Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[Ahhzz]

By statistics unless you are over 50 and under 70 with comorbidity getting the vaccine does literally nothing for you statistically speaking. By statistics once we eliminate those with comorbidities under 50 getting the vaccine does nothing for anyone.

Statistics are being manipulated here, and a good friend is a nurse on the Covid Floor, people dying of cancer with Covid are still being counted as Covid, people dying of liver failure form alcohol abuse are being counted as Covid, people dying of COPD and Asthma from years of smoking are counted as Covid deaths.

Nothing against them, but statistics can be manipulated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statistics

Ice cream and crime: Where cold cuisine and hot disputes intersect

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www.nola.com

Should we ban Ice Cream in Chicago to prevent gun deaths?

This is an old discussion. The process of marking people who likely would not have died when they did had they not contracted (for instance) COVID, as COVID deaths because they contracted COVID while also having additional conditions is common practice in the medical field.

 

[Steevo]

You're really going to have to use citations for a bold claim like that.

My brother was exposed to COVID this weekend and thankfully did not catch it. I know this is ancedotal but I credit the vaccine. My brother is healthy and in his 20s, and was in a group with a maskless person who later ended up having COVID.


That's usually because they'd still be here fighting cancer if not for COVID. That's how comorbities work. They died of COVID, all the same.

Conditions Contributing to COVID-19 Deaths, by State and Age, Provisional 2020-2023 | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

data.cdc.gov

You get to make all the graphs and charts you like, and yes, some things aren't called out specifically, so some associative thinking is required.

Fact check: 94% of individuals with additional causes of death still had COVID-19

Shared thousands of times on Facebook, posts claim that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “quietly updated” its COVID-19 data “to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 (U.S.) deaths recorded actually died from (COVID-19).” According to the posts, the CDC...

www.reuters.com

Even Reuters admits at the time of the article being written only 6% of the Covid deaths were single illness deaths, the rest had serious complications.

Conditions Contributing to COVID-19 Deaths, by State and Age, Provisional 2020-2023 | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Effective September 27, 2023, this dataset will no longer be updated. Similar data are accessible from wonder.cdc.gov. This dataset shows health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) by age group and jurisdiction of...

data.cdc.gov

Also the flu seemed to get a lot deadlier for the young and less deadly for the older.

Burden Estimates for the 2016-2017 Influenza Season | CDC

These page includes information about the estimated burden of influenza from past seasons, including tables of the estimated influenza disease burden (and 95% credible interval [Cr I]) by age group.

www.cdc.gov

Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.

www.cdc.gov

A lot to look into, a lot to have personal opinions about, a lot of data that needs a lot of clarification.

 

[claes]

The fact that professional athletes in their early 20s who caught Covid need to use inhalers to continue to play sports should be enough to squash this stupidity. Yes, there can be co-morbidities in Covid statistics, but all that says is that Covid can take someone who probably would have lived with some health issue and then killed them.

Jayson Tatum the latest reminder of COVID's impact on young athletes

Maybe if you see Tatum averaging a career-high 25.9 points per game this season while being named an All-Star for the second straight season, it's not a big deal. But it is a big deal.

sports.yahoo.com

Return to Play for Athletes After COVID-19 Infection

In October 2020, Kim and colleagues, representing the American College of Cardiology’s Sports and Exercise Council, published recommendations1 for the evaluation of athletes who had tested positive for COVID-19 to ensure safe return to play. The group recommended a tiered approach based on the...

jamanetwork.com

Inflammatory Heart Disease in Professional Athletes With Prior COVID-19 and Return-to-Play Cardiac Screening

This cross-sectional study compiles data from multiple North American professional sports teams to assess the prevalence of detectable inflammatory heart disease in professional athletes with prior coronavirus disease 2019 infection.

jamanetwork.com

Elite athletes with COVID-19 — Predictors of the course of disease - PMC

The aim of the study was to identify predictors determining the course of COVID-19 and antibody response in elite athletes. Observational study. Routine medical screening with physical examination, resting ECG, and laboratory tests including ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[R-T-B]

Even Reuters admits at the time of the article being written only 6% of the Covid deaths were single illness deaths, the rest had serious complications.

6% is a far cry from "literally nothing." Keep in mind, you don't have to die to feel the impact of COVID. The vaccine globally reduces the odds you will get severely ill in the first place, across all age groups. This means those that sucessfully beat COVID still could have benefitted from the vaccine by having less symptoms and reducing odds of community spread.

a lot to have personal opinions

I disagree. This is something to leave opinion at the door on. You seem to have an opinion and are looking for data to support it. That's not good science. You should be seeking out data to challenge it, if anything.

 

[Xzibit]

Conditions Contributing to COVID-19 Deaths, by State and Age, Provisional 2020-2023 | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

data.cdc.gov

You get to make all the graphs and charts you like, and yes, some things aren't called out specifically, so some associative thinking is required.

Fact check: 94% of individuals with additional causes of death still had COVID-19

Shared thousands of times on Facebook, posts claim that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “quietly updated” its COVID-19 data “to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 (U.S.) deaths recorded actually died from (COVID-19).” According to the posts, the CDC...

www.reuters.com

Even Reuters admits at the time of the article being written only 6% of the Covid deaths were single illness deaths, the rest had serious complications.

Conditions Contributing to COVID-19 Deaths, by State and Age, Provisional 2020-2023 | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Effective September 27, 2023, this dataset will no longer be updated. Similar data are accessible from wonder.cdc.gov. This dataset shows health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) by age group and jurisdiction of...

data.cdc.gov

Also the flu seemed to get a lot deadlier for the young and less deadly for the older.

