Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Chomiq]

I've been thinking about selling my 3700X afterwards once I get a Vermeer, and trawling online for a 4650G. Anyone have any personal experience with this six-core Renoir middle child? Reputable sellers be selling tray Renoirs on eBay for about $350CAD right now, which is surprisingly okay considering a new 3600 is $275 (which does not pique my specific interest).

Can't be overclocking much with the 32GB CJR kit as it's kind of met its wall at 3800 but the old 16GB 4Gb E-die kit is itching for 1.5V. Renoir seems like it'll let me kill two birds with one stone - 1) enable to me to eliminate the 1070 (which in itself eliminates the biggest source of heat to the DIMMs) from my NCASE so I can also run a second C14S for better CPU and RAM cooling (which in turn improves memory overclocking); 2) overclock the snot out of IF and E-die

So if anyone here can attest to the 4650G's abilities, I'll be dead set on getting one



As in details? Or availability? 1.1.0.0B and C BIOSes seem to be rolling out full force across Asus and GB. Both my B550s took a couple of days after the flagships got theirs, but it's been about two days and they haven't been pulled, so I assume it's the one.

I believe Wendell from level1techs recently did a video on 4750 or something

 

[Mussels]

Did you take a look here first?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/

no, that looks like a total pain in the ass... search doesnt even work on it

 

[TheLostSwede]

no, that looks like a total pain in the ass... search doesnt even work on it

It does, you just need to click on the link in the document. It's some Google limitation. Or you could download it...

 

[tabascosauz]

If you are almost there and just can't get over that hump, dumping more soc voltage will only degrade the chip. There is no good reason to go past 1.1v on soc and more often it can run 1900 IF at less than 1.1v. For example my release week 3900x only needed 1.08v on soc for 1900mhz. My current 3900xt uses the same voltage on soc.

In my exp it could be your timings, something is just too far. On my b-dies at 3800mhz, dram calc calls for cas 15 all around but obviously you can't run cas 15 w/o disabled gear down and power down and my chip/board doesn't like running with gear down off. If set to cas 15, it will run cas 16, which it runs fine with the other timings at 15 and that takes 1.4v. However I could run it at cas 14 TCL, but that requires a lot more voltage around 1.5v. And there are other subtimings that are finicky on my 4 sticks, like tras and trc. Dram calc says I should use tras 30 and trc 48, however that also requires more dram voltage for a reduction in latency that amounts to don't blink. Anyways the point is check your timings, something may be just a hair too far. And I'd add that 3800mhz usually requires around 1.4v so you have room to raise that voltage at least. Like you state your ram is stable at 1.38v but I beg to differ. You are suffering from dram/imc errors which means yo ram isn't stable.

Good advice on the SOC. Ended up going back to 1.1V/1.087V and leaving VDDP and VDDG on auto. By conventional understandings it shouldn't make any sense, since now both VDDGs are usually higher than SOC in practice and SOC needs to be 0.04V greater at all times, but clearly conventional wisdom falls short after all.

I appreciate the help but DRAM is DRAM, IMC is IMC and IF is IF. I'm not trying to run CL14 here, just 3733 16-19-19-37. 3800CL16 isn't DRAM stable, and the symptoms look very different and very obvious there.

The RAM always passes entire days' worth of HCI and hours of TM5 anta777 custom, and the profiles hold up under GPU heat too. Hours on end of P95 large FFT to stress the UMC. No /sfc or chkdsk corruption. Which just leaves the IF, which every single WHEA error in the past 9 months point to as CPU Bus/Interconnect - it's the only one out of the three that does whatever it wants, is unpredictable and cant be conclusively tested.

The new voltages haven't crashed since last week through all the provocations I've tried. We'll see.

I believe Wendell from level1techs recently did a video on 4750 or something

Unfortunately reviews like this aren't really what I'm wanting to know, I'm not gaming on it. I need to know if the 4650G is as good a memory overclocker as the 4750G. Hence why I was curious if anyone has this chip and has done some testing.

In the meantime I put in one of my low profile GT610s in place of my 1070 in my NCASE, so the 3700X works for the time being.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

It seems most Renoir APUs can do 2100 IF without issues, a few can do more, think I read about someone who got 2300 IF stable if I remember correctly. The lower L3 cache really reduces perf a lot vs Xen 2 in both apps and games, even though really fast ram somewhat compensates.

 

[stinger608]

I've been thinking about selling my 3700X

Well, if you do decide to sell it bro, let me know. I'd be interested in it.

 

[thesmokingman]

Good advice on the SOC. Ended up going back to 1.1V/1.087V and leaving VDDP and VDDG on auto. By conventional understandings it shouldn't make any sense, since now both VDDGs are usually higher than SOC in practice and SOC needs to be 0.04V greater at all times, but clearly conventional wisdom falls short after all.

I appreciate the help but DRAM is DRAM, IMC is IMC and IF is IF. I'm not trying to run CL14 here, just 3733 16-19-19-37. 3800CL16 isn't DRAM stable, and the symptoms look very different and very obvious there.

