I hope the new PS5 cooler still works well... awaiting more testing

[Colddecked]

Sony probably found out they overengineered the original cooling solution. As long as it makes it past the warranty period, what do they care.
Highly doubt this will affect boost clocks, Sony never said clock speeds were based on temps, but based on power. Yes it'll run closer to the thermal limit, but don't believe it's anywhere close enough where you're in danger of thermal shutdown.

 

[Vayra86]

I understand what you are saying, but keep in mind that 90% of console gamers are not gaming with a Freesync display, so there will be some stuttering here and there. Consoles are trying to act like PC's too much these days, and the end user is about to find out what that means. If they get a freesync display, I agree it probably won't be noticeable. Also though... its the bait and switch moral of the story here too... really crappy of Sony.

Weren't consoles always a stuttery mess? I mean, the PS3 with sub 30 fps framerates in, truth be told, graphically intensive titles is something I remember vividly. Fallout 3... Heavenly Sword... Holy crap man. It doesn't even matter if its first party or not. I mean... even PS2's Shadow the Colossus was an odd deal in terms of framerates and stutter. Whole sequences as long as a second could just run like staggered frames, as if the half of them got skipped in between. Turn around too fast, and similar things happen in tons of titles. Even on the PC... except we have more flexibility to fix that.

Maybe they're just trying to continue the norm eh, much like how Ubisoft tried to tell the world 30 fps was the best framerate for gaming. Nudges to accomodate an easy and low bar to achieve for people to call things 'Okay'. After all, you do get used to shitty framerates. You adjust to them. Its just a tiny subset of people that won't adjust because they know better.

But whatever it is... Playstations have been problematic since the PS3 onwards. Loud or hot, or just breaking down after rather short time in one way or another. Major design fails are not uncommon either, such as plastic (cheap) lenses for the bluray drive...

Expecting otherwise, to be fair... is surprising. Consoles will always be mass produced and tweaked to give as little as possible for as much money as possible. Just enough to keep people in the ecosystem. And the main differentiator for that, is really not hardware... its the content. Like you said, too. The content is what I like about Sony too... and most likely its the content that'll make them get away with it once more.

 

[Chomiq]

Well here's an interesting note - that teardown was done on a PS5 Digital, not the drive model. People actually own B chassis of the full fat PS5 say it weighs the same as the original one.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well, I haven't had any interest at all in any point so nothing to lose here.

I do, but I'm going to wait for a PS5 Slim. That current hulking monstrosity is just too much..

 

[Space Lynx]

Weren't consoles always a stuttery mess? I mean, the PS3 with sub 30 fps framerates in, truth be told, graphically intensive titles is something I remember vividly. Fallout 3... Heavenly Sword... Holy crap man. It doesn't even matter if its first party or not. I mean... even PS2's Shadow the Colossus was an odd deal in terms of framerates and stutter. Whole sequences as long as a second could just run like staggered frames, as if the half of them got skipped in between. Turn around too fast, and similar things happen in tons of titles. Even on the PC... except we have more flexibility to fix that.

Maybe they're just trying to continue the norm eh, much like how Ubisoft tried to tell the world 30 fps was the best framerate for gaming. Nudges to accomodate an easy and low bar to achieve for people to call things 'Okay'. After all, you do get used to shitty framerates. You adjust to them. Its just a tiny subset of people that won't adjust because they know better.

But whatever it is... Playstations have been problematic since the PS3 onwards. Loud or hot, or just breaking down after rather short time in one way or another. Major design fails are not uncommon either, such as plastic (cheap) lenses for the bluray drive...

Expecting otherwise, to be fair... is surprising. Consoles will always be mass produced and tweaked to give as little as possible for as much money as possible. Just enough to keep people in the ecosystem. And the main differentiator for that, is really not hardware... its the content. Like you said, too. The content is what I like about Sony too... and most likely its the content that'll make them get away with it once more.

I never owned PS3 and PS4 as I mentioned in previous posts.

PS1 and PS2 were just fine to me.

 

[Naito]

Highly doubt this will affect boost clocks, Sony never said clock speeds were based on temps, but based on power. Yes it'll run closer to the thermal limit, but don't believe it's anywhere close enough where you're in danger of thermal shutdown.

