Elon Musk Demoes "PS5-level Performance" of the AMD-powered Model S In-Dash Game Console

[turbogear]

I don't know how tesla makes changes so fast in their environment and proves safety and reliability. I'm also automotive and off road electronics and properly qualifying something is high time and high effort for even non ASIL environments. They must make many assumptions or be pretty fast and loose.

I fully agree with you.
In automotive it takes up to 3 years to design and fully qualify even non ASIL relevant electronics. Safety is only one aspect and also reliability is very important.
There is design validation and product validations phases which each takes between 5 to 6 months alone and these are quite tough tests where usually some issues could be found taking some time to fix these and re-run the tests.
I wonder also how Tesla can do releases very quickly.

 

[PLAfiller]

Anyway, I just thought that it was quite ridiculous to have infotainment in car altogether. But then again, when it comes to cars the more utilitarian car is, the better it is. All you need is speedo, tach, steering wheel, gear stick, that's it. Anything else is useless weight. And the same to car construction, the simpler it is, the better it is.

We are a dying breed man. Whether we want it or not, things aren't going that way. It's just a matter of time, each new automotive standard will include more and more obligatory elements: like cameras (rear/front) for example. Which will become (if not already) a required equipment in even the basic trim-level of a car.

 

[lexluthermiester]

WHEN the cars will drive autonomously they will statistically be way better driver than the average user, meaning that the roads will be safer.

Total nonsense. Vehicle A.I. will NEVER be as good an experienced, well trained driver.

 

[Mussels]

Total nonsense. Vehicle A.I. will NEVER be as good an experienced, well trained driver.

yeah... problem is 99% of drivers are neither experienced, not well trained.

 

[lexluthermiester]

yeah... problem is 99% of drivers are neither experienced, not well trained.

While I disagree with your percentage number, I agree that it's a problem that needs changing. People need better driver training. We DON'T need cars driving themselves..

 

[Thribits]

Why??

 

[The red spirit]

We are a dying breed man. Whether we want it or not, things aren't going that way. It's just a matter of time, each new automotive standard will include more and more obligatory elements: like cameras (rear/front) for example. Which will become (if not already) a required equipment in even the basic trim-level of a car.

I don't even own or drive cars, but infotainment for me is one of the most annoying things in cars. It seems that Lotus is the last car maker that can get away without infotainments and other silliness. To be honest, I never understood, why infotainment is even legal in the first place as it distracts driver and probably increases fatal accident count. Somehow airbag are mandatory now, but no one can kick out infotainment out of cars.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I don't even own or drive cars, but infotainment for me is one of the most annoying things in cars. It seems that Lotus is the last car maker that can get away without infotainments and other silliness. To be honest, I never understood, why infotainment is even legal in the first place as it distracts driver and probably increases fatal accident count. Somehow airbag are mandatory now, but no one can kick out infotainment out of cars.

I heartily disagree, having actually driven my whole life, mostly shiters, the stereo is paramount, without it the rattling , creaking and road noise gets annoying.

Here's my point though, I don't fly so with regards to what's best to be fitted to a plane, I would stay out the debate, why because opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, but the only one worth listening to would be a pilot's with 20,000 hours in.

Apply that to car's and I'm sorry but your opinion means nothing to me, your allowed it, and it can be different from mine, that's fine but it Is Not an informed opinion.

As for game consoles in car that likely are only useable when charging up since AI cat 4 isn't available, meh who gives a shit, I don't want or need it but it's not aimed at me.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why??

Who are you talking too? Use the reply/quote function. It's there to prevent confusion.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't even own or drive cars, but infotainment for me is one of the most annoying things in cars. It seems that Lotus is the last car maker that can get away without infotainments and other silliness. To be honest, I never understood, why infotainment is even legal in the first place as it distracts driver and probably increases fatal accident count. Somehow airbag are mandatory now, but no one can kick out infotainment out of cars.

Infotainment is good for listening to the radio with RDS, connecting your phone with Bluetooth (I know, talking on the speakerphone is distracting, but not as much as holding the phone in your hand), or using satnav. Without infotainment, you'd have to stick your satnav on the windscreen, covering a portion of it, which is again not a very good idea.

