Intel Launches 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake": Unmatched Overclocking and Gaming Performance

[Why_Me]

Naaa im good I proved ya wrong and thats that, and the cooler means nothing as they apparently both run hot so get the same cooler for both, in the end its the same result AND I didnt even mention that you can upgrade your CPU even more on the AMD platform where you cant on the intel, its just a better socket period. Move along

I'm guessing that has a different meaning in Oz. I posted a board, cpu, cooler and RAM for $600 USD that will go head to head with the 5800X in regards to gaming.

 

[Chrispy_]

that will go head to head with the 5800X in regards to gaming.

Uh, no, not even close. If you're going to limit your criteria to gaming only then the GPU is the bottleneck. Reduce the resolution and you can see how the CPUs stack up without that limitation.

Unless you've been living under a rock for two weeks, you'll have seen the Anandtech review, right?
Here's one of the many game tests. There are other tests where the 5800X has an even sillier lead over Rocket Lake, but I chose BL3 because it's a popular engine used by so many games (Unreal).

5800X running 20% faster than an 11700K, and that's giving the 11700K the best chance possible with premium motherboard, RAM, and a monstrous 173CFM fan on a huge solid-copper Thermalright heatsink that utterly dwarfs cooling performance of most other things by virtue of being hideously loud and not something you'll realistically want to be in the same room as. Fans like that are horrible even in the datacenter when I put earplugs in and then ear defenders as well. Trust me, that 11700K had an unfair advantage over the 5800X which would perform almost identically under a quiet, affordable air cooler.

REPEAT AFTER ME:
"Gaming needs a good GPU. The CPU doesn't matter AT ALL as long as it's fast enough to feed that GPU"

Any Zen3 or 9th/10th/11th gen intel with >8T is going to be good enough to get the majority of the performance out of a sub-$1000 graphics card. My personal opinion is that the less heat and power a CPU is dumping into a system, the more thermal headroom there is for a GPU to do its boosting, ergo the best CPU for gaming is the lowest-power one that can keep up with the graphics card. Intel disqualified themselves from that specific category several generations ago....

 

[Mussels]

the best CPU for gaming is the lowest-power one that can keep up with the graphics card​

personal preference: totally agreed. 5800x may run hot, but once you spread that heat out into a cooler theres not much to actually dissipate.

Why_me: i feel like you're running on half the info, or you trusted X advice and you're not able to see contradicting information.


If i was gaming at 4K on my 3090, i wouldnt see any FPS difference from my 2700x to my 3700x to my 5800x to any intel chip, because i'd be GPU Limited.
The lower resolution (or settings) i go, the higher the max FPS and the more the CPU matters.

The only exception is certain badly coded games, and they're getting much more rare these days.


When you go high refresh rate gaming (such as a 3090 at lower res) the CPU matters to see how high your max FPS can get - see the borderlands 3 screenshot above at 360p... with the GPU not being a limit, you can see how far each CPU can actually push the frape rates. 120FPS enough for you? then a 4750G is enough. wanna max that 165Hz display? looks like a 9900KS or above is needed

Wanna run a 240Hz display, while using half the power? Time to get that 5800x, because it kinda stomps for gaming. I know it. Chrispy knows it. Anandtech knows it. Techpowerup knows it.

For whatever reason you're stuck with some flawed logic and info, so i'ma give you a TL;DR

1. GPU matters the most for gaming
2. the CPU then feeds the GPU, boosting your max FPS (and therefore the average)
3. Once you have your minimum FPS you're happy with, you can target the CPU you need...see that graph above.
4. If you're gunna make budget builds and arguments, pick a res and refresh rate first. You dont need a 5800x or 11700k for 60FPS at any resolution.

 

[Chrispy_]

If i was gaming at 4K on my 3090, i wouldnt see any FPS difference from my 2700x to my 3700x to my 5800x to any intel chip, because i'd be GPU Limited.

FTFY.
Typo I'm sure as it's one I make more often than I care to admit.

 

[PapaTaipei]

Intel going backward since 2010. What a bunch of f.ers. they literally single handedly are slowing technological progress.

 

[Mussels]

FTFY.
Typo I'm sure as it's one I make more often than I care to admit.

yes, that was a typo (and an important one) - fixed

 

[Why_Me]

the best CPU for gaming is the lowest-power one that can keep up with the graphics card​

personal preference: totally agreed. 5800x may run hot, but once you spread that heat out into a cooler theres not much to actually dissipate.

Why_me: i feel like you're running on half the info, or you trusted X advice and you're not able to see contradicting information.


If i was gaming at 4K on my 3090, i wouldnt see any FPS difference from my 2700x to my 3700x to my 5800x to any intel chip, because i'd be GPU Limited.
The lower resolution (or settings) i go, the higher the max FPS and the more the CPU matters.

The only exception is certain badly coded games, and they're getting much more rare these days.


