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[basco]

that´s vayriachion - i like that shitty brown colour- dont get me wrong plz

ya can see a noctua from miles away- now thats marceting

 

[gamefoo21]

I can understand "normalized" testing for PC cases since most people will add at least one more fan to their case (if not more) but it makes little sense for coolers. You take something like a Scythe Fuma 2 which sells for $60 and decide that the Noctua NF-A12 is your standardized fan. You are now testing a $120 set up for S!@# and giggles because no one is likely going to use it.

So many people buy a case and let it ride. I've had to add intakes so many times or hell tell people to turn fans around so not every fan is an exhaust.

I remember when you would buy high end cpu coolers and none of them came with fans. Those days are long gone, and so many use custom fans so you can't replace them easily or cleanly anymore.

I've never met the guy. I will say this, I find him entertaining but I don't really watch too much of his videos. I do come to his videos knowing it's entertainment first with education for the masses second. It's not an easy gig to pull off and he is probably the most successful tech youtuber/influencer/personality, etc., out there. He built his own studio and has an entire staff, there something to be said for that. I'm sure he knows his stuff but realizes what works for his audience and what puts them to sleep.

Exactly!

that´s vayriachion - i like that shitty brown colour- dont get me wrong plz

ya can see a noctua from miles away- now thats marceting

I like my beige and shit brown fans, damn it!

 

[dirtyferret]

that´s vayriachion - i like that shitty brown colour- dont get me wrong plz

ya can see a noctua from miles away- now thats marceting

to me it's like BMW Green (technically Iceland Green Metallic). I see the color, I already know the make of the car.

 

[gamefoo21]

DoE developed a far better testing procedure than GamersNexus is talking about. Basically, eliminate all variables:
1) Use a Peltier rated for a fixed wattage (e.g. 100, 150, or 200w)
2) Use a single fan with constant voltage (even on designs meant for 2, 3, or 4 fans)
3) place a thermal sensor sandwiched between the two in a constant thermal interface material
This test procedure results in discovering what heatsink is the best.

Further, similarly isolated testing can be used to discover which fan model is best for cooling said heatsink.


But, this is pointless. People use the whole assembly as it ships. There's no reason to change anything. Test the products as they are, like most HSF reviews do.

This actually the best way to test actual thermal interface material performance.

 

[mtcn77]

A12 isn't even the best fan. Thermalright 147A, or Scythe Kaze Flex.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Link to article below as well as the half hour video. It's an impressive feat the amount of times Steve pats himself on the back in video for creating a test procedure that "makes" all other test procedures obsolete and or incorrect.

Why Most Cooler Tests Are Flawed: CPU Cooler Testing Methodology | GamersNexus

Coolers Why Most Cooler Tests Are Flawed: CPU Cooler Testing Methodology March 5, 2020 Last Updated: 2023-11-03 Diving into GN's methods for testing CPU coolers (2020 - 2023 Test Methodology) The Highlights GN's cooler testing has evolved over a decade and thousands of testsNormally, automatic...

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I think Steve sometimes takes himself a bit too seriously.

I fear some of this is complete BS though.

While Steve makes some good points, he also misses the mark on more than a few. So while not complete BS, the article does have some odor to it.

Us Enthusiasts would just buy a Noctua cooler to begin with.

?!? WTH? Noctua is good, but they are far from being the "end-all-be-all of PC cooling" as your comment implies.

Um....no.

I'll echo this.

and if someone thinks linus is a tech guy plz look again at his videos( i am not saying he is not a smart businessman )

That's inaccurate and very unfair. It's like saying that Jay, Steve, Kyle, Paul or even Jerry are not "Tech Guys". Such is a silly statement. They each have their own take and perspective on the industry. Just because that perspective doesn't resonate with some users doesn't invalidate their tech worthiness. Example, David Murray(The 8bit Guy). He is most definitely a tech guy. He specializes in/on retro/older tech but no one can deny him the status of "Tech Expert". Linus is no different. He is an expert in his field much like many other YouTubers and many of the people on this site and all are deserving of recognition.

 

[dirtyferret]

It's like saying that Steve, Kyle, Paul, Jay or even Jerry are not "Tech Guys". Such is a silly statement. They each have their own take and perspective on the industry. Just because that perspective doesn't resonate with some users doesn't invalidate their tech worthiness.

The funny thing is they all attend the LTX expo and try to get Linus in their videos so he obviously has a major factor on how they want to grow and how they try to carve out their specific niche to increase views. Like Jay being the self proclaimed water cooling expert, Steve seems to see himself as the end all be all to tech data. His findings seem to be the definitive answer if something is good or not (at least in his head) but I personally question how his findings back out into real world performance for the user in some of his reviews.

 

[mtcn77]

Linus has been discussed a lot, but his directing is actually better than pewpew the cursor.
PS: and as a salesman he is just as informative as the so called tech journalists.

 

[lexluthermiester]

But, this is pointless. People use the whole assembly as it ships. There's no reason to change anything. Test the products as they are, like most HSF reviews do.

And that is exactly how testing should be done. One can only test a cooler based on the merits of it's actual performance installed in a system.

 

[basco]

if ya like them attention wh.... luther thats fine i would not call ya silly over that.
but for me these are all money makers or businessman- not more not less

 

[mtcn77]

There is only one other thorough breed salesman and that is Logan from TigerDirect, imo. These gentlemen make a class leading example of their efforts.