What I disagree with is, replacing every single car function with a giant touchscreen. Finding the right menu to adjust the radio volume or the climate - now that's distracting and dangerous! I also disagree with this Tesla gaming crap. You build your PC for gaming, cars meant to be driven. No one ever should have any reason to mix the two together (other than E Musk trying to show off what a d***head he is).

 

[Thribits]

Who are you talking too? Use the reply/quote function. It's there to prevent confusion.

Replying to the post sorry for the confusion.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Replying to the post sorry for the confusion.

Oh you mean the article? Fair enough. BTW, welcome to TPU!

 

[Thribits]

Oh you mean the article? Fair enough. BTW, welcome to TPU!

Thanks!

 

[The red spirit]

I heartily disagree, having actually driven my whole life, mostly shiters, the stereo is paramount, without it the rattling , creaking and road noise gets annoying.

Here's my point though, I don't fly so with regards to what's best to be fitted to a plane, I would stay out the debate, why because opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, but the only one worth listening to would be a pilot's with 20,000 hours in.

Apply that to car's and I'm sorry but your opinion means nothing to me, your allowed it, and it can be different from mine, that's fine but it Is Not an informed opinion.

As for game consoles in car that likely are only useable when charging up since AI cat 4 isn't available, meh who gives a shit, I don't want or need it but it's not aimed at me.

To each their own, but it's been a long time since there was some other sound in car. Those noises aren't really all that loud, unless you always go at 140-150 kmh (87-93 mph). Then yeah, you will start hearing all not so aerodynamic sounds in car and maybe even some weird noises. But anyway, when there are several people in car, you can't just blast music, so if you aren't using a car alone, infotainment point is still moot. Unless all people in car agree on something, only then you can listen to some music. And if your complaint in car is noise, then noise is going to interfere with music and you won't be able to hear each other properly and if you don't hear music properly you can't really enjoy it. And to be honest, no car should creak or rattle, unless it has something broken. If that's the case, then it should be inspected.

Infotainment is good for listening to the radio with RDS, connecting your phone with Bluetooth (I know, talking on the speakerphone is distracting, but not as much as holding the phone in your hand), or using satnav. Without infotainment, you'd have to stick your satnav on the windscreen, covering a portion of it, which is again not a very good idea.

What I disagree with is, replacing every single car function with a giant touchscreen. Finding the right menu to adjust the radio volume or the climate - now that's distracting and dangerous! I also disagree with this Tesla gaming crap. You build your PC for gaming, cars meant to be driven. No one ever should have any reason to mix the two together (other than E Musk trying to show off what a d***head he is).

That's assuming that your car is new enough to have a satnav or bluetooth. I have never been in car that has satnav or bluetooth. I have seen some cars with USB port, but never with bluetooth. And as I already said, listening to music in car isn't good. You can neither enjoy music properly, nor you can be perfectly attentive to road. It's just a bad experience overall. And if you are a passenger, then nothing beats just using phone with headphones that actually block that noise.

 

[AusWolf]

That's assuming that your car is new enough to have a satnav or bluetooth. I have never been in car that has satnav or bluetooth.

You should try it. I never thought I needed such luxuries, but now I wouldn't buy another car without these. Besides, having a fixed screen on top of your centre console is a lot safer than sticking a separate one on the windshield.

And as I already said, listening to music in car isn't good. You can neither enjoy music properly, nor you can be perfectly attentive to road. It's just a bad experience overall. And if you are a passenger, then nothing beats just using phone with headphones that actually block that noise.

What's the longest distance you've driven? Spending hours on motorways at a constant speed without any other noise than the road and your engine is extremely boring and exhausting. I'm not saying you should overpower every noise with music, but a little variety in what you hear can keep you awake (unless you're listening to some relaxing electronic new wave stuff, which I would only recommend doing at home).

 

[The red spirit]

You should try it. I never thought I needed such luxuries, but now I wouldn't buy another car without these. Besides, having a fixed screen on top of your centre console is a lot safer than sticking a separate one on the windshield.


What's the longest distance you've driven? Spending hours on motorways at a constant speed without any other noise than the road and your engine is extremely boring and exhausting. I'm not saying you should overpower every noise with music, but a little variety in what you hear can keep you awake (unless you're listening to some relaxing electronic new wave stuff, which I would only recommend doing at home).

I don't drive, I don't have a license and I don't really need it. I'm not sure if I could even get one, because I have some disabilities.