When you go high refresh rate gaming (such as a 3090 at lower res) the CPU matters to see how high your max FPS can get - see the borderlands 3 screenshot above at 360p... with the GPU not being a limit, you can see how far each CPU can actually push the frape rates. 120FPS enough for you? then a 4750G is enough. wanna max that 165Hz display? looks like a 9900KS or above is needed

Wanna run a 240Hz display, while using half the power? Time to get that 5800x, because it kinda stomps for gaming. I know it. Chrispy knows it. Anandtech knows it. Techpowerup knows it.

For whatever reason you're stuck with some flawed logic and info, so i'ma give you a TL;DR

1. GPU matters the most for gaming
2. the CPU then feeds the GPU, boosting your max FPS (and therefore the average)
3. Once you have your minimum FPS you're happy with, you can target the CPU you need...see that graph above.
4. If you're gunna make budget builds and arguments, pick a res and refresh rate first. You dont need a 5800x or 11700k for 60FPS at any resolution.

The 5800X is getting close to $500 ($490 @Newegg) on US sites whereas the i7 11700F should come in at $350 on Newegg. Pair that up with a B560 board and you have more money to put towards a gpu.

 

[Mussels]

The 5800X is getting close to $500 ($490 @Newegg) on US sites whereas the i7 11700F should come in at $350 on Newegg. Pair that up with a B560 board and you have more money to put towards a gpu.

here: pick whatever CPU you want from this list
CPU Benchmarks and Hierarchy 2021: Intel and AMD Processor Rankings and Comparisons | Tom's Hardware

The prices you can argue all day long because prices CHANGE. you can argue non stop all you want about justifying whatever chip you want, and its meaningless to most of us because the prices change constsantly, and different stores, states, and countries all have different pricing

the 5800x is the literal top of the pile for gaming. Oh no its more expensive... yeah. it's 1st place. Go get a 5600x for 3FPS less and save that money and the silly arguments.

 

[Why_Me]

here: pick whatever CPU you want from this list
CPU Benchmarks and Hierarchy 2021: Intel and AMD Processor Rankings and Comparisons | Tom's Hardware

The prices you can argue all day long because prices CHANGE. you can argue non stop all you want about justifying whatever chip you want, and its meaningless to most of us because the prices change constsantly, and different stores, states, and countries all have different pricing

the 5800x is the literal top of the pile for gaming. Oh no its more expensive... yeah. it's 1st place. Go get a 5600x for 3FPS less and save that money and the silly arguments.

The i7 has two more cores than the 5600X which is nice if you're gaming and running programs such as Teamspeak or Discord in the background.

 

[R0H1T]

Pair that up with a B560 board and you have more money to put towards a gpu.

Or how about instead of overspending on a GPU, right now, just wait for prices to cool off & then buy a cheaper 5800x & much cheaper GPU

I'd rather not pay scalper prices for anything that goes into a PC right now, it just encourages them to do more of it in the future!

 

[Mussels]

The i7 has two more cores than the 5600X which is nice if you're gaming and running programs such as Teamspeak or Discord in the background.

not when every single core is faster by so much that the total power is higher

thats a real stretch to name two super light resource programs as if they'll take a core each... they might take 1% of one core

 

[Why_Me]

not when every single core is faster by so much that the total power is higher

thats a real stretch to name two super light resource programs as if they'll take a core each... they might take 1% of one core

Fact of the matter is more games are using more cores these days. An example is CoD and BF which both utilize 6 cores which means more cpu usage.

 

[Chrispy_]

Dude, you're just ignoring all of the evidence posted about games being limited by a GPU. Why are you re-posting evidence that either shows you don't even understand that, or that you're willingly ignoring facts?

It reminds me of this Citroen advert:

"Travellling flat out at the GPU's limit of 178fps, the 11700F will easily overtake a 5600X producing only 176fps."

 

[Makaveli]

You guys are still entertaining this guy and his trolling.

 

[Chrispy_]

You guys are still entertaining this guy and his trolling.

I'm WFH during COVID lockdown. Feeding the trolls is a mild distraction from the pain of having to stare at the empty park outside bathed in sunshine whilst the law insists on me working from home and not going outside for any non-essential reason.

 

[Makaveli]

I'm WFH during COVID lockdown. Feeding the trolls is a mild distraction from the pain of having to stare at the empty park outside bathed in sunshine whilst the law insists on me working from home and not going outside for any non-essential reason.

I'm WFH also for the last year, its been a long time thankfully spring is coming and its sunny. I can go outside plan to go for a walk at lunch to get some air.

 

[Why_Me]

Dude, you're just ignoring all of the evidence posted about games being limited by a GPU. Why are you re-posting evidence that either shows you don't even understand that, or that you're willingly ignoring facts?

It reminds me of this Citroen advert:

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"Travellling flat out at the GPU's limit of 178fps, the 11700F will easily overtake a 5600X producing only 176fps."

So you're telling me the 6 core 5600X is the better option for a gaming build eh. If there's anyone in here trolling it isn't me.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119384
ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS $119.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-10700f-core-i7-10th-gen/p/N82E16819D118131
Intel Core i7-10700F $279.99

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164198
Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz DDR4 DRAM Desktop Memory Kit 16GB (8GBx2) CL16 $79.99

 

[Chrispy_]

So you're telling me the 6 core 5600X is the better option for a gaming build eh. If there's anyone in here trolling it isn't me.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119384
ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS $119.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-10700f-core-i7-10th-gen/p/N82E16819D118131
Intel Core i7-10700F $279.99

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164198
Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz DDR4 DRAM Desktop Memory Kit 16GB (8GBx2) CL16 $79.99

You're still completely missing the point:
THE CPU DOESN'T MATTER FOR GAMING
(within reason - as long as its capable of keeping up with a GPU, having more cores or more MHz does not make your gaming better in any significant way).

