Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[dragontamer5788]

Washington Post is now posting the CDC documents: https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...ections/94390e3a-5e45-44a5-ac40-2744e4e25f2e/

Some highlights:

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Lots of good stuff in there, really.

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Delta _can_ reinfect, but only after 180 days. Its rate of reinfection is higher than Alpha (and probably the original COVID19). Delta has made "strides" with regards to infection and transmission, but not much against hospitalizations / death with regards to the vaccine. The vaccine still offers protection, but the protection is less than expected now.

 

[Vayra86]

I don't think the moon landing was faked, but I do admit, I find it odd these computers that could barely calculate anything (compared to today) were able to go to the moon several times... and yet today we can barely service the space station, even though the computers have increased a thousand thousand fold in compute power...

Complexity is generally always increasing. If you could take shares in overall complexity of systems it'd be better than real estate. And complexity happens in layers. Look at any OS. Security. Weapons (take off safety or no pulling triggers)...

What they understood in the 40-80's is basically what we are STILL iterating on. But the basic notion of it, the fact it is possible, is unchanged. We just aim to do it in a better way. Space tech is oriented that way. Nuclear power much the same (you cant build a shittier plant than what we have, its literally forbidden to not somehow improve its design)... and IT is now the new layer that is ever better in connecting all these bits of info.

Circling back to the topic.. these new mutations are another example of changes in complexity. Any booster shot we might get is likely going to be tweaked even more precisely. Look at the difference between effect of mRNA and old vaccine tech...

Likewise we can still land on the moon fine but why do it again in such a crude way, we can automate it now and recycle parts. >> SpaceX.

 

[Ahhzz]

Shock finding in Covid vaccine study of more than 1 million people

A new study claims the Pfizer Covid vaccine has a similar blood clotting risk rate to the AstraZeneca jab. Find out what the experts are saying.

au.news.yahoo.com

blood clots just as common in pfizer as astra zeneca from this study. 1 million participants. who knows though.

still glad I got my jab, but I know people who say things like why risk any side effects including bells palsy etc when I am healthy and most likely will just get the sniffles. technically speaking their argument isn't far off, 98% of people just get sniffles. that being said you never know. I am in my early 30's, water only, i don't eat the best but i do ok, and i take a good vitamin regimen/zinc/vitamin c and vitamin D for a few years now. and covid kicked my ass in november. so yeah, you never know really. I don't think anything should be forced, if people want to play the numbers game that's their choice. even if all USA were to get vaccinated 100%, it wouldn't matter 1-2 years from now, planes never stop flying, entire world won't be able to get 100% and never will be able to. Pandora's Box has been opened, there is no closing it now.

I am thankful as crap I work remote.

Everytime someone bring that up, I ask them if they have ever seen guys play beach volley ball. Then, I ask if they know it's an Olympic sport. Then I ask if they think someone who Silver Medaled in Beach Volleyball is in pretty good shape. Then I show them this:
"The 46-year-old, turned away from overwhelmed hospitals in Brazil's northeastern city of Fortaleza late last week, said his symptoms had begun to ease.
"I almost died on Friday night," Araujo said.
"I'm still having a hard time breathing but at least I no longer have fever, maybe because I'm on medication." "

 

[Space Lynx]

Everytime someone bring that up, I ask them if they have ever seen guys play beach volley ball. Then, I ask if they know it's an Olympic sport. Then I ask if they think someone who Silver Medaled in Beach Volleyball is in pretty good shape. Then I show them this:
"The 46-year-old, turned away from overwhelmed hospitals in Brazil's northeastern city of Fortaleza late last week, said his symptoms had begun to ease.
"I almost died on Friday night," Araujo said.
"I'm still having a hard time breathing but at least I no longer have fever, maybe because I'm on medication." "

I understand there are individual case stories that are severe, I even mentioned my own. But statistically speaking if you are young and not obese and healthy overall, 99% chance you will just get sniffles. By young I mean like 35 and under.

I mean its clear the vaccines work, 98% of people in hospitals with covid are unvaccinated, I mean that alone shows they work, breakthrough cases or not. So I am an advocate for the vaccine. Just saying it's important to try to see it from their point of view too... but I agree... better safe than sorry. Especially since Covid is such an odd beast...

How the coronavirus infects cells — and why Delta is so dangerous

Scientists are unpicking the life cycle of SARS-CoV-2 and how the virus uses tricks to evade detection.

www.nature.com

I read this article this morning, watching some of the 'gifs' and other animations in this article is kind of interesting... Covid is truly... well I don't think we ever seen anything like it after reading this article. It's quite scary imo.

