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[biffzinker]

Also, from the original post:



however, the link isn't working any longer. Not sure if we can dig up this patch somewhere.

This link mentions a patch related to the 3850 AGP on Socket A.

FIX/PATCH pro vsechny ovladace CATALYST 7.9 az | CZC.cz

Patch/fix je urcen pro vsechny verze ovladacu CATALYST, konkretne od verze 7.9 az po momentalne nejaktualnejsi verzi 9.2 vcetne, a jak pro WinXP tak pro WinV...

www.czc.cz

Is this the patch @stinger608?

https://lepszyserwis.pl/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/csapatch-101.zip

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[Athlonite]

Even on 486 and socket 4?

Yup also if you have a copy of ME laying around copy the defrag program to 98's windows/system folder for better quicker defragging

 

[QuietBob]

@phill
Have you tried installing newer drivers for the GPU? I see you're on 9.4. The latest XP driver supporting HD3000 series is 14.4. I've had no issues with that one.

I've tried the 9800 AIW and the X1650 Pro card, they seem to be working perfectly in the NF7-S as they install the drivers... but they didn't in the Asrock board

Catalyst 9.4 only supports HD2000 series and newer.

 

[F-Zero]

I took out my FX5900XT and installed a Sapphire HD3850 AGP and did some 3dmark 03, 05, 06 tests.

 

[stinger608]

Is this the patch @stinger608?
https://lepszyserwis.pl/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/csapatch-101.zip

I don't know. All it wants to do is download the file. I don't need to download it. I'd like to find the 3850 patch to edit the original post and put in there.

 

[phill]

Hi guys, still having the same issue with that card... Tried 14.4 drivers, no good, same issue.. I'll see if I can get the working one installed and then copy down the ID tags as I did for the one that's not working and see if there's any differences....

Whatever driver I have used for the working 3850, it's picked up and install perfectly... Bit confused... It's happening to a few cards but the 9800 AIW and X1650 Pro work fine in my socket A system... I'm not sure what else I can do...

This might be a VBIOS VS motherboard incompatibility issue. Does the problem card work in another system?

Another 3850 works perfectly fine in the board, this is the screen grabs I've put up in my first post... I'm rather confused @lexluthermiester ...

 

[lexluthermiester]

Another 3850 works perfectly fine in the board, this is the screen grabs I've put up in my first post... I'm rather confused @lexluthermiester ...

Maybe I'm confused?... The card that wouldn't run on that board, have you tested it on another board to verify it's not a problem with the 3850 card?

 

[QuietBob]

It's happening to a few cards but the 9800 AIW and X1650 Pro work fine in my socket A system

So these two cards don't install on the Asrock with driver 9.3 or earlier, as well?

 

[phill]

Maybe I'm confused?... The card that wouldn't run on that board, have you tested it on another board to verify it's not a problem with the 3850 card?

So these two cards don't install on the Asrock with driver 9.3 or earlier, as well?

Apologies guys, I'll start over

I've now two 3850's... One of them, seems to be working fine in the Asrock board and in Windows XP... The other just seems to be throwing up errors and not picking up the driver.. Same install, same OS. cables etc...

I've just managed to get a Windows 7 install on the Asrock board as we speak, I'm just making a run of 3D Mark 2000 with the X1950 Pro card with the standard 7 drivers and just checking that that works, which it seems to fine...
I'll test 2001SE as well just because I'm interested to see any differences between the two sets of drivers I'll be using now

 

[Mr.Scott]

On the odd Asrock boards with AGP,

Apologies guys, I'll start over

I've now two 3850's... One of them, seems to be working fine in the Asrock board and in Windows XP... The other just seems to be throwing up errors and not picking up the driver.. Same install, same OS. cables etc...

Are the 2 3850's identical?
Check the bios revisions.

I have the same trouble with a HD4650 AGP that I'm working on now.
Make sure your're using an AGP hotfix driver if you're on XP, or an Omega driver.

 

[Ruru]

I've probably mentioned this already a million times, but I have a similar Sapphire HD 3850 as well. Put a Zalman VF700Cu it tho as the original cooler is kinda meh. Overclocks pretty ok.