The better option for a gaming build is the one that leaves you more budget for a better GPU. That's all there is to it, the GPU is the single most important part of a PC's gaming performance. I don't personally think a quad core i3 is a good idea in 2021 but you can see from the graphs you just posted that it's only about 5% slower than CPUs costing 4x as much.

A $600 graphics card and a $200 CPU will be a vastly better gaming choice than a $200 graphics card and a $600 CPU. If you don't agree with that statement then I have to conclude that you have cognitive problems far more serious than anyone here realised and you have my sincere condolences.

If you want to justify a more expensive CPU for non-gaming purposes, that's absolutely fine. I have a 3900X for crunching large datasets and I absolutely can justify the cost of it over the R5 3600 it replaced. However, doubling the cost/performance/core-count of my CPU made absolutely zero difference to my gaming. I was 100% GPU bottlenecked, as expected. As is widely-accepted by every independent reviewer on the web, as well as AMD and NVIDIA themselves; Your GPU dictates your gaming performance and your CPU will have no impact unless it is such a bad/old CPU that it becomes a bigger bottleneck than the GPU.

Oh hey, talk about GPU bottlenecks, LTT to the rescue with another ELI5:

 

[Why_Me]

You're still completely missing the point:
THE CPU DOESN'T MATTER FOR GAMING
(within reason - as long as its capable of keeping up with a GPU, having more cores or more MHz does not make your gaming better in any significant way).

The better option for a gaming build is the one that leaves you more budget for a better GPU. That's all there is to it, the GPU is the single most important part of a PC's gaming performance. I don't personally think a quad core i3 is a good idea in 2021 but you can see from the graphs you just posted that it's only about 5% slower than CPUs costing 4x as much.

A $600 graphics card and a $200 CPU will be a vastly better gaming choice than a $200 graphics card and a $600 CPU. If you don't agree with that statement then I have to conclude that you have cognitive problems far more serious than anyone here realised and you have my sincere condolences.

If you want to justify a more expensive CPU for non-gaming purposes, that's absolutely fine. I have a 3900X for crunching large datasets and I absolutely can justify the cost of it over the R5 3600 it replaced. However, doubling the cost/performance/core-count of my CPU made absolutely zero difference to my gaming. I was 100% GPU bottlenecked, as expected. As is widely-accepted by every independent reviewer on the web, as well as AMD and NVIDIA themselves; Your GPU dictates your gaming performance and your CPU will have no impact unless it is such a bad/old CPU that it becomes a bigger bottleneck than the GPU.

Oh hey, talk about GPU bottlenecks, LTT to the rescue with another ELI5:

Ya the cpu does matter to a degree or more people would be purchasing cheap i3 cpu's for their gaming builds. Try playing MS Flight Simulator on a dual core.

 

[Chrispy_]

Ya the cpu does matter to a degree or more people would be purchasing cheap i3 cpu's for their gaming builds. Try playing MS Flight Simulator on a dual core.

i3's are now 4C/8T.

As for dual core, that's clearly not "within reason" for serious gaming, nor can it keep up with a modern GPU, so I'm not sure why you brought it up, other than to deflect.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

My GPU be like 99% while my 3900X be like 25%.

 

[goodeedidid]

Anybody even excited by this boring generic Intel release.. more excited about the new upcoming Apple silicons than this.

 

[Why_Me]

i3's are now 4C/8T.

As for dual core, that's clearly not "within reason" for serious gaming, nor can it keep up with a modern GPU, so I'm not sure why you brought it up, other than to deflect.

Let's cut the crap shall we. Anyone who thinks the 5600X is a better option for the money vs the i7 10700F in regards to gaming needs to get a reality check.

 

[Chrispy_]

Let's cut the crap shall we. Anyone who thinks the 5600X is a better option for the money vs the i7 10700F in regards to gaming needs to get a reality check.

You're still missing the point, and now I'm not even sure what side you're arguing now. You seem to be fixated on the 5600X, and I'm not sure why. Are you confusing me with Mussels? If you're actually trying to make a strawman argument you're not doing a very good job!

In case you've missed it, all I've said to you for the last several posts is that your CPU doesn't matter. Get the cheapest one that doesn't bottleneck your GPU. If you want to dump excess cash into a CPU for other non-gaming reasons then that's also fine, but don't pretend it's for gaming. Even with a 360Hz monitor, the difference between an i5-10400 and an i9-11900K is going to be pretty slim as most games will still be bottlenecked on the GPU at 1080p and above. The fact a Zen3 is faster than any Intel by a good 20-30% is irrelevant because you'll never see that difference in a real game at a real resolution with a real graphics card.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

real graphics card.

Wait, they're real?