I don't think that roads in my country are actually long enough to be so straight that it's boring. The longest road is often with quite a bit of cars and since people go above speed limit, they are always overtaking each other. And since they do that, it requires some attention. I remember one time when I was abroad in Greece and there were some roads with nothing but desert for hundreds of kilometers. But those roads were never really straight, had other cars and there were some random villages nearby. The only road that I could say was really boring, was some big highway in Catalonia. It was wide and straight with not much on the sides. Although there was something that looked like fuel refinery once and that thing was huge. I'm only aware of few roads in USA and Australia that are very straight for thousands of kilometers. They actually are dangerous due to drivers becoming bored and distracted. They have some silly sounding fatalities, like some people killing themselves by driving into the only tree in 50km radius or something like that. Therefore this argument doesn't truly work in Europe.

 

[deu]

Total nonsense. Vehicle A.I. will NEVER be as good an experienced, well trained driver.

Total nonsense to say that it is total nonsense. (yes really)

First: I said statistically (which does not say anything about top 5% high/low performers. That said; the best driver in the world will be inferior to and autonomous car in the near future say 2030/2040.
Second: I will recommend you to start preparing your understanding of the world. "AI" / computercalculation based of of machinelearning and logic, will and is in many instances better than humans. If you look at the reasons for accidents: driving under influence, lack of focus, reactiontime / wrong pattern assumption. In all these areas computer already excels. "AI" right now need to understand situations; WHEN (and this is sooner than later) it understands contexts it will be statistically irresposible to drive a car yourself. You can look at incident rates for AI and for humans and the cause for these crashes. In other words; back up your claims unless you want to look like a mad trucker throwing pushes in the air

The biggest challenge about selfdriving cars is the ethical negotiation concerning having a piece of software being responsible for something so vital. (eventhough it outperforms us humans)

Automated Vehicles for Safety | NHTSA

Get info on automated driving systems, also referred to as automated vehicles and "self-driving" cars, and learn about their safety potential.

www.nhtsa.gov

I can't argue with that, as the average road user think they are good drivers , and a survey will tell you every driver thinks 90% of other drivers are useless drivers.
The problem is many don't know the road rules or only follow them when they want to, or are just inconsiderate.
Self driving cars will alleviate those issues, unfortunately a blanket rule to compensate for idiots means the few that can drive will have that fun taken away from them.

I spoke to Ted Selker (former 'inventor' for IBM), and on of his big concerns was the users lack of focus when driving. (which is on of the main reasons for accidents). So in a nutshell as you write; even the most experienced driver looses focus where a computer does not flicker; A computer if coded correctly will always default to safemode in any incident that is not 100% understood. Again people tend to think they understand a complex situation, but lack the forseight, reaction and selfcritism to stop before an incident occure! :0 (Apologies for typo´s)

That was debunked, and almost an outright lie, on Tesla's webpage you'll find a '*' next to that claim and have to dig a bit depending on the model you are looking at, they don't obscure this detail on pages for the cheaper models. But they don't count rolloff/rollout in their 0-60 time. Mathematically, the most significant part in a 0-60 time as it is the longest unit time per distance in that measurement. i.o.w. they get a period of free travel before the clock actually starts.

Accepted that the number is a marketing gimmick (The roadster claimed the same). My argument is that the car has not dropped being a really fast and from an electrical efficientcy point of view, a cutting edge car, and replaced it with gaming capabilities It is possible to develop a good car that ALSO have a nice entertainment system with on having to suffer! (The title of the story does not represent the whole presentation), and thus the techpowerup users is overreacting to the PS5 part in my opinion

That's what hand-helds are for. Game consoles DON'T need to be installed in the vehicle.

I dont think you understand; Marketing it as gaming capable will sell cars to. Having a larger screen sells and does have uses, be it gaming or media. The screen working as a screen to handle streamed input is smart. The challeges with handing a smartphone over to your child to view content is in the backseat has alot of challenges (trust me)


1. be able to skip commercials / other starting
2. pick up the phone when dropped
3. change back to correct media when fingers have accidentally pushed something
4. Controlling the media they are consuming etc.

