developed a new pipeline, i see it as good for consumers: for folks wanting more data and stringent statistical testing these are great. What is it there to lose? You don’t like it don’t watch it. Yet all i see is just bunch of couch experts attacking based on their own emotional bias. So eager to judge. Calling others “take themselves too seriously” while not bothering looking at their own judgmental attitudes.

I will keep the rest of my thought to myself. You folks go and enjoy.

The problem arises when Tuber in question seeks to disqualify other, FAR more realistic methods of testing gear. And that in and by itself is the poison I and others object to.

Steve aint better or smarter here than the rest, he is just eager for a soundbite that generates clicks snd subs. And THAT is... disgusting. You dont get rich from being modest. But it does gain respect. Steve is beyond that modesty now, and it damages him, that is what I see.

 

[AddSub]

I thought this guy with Jazze2pesos were mostly directed at the GenZ Fortnite crowd, along with the rest of the YouTube "reviewers", no? C'mon, these guys are National Enquirer level of sophistication as far as... let's say, "accuracy" of their content. I recognize some of the names in this thread and I know for a fact some of you are even older than my creaky behind. You should know better.


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[mtcn77]

You aren't doing this to reach above turbulent point. The sound volume becomes loud if the rotor blades start to rip the airflow. Optimal kinetics is when the fin array provides the turbulence, not the fan. So the fan-fin unit already has a resolution - it is the best the fins can do, nothing more.

 

[AsRock]

Id Like to have a peltier myself but I would need a fireloop and a thermal relay layout to prevent melting of wires lol

Good luck with that, some old post came to mind.

What happens when a TEC overheats? Look inside to see.

Well, I had the TEC/water cooling, E4300, and eVGA 680i A1 up and running for all of a day. Didn't even get to overclock. First, the explanation. I recently purchased d44ve's whole TEC setup, E4300, and the 680i, all for $400. As shown here...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[R-T-B]

Good luck with that, some old post came to mind.

What happens when a TEC overheats? Look inside to see.

Well, I had the TEC/water cooling, E4300, and eVGA 680i A1 up and running for all of a day. Didn't even get to overclock. First, the explanation. I recently purchased d44ve's whole TEC setup, E4300, and the 680i, all for $400. As shown here...

www.techpowerup.com

Epic tech gore right there.

 

[Grog6]

Peltier coolers are not a good idea for daily use.

Stuff like the thread you linked are way too common, and if a peltier shorts or a diode cracks, it doesn't cool and becomes a conductor, which is a heater of however much power it can draw off the PSU.
BTDT.

I got a free Maximus IV based computer from work because the idiot who built it used a peltier cooler, and it failed.
Luckily, the PSU he used only had about 50W of headroom, so it crashed repeatedly instead of catching on fire.

If he'd built it like I do, it would have had a 1000W PSU, and looked like the one in the link, probably.

I got to do a great demo of overclocking and cooling out of that fiasco; I put a copper standard heatsink in a bath of LN2, in a custom tank I built around it.
Then I overclocked the Q6600 to 4.9GHz, while the ln2 boiled happily.

I learned a valuable lesson that day, tho; pouring Liquid helium into LN2 is like pouring water on a stove; it explodes and goes everywhere.
I thought "cold is cold", right?
Yeah; No.
Don't do that; it ruins your cred, lol.

I'm thinking of doing a water cooled system, and putting a peltier in the tank, with a thermal fuse to ensure against any disasters. (Peltier cooling happens separately, outside the tank, obviously)
Thoughts?

 

[phanbuey]

just a normal water chiller is probably better

Peltier coolers are not a good idea for daily use.

Stuff like the thread you linked are way too common, and if a peltier shorts or a diode cracks, it doesn't cool and becomes a conductor, which is a heater of however much power it can draw off the PSU.
BTDT.

I got a free Maximus IV based computer from work because the idiot who built it used a peltier cooler, and it failed.
Luckily, the PSU he used only had about 50W of headroom, so it crashed repeatedly instead of catching on fire.

If he'd built it like I do, it would have had a 1000W PSU, and looked like the one in the link, probably.

I got to do a great demo of overclocking and cooling out of that fiasco; I put a copper standard heatsink in a bath of LN2, in a custom tank I built around it.
Then I overclocked the Q6600 to 4.9GHz, while the ln2 boiled happily.

I learned a valuable lesson that day, tho; pouring Liquid helium into LN2 is like pouring water on a stove; it explodes and goes everywhere.
I thought "cold is cold", right?
Yeah; No.
Don't do that; it ruins your cred, lol.

I'm thinking of doing a water cooled system, and putting a peltier in the tank, with a thermal fuse to ensure against any disasters. (Peltier cooling happens separately, outside the tank, obviously)
Thoughts?

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Just a normal, tiny 72w aquarium chiller is probably better. Keep it cool enough to not condense, but still very cool, and then no maintenance really needed, just regulates itself.

 

[hat]

I agree... chiller is as good as it gets for "normal" use. One of our members @Knoxx29 sees good results with his. Beyond that, you're going into extreme territory where possibly more than just money is flying out the window...

 

[Grog6]

If that chiller fails, the water flowing thru it will go to having a heater at whatever power level is available to it.

Peltiers are great when they work.

Not so much when they fail.

200W cooling becomes 400W heating, in the bad version.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Ahh... Youtube personalities... it causes more bad than good. As usual... ignore them and stick to written media.

There is only one exception for me using video reviews, and that is camera gear... but also there are fanboy personalities that make the whole thing a joke because of a need making clickbaitish articles to gain clicks. The reality is bent just for the sake it.

Nothing is holy. Noctua had been very lazy. And why not, they have a great product that withstands the test of time, poop color or not!