I just wish to god my online job would go to full time so I could get stable and setup at a camper away from people near a lake with a kayak and enjoy my life. That's all I want.

 

[dragontamer5788]

I understand there are individual case stories that are severe, I even mentioned my own. But statistically speaking if you are young and not obese and healthy overall, 99% chance you will just get sniffles. By young I mean like 35 and under.

30-39 age group had 0.74 hospitalizations per 100k a few weeks ago. While 60-69 age-group had 1.29 hospitalizations per 100k in the same time period.

Age gives you some protection, but... its really not much. The main thing age helps with is death, but the rates of hospitalization are closer than your post suggests. Data from: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions

 

[Space Lynx]

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30-39 age group had 0.74 hospitalizations per 100k a few weeks ago. While 60-69 age-group had 1.29 hospitalizations per 100k in the same time period.

Age gives you some protection, but... its really not much. The main thing age helps with is death, but the rates of hospitalization are closer than your post suggests. Data from: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions

yeah, it does seem Delta has changed the game some. Read that Nature article I linked. Delta is scarier than shit when you understand the actual science that article shows. I watched the spike gif for like 5 mins, watching it figure out how to enter the cell... weird as crap. It's so alien. haha

My final note is simple, I do believe the mRNA vaccine is way to go. honestly i feel so much more comfortable now having it. not as afraid all the time.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I haven't noticed any real travel restrictions that would limit or prevent any of this presently or future
Seem to have read some are actually being relaxed just for getting the vaccine where as delta don't give a shit if one has it or not.

 

[Space Lynx]

More than 97% of people getting hospitalized with Covid-19 now are unvaccinated, Walensky said last week.

And 99.5% of deaths are among the unvaccinated, US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said Sunday.

I mean these are the only stats I need really that confirm I am glad I got the vaccine. That being said, I hope if I do travel they keep enforcing masks for everyone on the plane... if they stop doing that, I may not fly to visit my friends after all. It makes a lot of sense imo... being confined together in a tin can for 6 hours breathing in very close proximity.

Why the Delta variant is spreading so much faster than other coronavirus strains | CNN

Worldwide, there is an alarming surge in coronavirus cases -- and health experts say a key factor in this latest wave is the highly contagious Delta variant.

www.cnn.com

 

[dragontamer5788]

Hi,
I haven't noticed any real travel restrictions that would limit or prevent any of this presently or future
Seem to have read some are actually being relaxed just for getting the vaccine where as delta don't give a shit if one has it or not.

US States aren't authorized to close off our boarders with other states. Airplane traffic / public transit remains a 100% masked environment, as before. (We never got to take off our masks in public transit in the USA).

I mean, the virus is here in the country. There's no point closing our borders at this point (although other countries may want to close their borders to us...).

 

[Space Lynx]

US States aren't authorized to close off our boarders with other states. Airplane traffic / public transit remains a 100% masked environment, as before. (We never got to take off our masks in public transit in the USA).

I mean, the virus is here in the country. There's no point closing our borders at this point (although other countries may want to close their borders to us...).

Unless a new variant shows up, then we should close borders, but we haven't really been able to do that even once effectively, and UK was not able to stop Delta, they took their sweet time closing and it was to late by the time they blocked off India... it's just yeah... we just have to have to hope this is the worst it gets. I'm still betting on 40% chance we get a horrible mutation of it that spreads easier than Delta and kills millions more than the other variants combined. Time will tell, I hope I am wrong, but I am glad I have a 3 month supply of food regardless. huhuhu

 

[ThrashZone]

US States aren't authorized to close off our boarders with other states. Airplane traffic / public transit remains a 100% masked environment, as before. (We never got to take off our masks in public transit in the USA).

I mean, the virus is here in the country. There's no point closing our borders at this point (although other countries may want to close their borders to us...).

Hi,
And it why we have delta now lol it flew in from India didn't it.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Hi,
And it why we have delta now lol it flew in from India didn't it.

It flew into the UK too, except they have a 80% vaccination rate and just don't give a care. (EDIT out curse word)

Its an issue because various states decided to give up after reaching 35% vaccination rates.

 

[ThrashZone]

It flew into the UK too, except they have a 80% vaccination rate and just don't give a fuck.

Its an issue because various states decided to give up after reaching 35% vaccination rates.

Hi,
So you should admit travel policies are a fucking joke atm

 

[dragontamer5788]

Hi,
So you should admit travel policies are a fucking joke atm

Travel restrictions worked in Taiwan for over a year. But vaccines are clearly the better solution. The problem with travel policies is that someone messes up eventually. And the bigger the country, the easier it is to mess up.