In other words: To a person buying a car in the Tesla plaid class, there is alot of benifits of having an entertainment system that you can control in the front. The pricebump is in the whole irrelevant to the buyer which have money enough

Also remember that the computer is already there to handle the systems (non-critical)-UI. Allowing the user to utilize the GPU for gaming, makes sense (so the 200 dollars price bump is justified to both tesla and the buyer.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't drive, I don't have a license and I don't really need it. I'm not sure if I could even get one, because I have some disabilities.

I don't think that roads in my country are actually long enough to be so straight that it's boring. The longest road is often with quite a bit of cars and since people go above speed limit, they are always overtaking each other. And since they do that, it requires some attention. I remember one time when I was abroad in Greece and there were some roads with nothing but desert for hundreds of kilometers. But those roads were never really straight, had other cars and there were some random villages nearby. The only road that I could say was really boring, was some big highway in Catalonia. It was wide and straight with not much on the sides. Although there was something that looked like fuel refinery once and that thing was huge. I'm only aware of few roads in USA and Australia that are very straight for thousands of kilometers. They actually are dangerous due to drivers becoming bored and distracted. They have some silly sounding fatalities, like some people killing themselves by driving into the only tree in 50km radius or something like that. Therefore this argument doesn't truly work in Europe.

There are boring roads in Europe too, believe me. Whenever I visit my parents in Hungary, the road from the airport to my hometown is an 80 km long straight line in the middle of a great plain. A radio would be a must there if I didn't meet my parents rarely enough to have the conversation going throughout the whole trip.

Short trips can be boring too. My workplace is 11 miles from my house, 8 of which is a straight motorway. I drive the same route there and back 5 times a week. It would be extremely monotonous without a little music (or the occasional colleague who tries to race me).

The challeges with handing a smartphone over to your child to view content is in the backseat has alot of challenges (trust me)

There are many challenges of handing a smartphone to a child in general, but that's a different topic, I guess.

The biggest challenge about selfdriving cars is the ethical negotiation concerning having a piece of software being responsible for something so vital. (eventhough it outperforms us humans)

That, plus the sub-100% reliability of everything built by humans (it's true for humans too, I know). Mechanical failures, lapses in processing power, etc. When you're playing a game on PC, and Windows starts updating in the background, you might notice a little hiccup depending on the game and your hardware. Your phone sometimes drops mobile broadband signal, but it comes back after a couple seconds. You can't afford the same while driving. Also, there's weather conditions. Maybe you can't see a road sign because of some thick fog or heavy rain, but you might not even need to because you know the road, you know which road sign is where, what the speed limit is, etc. I'm not sure how this kind of prediction works in computers (if there is such a thing at all).

 

[The red spirit]

There are boring roads in Europe too, believe me. Whenever I visit my parents in Hungary, the road from the airport to my hometown is an 80 km long straight line in the middle of a great plain. A radio would be a must there if I didn't meet my parents rarely enough to have the conversation going throughout the whole trip.

Can't you just go at 200kmh on that road? It's a straight road with just plains, you likely could see speed cameras. It should be decently safe too, since there are no corners. Believe it or not, but there's also around 100 km road from my hometown to airport. It's also straight, but it has hills and occasional forest patches. People here go at least 10 kmh above speed limit and the speed limit is probably 120kmh. Cruising at 140 kmh is common and there's always some rich fool, who has Mercedes and drives there at 200kmh and sometimes overtakes from left. There are some rednecks that attempt to go at 160 kmh in Audi 80.

Meanwhile, when I sit in backseat of Peugeot 406 2.0 HDi, it seems to have some unpleasant resonance at 140-150 kmh. It sounds like axle grinding, but it's probably not. It's inaudible at 110 kmh.

Short trips can be boring too. My workplace is 11 miles from my house, 8 of which is a straight motorway. I drive the same route there and back 5 times a week. It would be extremely monotonous without a little music (or the occasional colleague who tries to race me).

At least you get to go fast.

 

[AusWolf]

Can't you just go at 200kmh on that road?

My mom has a 50 bhp Suzuki Wagon R+ with a top speed of around 80-100 km/h.

It's a straight road with just plains, you likely could see speed cameras. It should be decently safe too, since there are no corners.

No corners doesn't necessarily mean safe. Your attention tends to lapse when road conditions are boring. Decreased need for attention = autopilot mode = long reaction times.

Meanwhile, when I sit in backseat of Peugeot 406 2.0 HDi, it seems to have some unpleasant resonance at 140-150 kmh. It sounds like axle grinding, but it's probably not. It's inaudible at 110 kmh.