They ain't, I saw an ad, they are selling clothes now too...

 

[sneekypeet]

Ahh... Youtube personalities... it causes more bad than good. As usual... ignore them and stick to written media.

There is only one exception for me using video reviews, and that is camera gear... but also there are fanboy personalities that make the whole thing a joke because of a need making clickbaitish articles to gain clicks. The reality is bent just for the sake it.



They ain't, I saw an ad, they are selling clothes now too...

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Just saying....one of the best sweatshirts I have ever owned though.

 

[phanbuey]

Ahh... Youtube personalities... it causes more bad than good. As usual... ignore them and stick to written media.

There is only one exception for me using video reviews, and that is camera gear... but also there are fanboy personalities that make the whole thing a joke because of a need making clickbaitish articles to gain clicks. The reality is bent just for the sake it.



They ain't, I saw an ad, they are selling clothes now too...

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Noctua Executive - "Guys I just read a business book, and we have to stop thinking of ourselves as just a PC cooling accessory company, we are a THERMAL SOLUTIONS company!"

Engineer "We could make a hoodie...?"

Exectuive - "BRILLIANT!"

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Steve can keep doing Steve, GN is his BBQ. However, I think perhaps, Steve has semi or subconsciously taken the tech jesus moniker far too seriously. He now sees himself as our tech savior, and he has come to preach on the mount. He seems intent that he be crucified and martyred at some point too, if recent content is any indication. Yes, that is said tongue in cheek.

Because there is another subject he covered, that could be humorously attributed to his suffering from a Messiah complex. Other popular tech tubers are advising their audiences to buy now, if any of them have been hesitating on pulling the trigger on a DIY, component, or prebuilt. They council that supply chain disruption could result in scarcity, which historically leads to price increases. And that furthermore, the used market always reacts by increasing prices to capitalize. Sound advice. E.G. I have read SSDs are going to be getting more expensive soon, as much as 40 percent. And prices are still good on most components; don't get me started on PSU pricing lately. Anyways, he is being the contrarian, and it comes off as click bait edge lord stuff. Best case, someone waits and spends the same or slightly less depending on what is being purchased. Worst case, his viewers listen to him, supplies dry up, prices spike, and he will be getting roasted for giving them bad advice. Why risk it, if it wasn't for views/money grubbing? It also felt more like he was addressing the idiotic chattering of the youtube comments section trolls, than his tech tuber contemporaries.

As to his new testing methodology, I give it a firm MEH! It will have no appreciable impact on my purchasing habits.

I will conclude this post by giving props to @robot zombie for the Hardocp comments. They took a lot of flack for talking about the actual game play experience. Every forum I visited, members were flaming them mercilessly for it. They were on the right side of history, and before their time. Like most before their time, they were castigated for it. And I also agree that one of the best uses of benchmarks is for troubleshooting. Being able to reference multiple sites benchmarks, is indispensable, when evaluating potentially faulty or under performing hardware.

 

[Frick]

Good luck with that, some old post came to mind.

What happens when a TEC overheats? Look inside to see.

Well, I had the TEC/water cooling, E4300, and eVGA 680i A1 up and running for all of a day. Didn't even get to overclock. First, the explanation. I recently purchased d44ve's whole TEC setup, E4300, and the 680i, all for $400. As shown here...

www.techpowerup.com

Aww the old guys.

 

[gamefoo21]

Aww the old guys.

Poor man's phase change cooling, is what TECs were. Which of course we're just really more of a 24/7 dry ice cooling system. Those compressors were loud and heavy... LoL

Ahh the good old days... LoL

 

[Palladium]

Ahh... Youtube personalities... it causes more bad than good. As usual... ignore them and stick to written media.

The only modern PC hardware videos I watch now on YT are side-by-side real time FCAT comparisons between hardware A vs B without a single voiceover and selfcam, and even then I skip to the summaries most of the time. Because I can't stand filler and sensationalism.

 

[Xzibit]

Just saying....one of the best sweatshirts I have ever owned though.

Curious if they come with a 6yr warranty and if you grow in or out of a size do they send you a mounting kit for a snug fit ?

 

[lexluthermiester]

The only modern PC hardware videos I watch now on YT are side-by-side real time FCAT comparisons between hardware A vs B without a single voiceover and selfcam, and even then I skip to the summaries most of the time. Because I can't stand filler and sensationalism.

Ah, but you're missing part of the point, entertainment. For example, I find Jay very interesting and entertaining. He let's his humanity show without it feeling forced or scripted. His video's are just plain fun. He talks the specs, shows the results of testing and conducts interesting experiments regularly.

YouTubers are like musicians, not everyone likes every artist/band. You find some you resonate with and roll with them.

 

[gamefoo21]

Ah, but you're missing part of the point, entertainment. For example, I find Jay very interesting and entertaining. He let's his humanity show without it feeling forced or scripted. His video's are just plain fun. He talks the specs, shows the results of testing and conducts interesting experiments regularly.

YouTubers are like musicians, not everyone likes every artist/band. You find some you resonate with and roll with them.

He definitely has a certain level of dislike for AMD he lets slip.

Like if I was in his shoes, I'd likely slip in potshots against the Decepticon twins(Asus) and nVidia, because of the mountains of shit they put me through. LoL

His self righteous attitude is really turning me off of him though. It is bordering on dishonesty in my opinion.

 

[lexluthermiester]

He definitely has a certain level of dislike for AMD he lets slip.

Not really. In fact lately he's been a big supporter of AMD. One of his main systems is Ryzen based.

His self righteous attitude is really turning me off of him though. It is bordering on dishonesty in my opinion.

And there's an example of individual perspective.