Got also a P4 631 & D 925, those free Netburst CPUs are waiting for me to grab those from the post office. Probably tomorrow I'll grab those.

 

[stinger608]

Also @phill here is a fairly large list of early ATI/AMD drivers for XP, Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.

SOFTPEDIA Has a ton of the hotfix drivers. You might give some of them a try man.

Also, here on Tomshardware is a discussion regarding the older drivers.

Both links are drivers and discussions regarding AGP versions of these cards so if yours is PCIe then these may not fit your scenario.

Also, here is a discussion on TechPowerUp! with these links I posted above and what was going on with the original poster @Master

Hopefully there is a solution to your issue. If the card isn't bad.

 

[agent_x007]

There are usually two things broken in ATI drivers :
1) Lack of matching hardware IDs for installed card ("AGP hotfix" or not).
2) Lack of files needed to install CCC (in "CCC included" package).
For first one, you simply have to force install driver from device manager.
The latter needs a different download source (usually, there should be a source where package size is bigger with the same version - biggest you can find should be correct one).

I usually go for Catalyst 9.1/10.2 CCC and check after initial unpack if files are actually there (CCC folder) :

On left proper folder after unpack, on the right a "broken" one.

PS. Please keep in mind, that there are also Legacy versions for DX8/DX9c only (those usually don't have DX10 hardware drivers inside).

 

[MaxiPro800]

I just finished restoring this oldie. HP Pavilion DV5-1131EN.

Originally came w/ Pentium DualCore T3200, no RAM, no HDD, Sony AD-7561S DVDRW, Broadcom 4312 WLAN, Geforce 9200M GS 256MB and corrupt BIOS.

Current specs are - Core 2 Duo P8400, 4GB DDR2-800, 500GB HGST Z7K500, Pioneer DVRTD11RS DVDRW, Intel 4965AGN WiFi, same GPU and fully working F.21A BIOS (w/ no WLAN whitelist)

Sadly battery is in dire need of recelling (78% wear) and since I don't want to risk anything with DIY, I'll very likely have to send it all the way across my country to a specialised shop that can also increase the capacity with quality cells, as well as reprogram the BMS so it can fully charge to the new capacity.

 

[Ruru]

(w/ no WLAN whitelist)

Argh, it sucks that some laptops allow only a limited number of WLAN cards. Same goes with my ThinkPad.

 

[framebuffer]

ATi Radeon HD 4870 X2

ATi FireGL V7300 (~X1800XT)

 

[MaxiPro800]

Argh, it sucks that some laptops allow only a limited number of WLAN cards. Same goes with my ThinkPad.

Yeah, IIRC Lenovo and HP usually do that. HP is quite easy as long as you know your board ID (e.g mine was 3603 for this, and 363A for a DV7-3165el I also have) but for Lenovo/IBM... I really have no idea.(haven't got the chance to tinker with these lol)

Dell might also have some models with whitelist on WLAN cards but I'm not really aware of which are those, as at least my old E6400 used to accept whatever WLAN card I'd throw at it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Argh, it sucks that some laptops allow only a limited number of WLAN cards. Same goes with my ThinkPad.

To be fair, they do that for compatibility reasons.

 

[Ruru]

To be fair, they do that for compatibility reasons.

I'd love if it would be possible to override that from bios or something

 

[phill]

On the odd Asrock boards with AGP,

Are the 2 3850's identical?
Check the bios revisions.

I have the same trouble with a HD4650 AGP that I'm working on now.
Make sure your're using an AGP hotfix driver if you're on XP, or an Omega driver.

To be fair to the Asrock and the 3850, the one I'm currently testing seems to work with any driver I throw at it. The other card I have, no matter what driver I try that just doesn't work at all... I think the card is knackered because the card gets very warm in places on it, whereas the one that works and I'm doing 3D Mark tests and such with it, never gets hot like that... It's quite strange to be honest....

I'll post up the info I have with the cards, then if need be I'll get things tested deeper as soon as I know which way down the rabbit hole I need to go

Thanks guys for the help

 

[Dinnercore]

I took my LAN-PC 2 on its first trip. Visited my brother at our parents place. The midi-tower is really nice to handle. It is old and beaten, but super lightweight. The case without components is so light that I can lift it with my pinky.