Posted these maps a few days ago. You can see where the problem is occurring. We know what the problem is: the low vaccination rates in various areas.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
But delta doesn't care if one is vaccinated or not you'd still get it and pass it on.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Hi,
But delta doesn't care if one is vaccinated or not you'd still get it and pass it on.

You're welcome to ignore the maps and continue to post one-sentence assertions, but you're not really helping your side of the argument when you do that. If you wish to demonstrate the fact, please post evidence.

Delta does spread among the vaccinated, but the vaccinated don't get sick. As such, its only really a problem for the unvaccinated population (which remains sizable in this country). We can clearly see from the vaccination maps above (remember: Delta is over 90% of cases here in the USA. Stats from July 27th, I screenshotted those posts a few days ago but that's basically all Delta right now).

 

[the54thvoid]

Global travel is how we have a global pandemic. Few countries actually closed their border. NZ was one. Population of 5 million, 26 deaths.

UK kept borders open - UK had terrible policy, all over the place. Thing is, you can't keep borders shut. But vaccinations that keep deaths and hospitalisations way, way down are the only real way to control Covid.

Also, the unvaccinated masses are mo reliable to have Covid, and therefore spread it. The more people are vaccinated, the more the virus ability to spread is weakened. But vaccines wont keep it away if you are exposed to it in a large enough dose. But compared to an unvaccinated person, your chances of severe illness are incredibly small.

 

[64K]

The more I read the more confident I am in the vaccine. If they recommend a third dose of vaccine then I will get it. There are possible side effects like Bell's Palsy but that doesn't bother me much since it is a relatively rare side effect and most recover within a few weeks.

 

[ThrashZone]

You're welcome to ignore the maps and continue to post one-sentence assertions, but you're not really helping your side of the argument when you do that. If you wish to demonstrate the fact, please post evidence.

Delta does spread among the vaccinated, but the vaccinated don't get sick. As such, its only really a problem for the unvaccinated population (which remains sizable in this country). We can clearly see from the vaccination maps above (remember: Delta is over 90% of cases here in the USA. Stats from July 27th, I screenshotted those posts a few days ago but that's basically all Delta right now).

Hi,
You can and will post a bunch of stuff but ignore the obvious real problem
Travel testing is stupidly inadequate coming in or going out and is why we've been put in this situation for the last year in a half in the first place

But keep putting off the real reason if it makes you feel better it's just lame.

 

[dragontamer5788]

You can and will post a bunch of stuff but ignore the obvious real problem

The problem is clear and easily indicated by our map data. The lack of vaccines in huge swaths of our country is causing Delta to spread at far higher rates.

Delta is everywhere. Its in UK. Its in Israel. Its in France, its in Germany. The question is why is the USA doing so uniquely bad, despite having a better vaccine than most other people in the world? (By every measurement, our mRNA vaccines have more protection). Its simple really: we stopped vaccinating, while other countries continue to vaccinate, albeit slower but... slow and steady is winning the race. They're ahead of us now.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
If you need map data and still ignore we and all countries need better testing policies for incoming and outgoing travelers there is no hope for you.

 

[the54thvoid]

@ThrashZone , @dragontamer5788,

I see both points as true. Open borders and crappy screening let it in. Again, New Zealand is the 5 million human study group.

And, tbf, if that had been done, the US, UK, etc would be better. But... Australia is having a bad time controlling it now because although they controlled the borders, their vaccination state is well behind.

Both points are valid.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Hi,
If you need map data and still ignore we and all countries need better testing policies for incoming and outgoing travelers there is no hope for you.

Look, as much as I'd like to close my state's borders and prevent Texans and/or Floridians from coming into my safe state, that's against the Constitution.

 

[the54thvoid]

I mean if you two want to stop bickering, you can laugh at the UK. While India was having its Delta wave, we were allowing people to fly back and forth for various religious festivals and celebrations.

Monumentally short sighted move.

 

[ThrashZone]

I mean if you two want to stop bickering, you can laugh at the UK. While India was having its Delta wave, we were allowing people to fly back and forth for various religious festivals and celebrations.

Monumentally short sighted move.

Hi,
Exactly
Burring ones head in the sand saying better testing for some odd reason is impossible for travelers is disturbing to me
But turn around and saying jabbing the world is a piece of cake is illogical this just ignores why we all have this virus in the first place.
I don't need a map to tell me the obvious dude just switches to local state to state issue lol it's not where this crap originated lol