A bit off topic here, but that sounds like a bad wheel bearing to me. Might be worth having it checked.

At least you get to go fast.

At least I'm paying full attention to the road when I do.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

To each their own, but it's been a long time since there was some other sound in car. Those noises aren't really all that loud, unless you always go at 140-150 kmh (87-93 mph). Then yeah, you will start hearing all not so aerodynamic sounds in car and maybe even some weird noises. But anyway, when there are several people in car, you can't just blast music, so if you aren't using a car alone, infotainment point is still moot. Unless all people in car agree on something, only then you can listen to some music. And if your complaint in car is noise, then noise is going to interfere with music and you won't be able to hear each other properly and if you don't hear music properly you can't really enjoy it. And to be honest, no car should creak or rattle, unless it has something broken. If that's the case, then it should be inspected.



That's assuming that your car is new enough to have a satnav or bluetooth. I have never been in car that has satnav or bluetooth. I have seen some cars with USB port, but never with bluetooth. And as I already said, listening to music in car isn't good. You can neither enjoy music properly, nor you can be perfectly attentive to road. It's just a bad experience overall. And if you are a passenger, then nothing beats just using phone with headphones that actually block that noise.

Your entitled to your opinion but it's based on nonsense, I don't even now own a brand new car, my newest ever car is 8 year's old and we'll maintained yet, it's not without the odd rattle, bit of break screach and creaky interior panel, I was in a 16 year old golf , the leather seats rubbed and screached against the arm rest, should I have replaced the interior to make it safe???.

F##@ no, just turned the stereo up.

You a passenger in my car, then your privy to what I want to listen to or get out and walk.
Though tbf I would relent and put Johnny cash on and if you don't like that your walking anyway.

Quit with the generalized statements full of deluded unrealistic opinions, it's clear how much you have experienced owning cars in the last 20 year's, ie =0

TBC, for me in car consoles are ridiculous, un needed tat, but I'm not bothered if someone else wants that.
But ICE is essential.

 

[The red spirit]

My mom has a 50 bhp Suzuki Wagon R+ with a top speed of around 80-100 km/h.

Is that even legal to drive on highways? With that top speed is a legit safety hazard on road. I knew that kei cars are slow, but not this slow. Even Toyota Aygo is faster than it.

No corners doesn't necessarily mean safe. Your attention tends to lapse when road conditions are boring. Decreased need for attention = autopilot mode = long reaction times.

In 80 km that shouldn't happen, unless there isn't a single car on road besides yours.

Your entitled to your opinion but it's based on nonsense, I don't even now own a brand new car, my newest ever car is 8 year's old and we'll maintained yet, it's not without the odd rattle, bit of break screach and creaky interior panel, I was in a 16 year old golf , the leather seats rubbed and screached against the arm rest, should I have replaced the interior to make it safe???.

Not sure why yours is noisy, but I was in Golf mk3 1.8L petrol, made in 94. It's over 20 years old and doesn't rattle, expect from broken plastic near steering column. My gramps used to own Jetta mk2 and it didn't rattle. My aunt used to own Civic 4, it had big rusted out holes, but didn't rattle. Parents Peugeot 406 HDi 2.0 doesn't rattle. Rented out Micra k13 didn't rattle. My friend's parents' Alfa 156 didn't rattle and was overall quietest and smoothest car I have ever been in. My dad's work Mazda 3 previous gen didn't rattle, overall it was typical Japanese tin can with awful interior. My lecturer's Golf 4 Variant was rattling, but then again it had obvious pieces of interior missing, some of them broken and loads of random things on backseat and trunk. My dad's first card Ford Escort mk4 1.4L petrol injected didn't rattle either. My grandparents Citroen Xsara didn't rattle and their previous Renault 19 didn't rattle either. Taxi Prius 1st gen didn't rattle.

Obviously you shouldn't replace interior for it to be safe, but not all rattles are like that. Oh, and it seems like VAG cars are generally worse in terms of starting to rattle.

You a passenger in my car, then your privy to what I want to listen to or get out and walk.
Though tbf I would relent and put Johnny cash on and if you don't like that your walking anyway.