Even if they don't directly make use of temperature readings in the equation for the boost clocks, it will still have an affect. The hotter the chip, the higher the power usage. Voltage and clocks then come into play to help prevent damage to the chip. If the console is running hot all the time, not only would it shorten the life it, you'd also experience less performance in operation

 

[Colddecked]

Even if they don't directly make use of temperature readings in the equation for the boost clocks, it will still have an affect. The hotter the chip, the higher the power usage. Voltage and clocks then come into play to help prevent damage to the chip. If the console is running hot all the time, not only would it shorten the life it, you'd also experience less performance in operation

Higher temps dont necessarily mean higher power target. Sony wouldnt risk the outrage theyd get if they lower their boost clock. They wont change just because its 15 degrees to TJmax instead of 20. Theyll let them run hotter and yes it could have an impact on lifespan but itll still last past the warranty.

 

[R0H1T]

There has been no known silicon revision that would dramatically reduce power usage or heat generation

They'll probably move to 6nm or 5nm eventually, they'll just have to as is tradition in the console market. Not necessarily this year or even the next, though it will happen.

Smaller node, better yields, less heat, more efficiency ~ what's not to like?

The only think stopping AMD is really TSMC's capacity!

 

[nguyen]

Look like a big downgrade in cooling capacity, like going from 240mm rad to 120mm rad by looking at fins count.
Without the copper base, VRAM and VRM thermal are gonna be sky high.
What the warranty duration on these PS5? 1 year?

 

[Space Lynx]

Look like a big downgrade in cooling capacity, like going from 240mm rad to 120mm rad by looking at fins count.
Without the copper base, VRAM and VRM thermal are gonna be sky high.
What the warranty duration on these PS5? 1 year?

I just googled it, it is only 1 year... that is a little... disconcerting...

 

[R-T-B]

I just googled it, it is only 1 year... that is a little... disconcerting...

I believe Xbox 360 was the same. That warranty aged well... lol.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

In general, all these companies want their shit to break more(up to a certain point) so you buy more shit. They really don't care about waste. Its not like years ago how stuff was built to last & if and when something breaks, you can get it repaired at a reasonable price or have the repairs covered by an extended warranty.

 

[simlife]

I want more than just benchmarks though, I want a side by side playthrough of the same game on same tv's, same settings across the board, and see if we see any hitching or stuttering during like big fight scenes when a lot of characters are on screen all of the sudden, etc. if both systems hitch for 0.5 seconds at the same time during scenes like that, or if just the one running hotter does it... then we will have our answer.

just numbers benchmarks is not good enough imo, it needs to be a purely visual testing setup.

why... like why.... that is super analizing stuff... that is ment for pc... and your crying about something HIGH paid ppl who know stuff more then you before you SEEANYTHING...

This is a fair point then. Hopefully it all works out. I do know Sony and other console makers have admitted it's time to get rid the of the "BIOS Battery" or at least make it easier to replace so that consoles aren't useless in 10-20 years when those batteries on the console mobo die... so they do make some mistakes mind you, but yeah... I think your argumentation is fair here.

who da hell is regularly playing on consoles 10-20 or so years old... that that would be a issue.. are you playing on the ps2 right now? do you comprehend backswords compatibility....

perhaps if your... odd and toxic crying about daddy with that end of your name you helped him invest and not over invest with the 8,000 post and cry about using a console "10-20" years later... a 400 dollar ps4 running 20 years later you should be praying to sony for something that is under 5 cents a day still working... under 5 cents its 2.50 to 3.00 for soda a a restaurant right now...pick your battles kid....( and comprehend extended math at least a little...)

heck ppl pay 1.5-3times more for phones they give up under 3 year and have regular for over a decade... i assume with the 10-20 years you crying about you have a old old flip phone? if not then wtf... for real...

 

[lexluthermiester]

who da hell is regularly playing on consoles 10-20 or so years old..

I do. I play on my SNES regularly.

that would be a issue..

Why?

are you playing on the ps2 right now?

What's wrong with PS2? Lots of great games there..

Old doesn't mean worthless or useless..

perhaps if your... odd and toxic crying about daddy with that end of your name you helped him invest and not over invest with the 8,000 post and cry about using a console "10-20" years later... a 400 dollar ps4 running 20 years later you should be praying to sony for something that is under 5 cents a day still working... under 5 cents its 2.50 to 3.00 for soda a a restaurant right now...pick your battles kid....

heck ppl pay 1.5-3times more for phones they give up under 3 year and have regular for over a decade... i assume with the 10-20 years you crying about you have a old old flip phone?