 

[freeagent]

Screw YouTube reviews.

That is all.

 

[mtcn77]

What is wrong with being a businessman? They talk on point, sorry if it triggers you on your tangents. Fact is, they clear the crux of the matters a lot better than the product marketing teams - they are good for a reason. No nonsense product differentiations are their solid ground.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The funny thing is they all attend the LTX expo and try to get Linus in their videos so he obviously has a major factor on how they want to grow and how they try to carve out their specific niche to increase views.

The thing is, the big tech youtubers band together in support of each other and other techtubers, even though they compete, it's friendly competition. LTT is huge but Linus has created a platform were anyone and everyone is welcome and invited.

Like Jay being the self proclaimed water cooling expert

Let's be fair to Jay, he very much is.

Steve seems to see himself as the end all be all to tech data.

Let's also be fair to Steve, the guy knows how to collate data, but...

His findings seem to be the definitive answer if something is good or not (at least in his head) but I personally question how his findings back out into real world performance for the user in some of his reviews.

... as I said above, he takes himself too seriously sometimes.

if ya like them attention wh.... luther thats fine i would not call ya silly over that.

Didn't mean that as an insult.

but for me these are all money makers or businessman- not more not less

There's nothing wrong with that. Everyone is in the business of making money, LTT is how Linus makes his, Jayz2Cents is how Jay makes his and so on. Just because they are doing it to make money doesn't invalidate what they do, why they do it or how they do it. They've made something they love and are passionate about into a job/career. I say more power to them if they can stay focused on the pulse of the industry.

Screw YouTube reviews.

That is all.

That really says more about you than any of them...

 

[John Naylor]

I find GNs reviews as informative as the newspaper ... I'm talking about the free ones i don't read and line the bottom of the bird cage with. Many of the techniques he describes have long been used by other parties.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Screw YouTube reviews.

That is all.

That's what I was thinking, too. Yeah! I'm not alone.

Spoiler

Everyone just needs to get the hell off youtube and other social media and find better things to do with their time.

Then again, what do I know? I don't know even know who this Linus is and I feel I'm a better person for it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Everyone just needs to get the hell off youtube and other social media and find better things to do with their time.

Why is that? I mean really, just because you don't find value in something doesn't mean it is worthless.

 

[mtcn77]

Where did we get here? Personally, I'm in no loss for deeper scientific inquisition of the matter. These people aren't cohort curators, neither is their field of occupation. If it were up to that, tech would be as boring as news. It is as well-received because of a more relaxed tone of voice. If anything they subserve the need of a younger perspective.

 

[Regeneration]

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this product placement guy? the one who had lots of Nvidia cards on display, when was called on it, started trash talking?

Cooler reviews are fine as long as the room temperature is 100% fixed. The use of thermal chamber is recommended.

 

[mtcn77]

What else, cooling adaptable - turbulence optimised - coolers can only do so much before heat transfer from the coldplate to the heatsink fin array becomes the limiting vector. Now, are we in under any assumption whether they should clear the cooling factor rpm inflection points? How much is too much data that we stop delving any further?
PS: once you clear the turbulence threshold, you will miss your ears.

 

[dirtyferret]

Let's be fair to Jay, he very much is.

Let's also be fair to Steve, the guy knows how to collate data, but...

I'll be very fair to both, they know more about tech then most of the people here (myself included) and they are succeeding in their respective venture.

What is wrong with being a businessman?

Nothing wrong with being a business man its just that their business is selling us (you, me, lex and all the other viewers) through their Adsense account back to youtube based on the length of our viewership so their objective is not so much on how to inform us as it is to make us watch at length their whole video.

 

[sepheronx]

I'll be very fair to both, they know more about tech then most of the people here (myself included) and they are succeeding in their respective venture.

I wouldn't go that far. They don't know tech more than the average computer enthusiast. What they do have is the financial backing to endure various projects that maybe you and I cannot as we aren't sponsored. JayZ (I hate these name styles tbh. Trying to sound like some kind of cheap rapper?) Is rather very childish. But I do appreciate how he does a lot of water-cooling so I may learn something from it. Linus himself is a seller but he has 1 guy on his team (the big fellow) whom is very, very informative and I actually like watching him way more than Linus which is funny cause most people do even if he isnt a showbiz guy but more like us nerds.

I don't always agree with their methods. Many times I'm rather thinking it's silly or dumb or the episode is an advert. But in the end, many of them have some very good content.

But aside some members of this site that rather be arrogant jerks who think they are know it alls and have to be sarcastic in their comments, I still learned far more on this forums from various users here than I did by the YouTube celebs.

 

[mtcn77]

their objective is not so much on how to inform us

Their superior intuition is the reason we watch,

as it is to make us watch at length their whole video.

Not this. They make it look simple. Listen to this: it isn't.

 

[dirtyferret]

But aside some members of this site that rather be arrogant jerks who think they are know it alls and have to be sarcastic in their comments, I still learned far more on this forums from various users here than I did by the YouTube celebs.

My ears are burning!

 

[sepheronx]

My ears are burning!

not saying you. You have been quite nice actually or at least I never noticed anything you said was rude or arrogant. So im not referring to you.