Quit with the generalized statements full of deluded unrealistic opinions, it's clear how much you have experienced owning cars in the last 20 year's, ie =0

I would love to see you turning up stereo, with 4 passengers in car. If they didn't like that music, they probably wouldn't be too pleased with it.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Is that even legal to drive on highways? With that top speed is a legit safety hazard on road. I knew that kei cars are slow, but not this slow. Even Toyota Aygo is faster than it.


In 80 km that shouldn't happen, unless there isn't a single car on road besides yours.


Not sure why yours is noisy, but I was in Golf mk3 1.8L petrol, made in 94. It's over 20 years old and doesn't rattle, expect from broken plastic near steering column. My gramps used to own Jetta mk2 and it didn't rattle. My aunt used to own Civic 4, it had big rusted out holes, but didn't rattle. Parents Peugeot 406 HDi 2.0 doesn't rattle. Rented out Micra k13 didn't rattle. My friend's parents' Alfa 156 didn't rattle and was overall quietest and smoothest car I have ever been in. My dad's work Mazda 3 previous gen didn't rattle, overall it was typical Japanese tin can with awful interior. My lecturer's Golf 4 Variant was rattling, but then again it had obvious pieces of interior missing, some of them broken and loads of random things on backseat and trunk. My dad's first card Ford Escort mk4 1.4L petrol injected didn't rattle either. My grandparents Citroen Xsara didn't rattle and their previous Renault 19 didn't rattle either. Taxi Prius 1st gen didn't rattle.

Obviously you shouldn't replace interior for it to be safe, but not all rattles are like that. Oh, and it seems like VAG cars are generally worse in terms of starting to rattle.



I would love to see you turning up stereo, with 4 passengers in car. If they didn't like that music, they probably wouldn't be too pleased with it.

They have the choice of putting up with it, getting their own car, or public transport.

Do I strike you as someone who always Has to please everyone?!

Your ideas suit you, fine, but they are not for everyone and not for many I know either, and I think that's what you're missing, we Are all different.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Total nonsense to say that it is total nonsense. (yes really)

Your statement of total nonsense being total nonsense is itself total nonsense. The statistics you cited are flawed in the fact that there is not enough data to render a conclusion that has any merit. LONG TERM studies and trials are required to render a result that has valid statistical safety data.

I dont think you understand; Marketing it as gaming capable will sell cars to.

I don't give a flying rats ass what sells cars. I care about SAFETY! Installing a gaming system within view and reach of a DRIVER is inherently unsafe as it presents a distraction to a driver safely driving the vehicle regardless of whether or not said driver is participating with the gaming and for the same reason it is now highly illegal to use a phone while driving: It's EXTREMELY dangerous.

Game consoles do NOT belong installed in vehicles. Full fraking stop.

 

[deu]

Your statement of total nonsense being total nonsense is itself total nonsense. The statistics you cited are flawed in the fact that there is not enough data to render a conclusion that has any merit. LONG TERM studies and trials are required to render a result that has valid statistical safety data.


I don't give a flying rats ass what sells cars. I care about SAFETY! Installing a gaming system within view and reach of a DRIVER is inherently unsafe as it presents a distraction to a driver safely driving the vehicle regardless of whether or not said driver is participating with the gaming and for the same reason it is now highly illegal to use a phone while driving: It's EXTREMELY dangerous.

Game consoles do NOT belong installed in vehicles. Full fraking stop.

I assume that you are mixing up my comment with another persons comment since I did not provide any statistics rather than do a basic explaination of how all drivers are not equally bad or good, but that a total incident level can drop eventhough and AI from start might not the best driver in the world.

Regarding to LONGTERM trials: Like the trials that have been performed the last 10 years by all the larger car manufacturers? Regarding the statistics: im not stating that they ARE there; im stating that they WILL be there and underlining that it is not a matter if, but of when.

Last paragraph: One does not exclude the other; The assumption that it must be putting of a freaking lightshow + gaming + music when driving is either working in absoluts or is trolling. A screen can have different contextmodes; you dont even have to be smart to figure that out, you just have to apply rational thought. Sure you can properbly put on youtube or netflix while driving, but thats a problem with the driver, not the car.

You work in extremes and does not seem to see nuance; I get it but the world does not work that way and just because you dont like autonomous cars does not mean that they will not surpass you/our driving ability in the not so distant future. I dont feel hip and fresh having that opinion; its just a rather mondane understanding of technological development.