Oh please stop with the nonsense...

 

[Tardian]

According to reports, the new PS5—essentially a PS5 Pro—would use a new “semi-customized” 6-nanometer CPU from AMD instead of the 7nm custom 8-core AMD Zen 2 CPU found in the current PS5. This would mean a more powerful, more efficient console, though it’s unclear why these new semiconductors would be easier to come by than the current ones. Perhaps it just makes more sense to implement the mid-lifecycle upgrade sooner than later given current shortages. (The PS4 Pro came out 3 years into the PS4’s lifecycle).

When The New PS5 Pro Could Hit Shelves And What To Expect

A faster, redesigned PlayStation 5 could hit shelves sooner than anyone predicted.

www.forbes.com

 

[eidairaman1]

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That guy, the punch in the face fella that's even worse than Linus.

Nah, Linus is a stooge

When The New PS5 Pro Could Hit Shelves And What To Expect

A faster, redesigned PlayStation 5 could hit shelves sooner than anyone predicted.

www.forbes.com

I see it like this just buy a v1 ps5 lok

 

[Batou1986]

Guess its time for everyone in this thread to eat crow, looks like the giant heatsink in the V1 was overkill and actually restricting airflow.

 

[Space Lynx]

Guess its time for everyone in this thread to eat crow, looks like the giant heatsink in the V1 was overkill and actually restricting airflow.

Call me when Steve from GamersNexus use his advanced equipment to test the VRM's in the new one. Steve tested 95 Celsius on the VRM's on first PS5 review he did, and he had way more advanced equipment than this guy... so I mean... I am taking that 44 celsius VRM temp here with a grain of salt... I trust Steve from GamersNexus way more...

 

[Tardian]

I have used all my magic and will hopefully soon own a new PS5. However, for the 'time poor' souls on TPU who didn't click the link in my above post, I will manage up to provide this quote:

According to reports, the new PS5—essentially a PS5 Pro—would use a new “semi-customized” 6-nanometer CPU from AMD instead of the 7nm custom 8-core AMD Zen 2 CPU found in the current PS5. This would mean a more powerful, more efficient console, though it’s unclear why these new semiconductors would be easier to come by than the current ones.

 

[xkm1948]

I had a gut feeling this is one of lynx29 post from the title. I am not disappointed

 

[Space Lynx]

I had a gut feeling this is one of lynx29 post from the title. I am not disappointed

I'm bit eccentric I know, but y'all love me anyway.

For the record I still love Sony in general - PS branding, the title of this thread is simply that moment when your crush tells you she is not interested in you.

Steve from GamersNexus said he was not impressed with cooling on original PS5 model... so when I saw those pics of the heatsink comparison, I was hoping for just the opposite... more copper not less. lol

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm bit eccentric I know, but y'all love me anyway.

True!

more copper not less. lol

Copper is way expensive ATM.

 

[Space Lynx]

True!

Copper is way expensive ATM.

and this is free market capitalism! what are they waiting for? Sony, raise the price to $699 and call it the Copper Edition PS5! hire me as a copper miner! play metal music, give me a pick axe!!! HERE WE ******* GO BOYS!!!! THIS IS THE FREE MARKETS!!! WHAT THEY WAITING FOR!!!! I'LL FORGE IT TOO! CREATE A FORGE LEXXY BOYO!!!

*jumps on desk and headbangs* ah if only the free markets worked the way they do in my fantasies! what glory we would behold!

 

[Tardian]

and this is free market capitalism! what are they waiting for? Sony, raise the price to $699 and call it the Copper Edition PS5! hire me as a copper miner! play metal music, give me a pick axe!!! HERE WE ******* GO BOYS!!!! THIS IS THE FREE MARKETS!!! WHAT THEY WAITING FOR!!!! I'LL FORGE IT TOO! CREATE A FORGE LEXXY BOYO!!!

*jumps on desk and headbangs* ah if only the free markets worked the way they do in my fantasies! what glory we would behold!

LOL Free Market? Try and get your mitts on a PS5 in the real world. You could pay scalpers $$$$ for a 'new' PS5.

 

[Fourstaff]

Title updated per OP's request.