Overall it fits nice under one arm and thus can be carried without blocking you from opening doors.



So here is the ghetto rig, I'll walk you through.

Starting at the front we have a few missing covers for drive bays, which now acts as an additional front intake. Only complete with the crudely improvised dust filter made from insect window net. The power and reset buttons are no longer functional. One day I decided I would like to use the front LEDs for a project and while cutting them free I snapped the cables for the buttons. This is why I rigged a case-open switch to the top of the panel which now acts as power on.
Of course this additional front intake is held in place with zip ties. Moving further inwards we find a large 200mm fan that is just ridiculous. I had it in storage and decided I'll use it as extra support for the CPU cooler. Some foam padding squeezed inbetween keeps things safe during transport and removes vibration noise. It is held in place with zip tie to the lower screw hole from the 120mm exhaust fan and on the bottom with some velcro tape to the foam while the foam itself is taped on.

Cables exist. They have a secure minimum distance to each fan. Thats about it. You already saw the heatsinks I glued to the board.

Outside is covered in scratch marks and dents. Has some stickers on it. The completly white one is from G.Skill and has glow-in-the-dark paint on it. Looks nice but does not glow very long.



The fans run rather slow and the machine is nice and quiet when idle but that GTX280 has its typical scream. 34 db idle noise from ~40cm away, during high GPU loads the 280 takes that up to 5X db.

 

[MaxiPro800]

To be fair, they do that for compatibility reasons.

And what compatibility reasons would be exactly? Why would they force me to use a Broadcom adapter on my HP instead of letting me install whatever card I'd like? (e.g I originally wanted to install a Centrino N-100, but ultimately had to go with 4965AGN due to missing holes for half-height cards, holes which are present on DV6 starting with the 2000 series and DV7 starting with 2000 series)

Anyways, just ordered today another HP, this time it's a DV7-1214el, w/ Turion RM-74 (wonder if it takes a ZM-82?), HD3450 256MB, 3GB of RAM, HDD, as well as Bluray drive.
Sadly the chipset (or GPU) needs a reflow. I hope this one will work after that (at least a Acer 5536G w/ same chipset but newer GPU did work after reflowing the chipset (which is kinda mislabeled as IGP - it never shows up any IGP when used w/ a discrete GPU like HD3450 or the 4570 the Acer had) but no biggie if it doesn't, at least it's gonna sit on display.

 

[lexluthermiester]

And what compatibility reasons would be exactly? Why would they force me to use a Broadcom adapter on my HP instead of letting me install whatever card I'd like? (e.g I originally wanted to install a Centrino N-100, but ultimately had to go with 4965AGN due to missing holes for half-height cards, holes which are present on DV6 starting with the 2000 series and DV7 starting with 2000 series)

Has to do with interface specs. Not all of them were 100% compatible with one-another which could cause OS instability and security issues. There was also potential for damage to the mobo as well. Every manufacturer chose a different way of handling the problem. Dell, for example, handled it by baking universal compatibility into their systems so as not cause their users problems down the line. HP, Lenovo and a few others went the limitation/whitelist route. Dell's way of handling it required more effort but was easily the better way of doing it.

Sadly the chipset (or GPU) needs a reflow.

When you do that reflow, remember, be VERY generous with the liquid flux to get solid results!

 

[MaxiPro800]

Okay, damage to the mobo? How can that happen from a mini-PCI WLAN card?

As for universal compatibility, aren't all laptops (except HP and Lenovo) universally compatible?

As for reflow - I have flux paste (generally used for soldering, but has been recommended by a advanced tech that also does iPhones) which should do the job (saved a few machines with it, including a DV7-3165EL) so here's hope it's gonna work. I use pretty big chunks of it around every side of the chip.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Okay, damage to the mobo? How can that happen from a mini-PCI WLAN card?

Voltage signaling differences.

As for universal compatibility, aren't all laptops (except HP and Lenovo) universally compatible?

There were a few others that did the whitelisting thing for a limited time until specs were universally agreed upon.