The RAM always passes entire days' worth of HCI and hours of TM5 anta777 custom, and the profiles hold up under GPU heat too. Hours on end of P95 large FFT to stress the UMC. No /sfc or chkdsk corruption. Which just leaves the IF, which every single WHEA error in the past 9 months point to as CPU Bus/Interconnect - it's the only one out of the three that does whatever it wants, is unpredictable and cant be conclusively tested.

The new voltages haven't crashed since last week through all the provocations I've tried. We'll see.

Are you on an Asus ROG board? If so try disabling the memory latency enhancement. It works for me.

 

[tabascosauz]

Are you on an Asus ROG board? If so try disabling the memory latency enhancement. It works for me.

Memory latency enhancement? I'm not familiar with that feature and I'm not on a ROG board. Tried looking up that feature and couldn't find any reference to it anywhere. Are you referring to APE, Asus' MCE equivalent?



I thought most Asus BIOSes were more or less functionally identical regardless of branding?

@thesmokingman yeah it's not in 0805 or the latest 1202 BIOS. I guess they removed it somewhere along the line, or it's ROG-only.

 

[thesmokingman]

Memory latency enhancement? I'm not familiar with that feature and I'm not on a ROG board. Tried looking up that feature and couldn't find any reference to it anywhere. Are you referring to APE, Asus' MCE equivalent?

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I thought most Asus BIOSes were more or less functionally identical regardless of branding?

It's something they added in the newer bios' but it causes IF clocking issues cuz it's tweaking the memory. You can find it under memory timings if your board has it.

 

[Xzibit]

Yesterday they posted the v2 1.1.0.0 C beta for my board. Today they posted v2 1.1.0.0 C final.

Flashy flash flash

 

[Calmmo]

Someone shared this on my discord (they're not his scores either)

I scored 42 457 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 x 1, 16384 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

 

[tabascosauz]

Put down a B&H preorder, as they have a pretty comprehensive ship-to-Canada process that takes care of customs and free reasonably quick shipping.

Ironic that even with Paypal's less-than-generous conversion rate and included customs and duties (~$65USD), it still works out to $2 cheaper than if I could get a 5900X from Memory Express after their markup and sales tax here. And it goes without saying that I can't, ME has no stock, it's in-store only, and I don't have my car this week.

....and Newegg US is sold out of the 5900X and 5950X within 60 seconds of getting the email. Nice.

"Won't be a repeat of Ampere, don't worry"


That being said, the optimization of the N7FF process is insane. Easy 4.4-4.5GHz all-core on the 5900/5950X, while all-core OCing to the same speeds at less than 1.3V on some samples and all at iso-power if not slightly less power than before, and with some insanely good thermals for the 5900X

 

[Durvelle27]

Picked myself up a Ryzen 5 5600X. Decent upgrade over the Ryzen 5 3600 Non-X I had

 

[Mussels]

anyone tested what happens if you run a zen 3 on an older agesa yet?

I'm stuck on Combo PI V1 1.0.0.6 for now, but CBA choosing a new mobo as well as a CPU

 

[ne6togadno]

with Paypal's less-than-generous conversion rate

try this

should give you the option to use card issuer rates (aka bank that issued your card)

 

[Xzibit]

Out of curiosity I was wondering if the AGESA v2 1.1.0.0 C BIOS would allow me to get higher than 1900 IF on my 3700X and no go back to 1900 IF it is.

 

[tabascosauz]

Not sure if this is the typical garbo US-Canada logistics, or availability for high core count SKUs is just this poor in general.

Thank god for B&H preorders and ME not requiring you to pay in advance for in-store pickup, so I can just go with whichever one comes sooner. Guess I'll play with Renoir in the meantime because the 4650G is for sure arriving long before this 5900X.

 

[droopyRO]

Top is 5600X, middle is 2700X, bottom a 8600K@5.1Ghz. 720p Ultra details.
Didn't have time to properly edit the video or play around with the 5600X before i had to leave for work.
PS: the audio popping is from Shadowplay, can't get rid of it.

 

[EarthDog]

Top is 5600X, middle is 2700X, bottom a 8600K@5.1Ghz.

What's with the dramatically different RAM use in these 'similar' tests?

 

[droopyRO]

Different stuff opened in the background. The main idea is that a brand new stock AMD is equal or above an overclocked Intel CPU from 3 years ago. Don't know if that is a good or bad thing

 

[droopyRO]

Another hastily put together clip from DIrt Rally benchmark, 1280x720, ultra preset. The gains are huge from a 2700X to a 5600X in gaming. I wonder how it performs with a powerfull card like a RX 6800 or RTX 3080 in 1440p.

 

[Durvelle27]

It finally arrived

 

[droopyRO]

I upgraded my SSD too with an 5600X and after a fresh install of Windows i can not get the Ryzen Power Plan to show up. The Drivers install but there is no AMD power plan to choose from, do you have this issue ? Win 10x64 2H. Thanks.

 

[tabascosauz]

I upgraded my SSD too with an 5600X and after a fresh install of Windows i can not get the Ryzen Power Plan to show up. The Drivers install but there is no AMD power plan to choose from, do you have this issue ? Win 10x64 2H. Thanks.

@Mussels Crucial is the only way to go for 2x32GB, no contest:

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Crucial Gaming products | High-performance gaming memory and storage

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[Mussels]

i'm having bad thoughts about spending my savings, lads
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