Windows 11 General Discussion

[Mussels]

Okay, i'm dual booting 10 and 11, installed the same drivers and programs on both (in most cases, from the same files and games are ran off the same SSD)

In 11, ghost recon wildlands stutters like a mofo in DX11 and vulkan, dropping to 5FPS every few seconds
In 10, i see 100FPS + stutter free


Cant for the life of me find the problem, anyone got ideas to smooth out 11?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Cant for the life of me find the problem, anyone got ideas to smooth out 11?

What version of 11 are you on?

 

[Mussels]

What version of 11 are you on?

Was on beta channel, moved to dev channel to no fix
22449.1000 at present

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

(I'm guessing they use a boot-time kernel-level driver?) in their anti-cheat system, but it's relevant to know, I suppose.

My understanding is its always done this and its been a thing peoole have hated since valloant came out

 

[lexluthermiester]

Was on beta channel, moved to dev channel to no fix
22449.1000 at present

That's your problem. The dev channel has a few known issues. Get back on the Beta build channel, 22000.k168 is the most stable version currently. Skip 22000k.176

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Anyone know If its Safe to install next to other hardware yet?
Ive got a 64g ssd free but im still worried it will nuke some other disk in my computer
If its safe ill finally get it out of its Vm

 

[lexluthermiester]

Anyone know If its Safe to install next to other hardware yet?
Ive got a 64g ssd free but im still worried it will nuke some other disk in my computer
If its safe ill finally get it out of its Vm

No and that will not change. Whenever you install Windows you always need to unplug/disable all other bootable drives during installation. This is a standing rule of thumb and has been since Windows 8.

 

[FireFox]

Skip 22000k.176

No reason.
I have it on both SSD and it's working very smoothly.

 

[Mussels]

Huh son of a bitch, figured it out: Gotta have Nvidias Vsync disabled (not on game controlled)

This has taken 3 days of effort...

 

[LordFarquaad]

Was on beta channel, moved to dev channel to no fix
22449.1000 at present

Must still be a beta build, I'm on 22000.176 no updates available

Huh son of a bitch, figured it out: Gotta have Nvidias Vsync disabled (not on game controlled)

This has taken 3 days of effort...

Ah there you go then lol, sorry replied at same time

 

[lexluthermiester]

No reason.
I have it on both SSD and it's working very smoothly.

It has had a number of glitches with certain hardware configs but microsoft has not defined what those are. So I'm advising people to skip 176. IF you're already using it and you have no issues, carry on.

Huh son of a bitch, figured it out: Gotta have Nvidias Vsync disabled (not on game controlled)

This has taken 3 days of effort...

I'm not having that issue, but I don't have Ghost Recon, so can't directly confirm. Not having any issues with the games I do have..

 

[FireFox]

IF you're already using it and you have no issues, carry on.

3 days already using it, playing different games, no issues so far.

 

[Mussels]

It ties into that fix Nvidia put out recently, regarding latency issues on 8 bit screens

They had a "disable MPO" fix which is related to how Vsync works in windowed applications, and multiple of them at the same time... so i guess force disabling Vsync did the same fix, for one specific title. This fix worked for me, but broke alt-tabbing in all games.

Multiplane Overlays or MPO, how do you improve gaming performance? - The Tech Zone

 

[lexluthermiester]

It ties into that fix Nvidia put out recently, regarding latency issues on 8 bit screens

They had a "disable MPO" fix which is related to how Vsync works in windowed applications, and multiple of them at the same time... so i guess force disabling Vsync did the same fix, for one specific title. This fix worked for me, but broke alt-tabbing in all games.

Multiplane Overlays or MPO, how do you improve gaming performance? - The Tech Zone

But this is happening in 11 and not 10? If it were the above issue, would it not be happening on both OSes?

 

[Mussels]

But this is happening in 11 and not 10? If it were the above issue, would it not be happening on both OSes?

Unsure. What clued me in is that my brother has basically the same hardware as me (3080 vs 3090) and he had no issues, the key is that he's on Gsync and i'm on (disabled) freesync.

Something is different between the two OS's with how they handle Vsync, so anyone with gaming issues in 11 should give it a try.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Unsure. What clued me in is that my brother has basically the same hardware as me (3080 vs 3090) and he had no issues, the key is that he's on Gsync and i'm on (disabled) freesync.

Something is different between the two OS's with how they handle Vsync, so anyone with gaming issues in 11 should give it a try.

The devil is in the details. Both OS installs are on the same system, with the same drivers/programs. If the NVidia problem was happening on one, it would be happening on the other. So the problem is more likely to be the OS. You're on a dev build, one that has known problems. If turning the VSync off solves the stutter, then it's likely a OS glitch in handling the VSync functionality.

 

[FireFox]

Both OS installs are on the same system, with the same drivers/

Shouldn't each OS has it's own drivers?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Shouldn't each OS has it's own drivers?

No. The driver model has not changed(AFAIK) between 10 and 11. So the drivers that work on 10 should work on 11 the same way. I've been using Windows 7 drivers on 11 and they work perfectly, so that shouldn't be the problem for Mussels. What it's likely to be is a glitch in the new scheduler routines being tested in 11. 22449.1000 is dev build. It's going to have glitches that 10 does not.

 

[Mussels]

The devil is in the details. Both OS installs are on the same system, with the same drivers/programs. If the NVidia problem was happening on one, it would be happening on the other. So the problem is more likely to be the OS. You're on a dev build, one that has known problems. If turning the VSync off solves the stutter, then it's likely a OS glitch in handling the VSync functionality.

This happened prior to the dev build, updating was an attempt at fixing it. It's a problem that was on 10 and fixed via the nvidia driver, but apparently not for 11.

There is logic behind your assumptions, but they're incorrect based on facts that i stated earlier.

 

[lexluthermiester]

There is logic behind your assumptions, but they're incorrect based on facts that i stated earlier.

Ok, what did I miss?

 

[Mussels]

Ok, what did I miss?

Unless i F'd up and this was another thread, i stated that i upgraded to the dev build *after* noticing the issues in an attempt to fix it - i was on the main beta channel originally.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Unless i F'd up and this was another thread, i stated that i upgraded to the dev build *after* noticing the issues in an attempt to fix it - i was on the main beta channel originally.

Saw that, but again, beta OS and you are not having the same issue in Win10, unless I misunderstood? I'm inclined to think that this is a glitch in Windows 11, likely to be sorted out as the final is finalized.

 

[Mussels]

Saw that, but again, beta OS and you are not having the same issue in Win10, unless I misunderstood? I'm inclined to think that this is a glitch in Windows 11, likely to be sorted out as the final is finalized.

Yes, it is a glitch in 11. With a Vsync related workaround, that is worth knowing about for people gaming on the OS. This is the W11 thread after all.

Also... W11 is past RTM. This build of 11 is pre-installed onto laptops and devices around the world already, updates will arrive by launch but we're damn close to that time and need to be aware of its issues.

Also, W11 is slower at writing to NVME drives for some reason... 4k random got smashed on my samsung drive, but my WD drive is unaffected?


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Right, can anyone with partitions on their drives in W11 check something for me? Or even partition a spare SSD?

4K-64 random writes *tank* when i bench my 128GB OS partitions in W11, yet the same partitions bench at full speed in W10
Secondary partitions on the same drives (D: in each OS) bench at full speed. Results are same PC, like 3 minutes apart (all programs quit, AV paused)

 

[FireFox]

Maybe try another bench software.
AS SSD give me way lower scores than CrystalDiskMark

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
AS SSD is inconsistent garbage CDM for sure just compare to hwinfo64 reading should be clear lol