Burden Estimates for the 2016-2017 Influenza Season | CDC

These page includes information about the estimated burden of influenza from past seasons, including tables of the estimated influenza disease burden (and 95% credible interval [Cr I]) by age group.

www.cdc.gov

Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.

www.cdc.gov

A lot to look into, a lot to have personal opinions about, a lot of data that needs a lot of clarification.

One interesting note is Vaccination % comparison

47% for seasonal flu
56% for Covid (after 8 months)

People were never going to buy into the vaccination % unless they are coerced through means of making a living

 

[R-T-B]

People were never going to buy into the vaccination % unless they are coerced through means of making a living

I agree as it's been that way every flu season, but you would think threat of severe illness or death would be coercion enough.

Unfortunately, as it's become a public health crisis, less carrot more stick. I expect that to continue.

 

[Steevo]

I agree as it's been that way every flu season, but you would think threat of severe illness or death would be coercion enough.

Unfortunately, as it's become a public health crisis, less carrot more stick. I expect that to continue.

Your carrot means nothing to many, your idea that a immunization that has limited proven success as a government mandate tells me that you feel the government is the solution to a problem they created and threats (the stick) mean less as people are held in concentration camps for a virus that has had human site alterations with some form of government approval to infect humans.

The push back from me on immunization is that I have definitive proof that I have the antibodies and don’t and won’t take a immunization that will do nothing for me, wearing masks and all the other propaganda of fear mongering hasn’t prevented it’s spread and the elimination of rights is never the ground to stand on.

I have heard about how I and many others should “just die already” from it and I refuse.

A few athlete players using inhalers is no more consequential to me than their uneducated views on politics and life when they have proven records showing their own fiscal and personal mismanagement of life when they are retired.

Find a new carrot instead of the rotten one dangled as the 15 days to slow the spread that has resulted in economic and life changing atrocities as rights are stripped away from many as the elite do as they please.

 

[Xzibit]

I agree as it's been that way every flu season, but you would think threat of severe illness or death would be coercion enough.

Unfortunately, as it's become a public health crisis, less carrot more stick. I expect that to continue.

Survival of the Fittest Immune System

From: CDC

I also expect more Tyrannical policies.

 

[95Viper]

Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19 is the topic.
Let's get back on the topic.

 

[the54thvoid]

Deleted all the OT posts. Reply bans given to those who created and prolonged the drama. Don't be offended, you all know how this thread works. The lounge is better suited for such discussion, though rules are still rules.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Influenza lineage extinction during the COVID-19 pandemic? - Nature Reviews Microbiology

The SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has seen a notable global reduction in influenza cases of both influenza A and B viruses. In particular, the B/Yamagata lineage has not been isolated from April 2020 to August 2021, suggesting that this influenza lineage may have become extinct, which may provide...

www.nature.com

Influenza type B/Yamagata hasn't been seen anywhere in the world since early 2020. This article is starting to raise the question: is Influenza type-B/Yamagata extinct?

I don't think so. While the last year of lockdowns + COVID19 outcompeting every other freaking virus has been unusual, I'd be surprised if the virus went extinct from this. Maybe its just really, really suppressed somewhere.

Also, note the exponential scale in the graph. That tricked me for a second.

At a minimum: we can see that the Influenza viruses have had a very, very rough time. All flu-viruses samples in 2020 are 1/10th to 1/50th the size of 2019 (and B/Yamagata being at 0%, not found in any samples at all!)

This means that B/Yamagata will probably be not needed in our "cocktail" of flu-vaccines this year. At least, until B/Yamagata returns, there's no point in vaccinating ourselves against it.

 

[the54thvoid]

Yeah, I've still managed to avoid even catching a cold. Possibly because my wife works from home so she's not being exposed to the spectrum of co-workers with kids who tend to spread everything.

In Scotland, our rates are dropping from a stupendous high. I think there is a point we can all accept (for some countrires it will be a while off) where enough people have caught it and enough vaccines have been administered that Covid is no longer a serious danger. Though, just as flu, it'll still kill the vulnerable.

 

[ThaiTaffy]

Scientists have found three viruses in bats in Laos that are more similar to SARS-CoV-2 than any known viruses. Researchers say that parts of their genetic code bolster claims that the virus behind COVID-19 has a natural origin — but their discovery also raises fears that there are numerous coronaviruses with the potential to infect people.

Closest known relatives of virus behind COVID-19 found in Laos

Studies of bats in China and Laos show southeast Asia is a hotspot for potentially dangerous viruses similar to SARS-CoV-2.

www.nature.com

With rapid climate change and deforestation, and most importantly the total anit-science finger pointing / blame shifting way humanity dealt with COVID19, I have very slim hope that next decade will see any improvement in handling potentially a lot more viral spill over event.

Haha this is extremely funny to me as Loas claimed they didn't have any Covid cases when they had no way of knowing as their testing was non existent.

 

[ThaiTaffy]

I've been vaccinated with sinovac so will need a mRNA booster soon but a funny side effect that is appearing here is those with sinovac have a higher resistance to giant Asian hornet stings(murder hornets). I was attacked a few weeks ago and the doctors said a would be in pain for at least a week, 6 hours later I was fine.

 

[ThaiTaffy]

Still have holes thoughView attachment IMG_20211002_155109.jpg

 

[HTC]

Here are Portugal's updated numbers this week.



The pics are, in order, last day updated numbers and every day since then until yesterday's numbers (click for full picture), and the below numbers are current totals, week totals and daily averaged this week:

The main report wasn't publish on September 30th so i used the situation report instead.

- 30367 active cases --- 1168 less --- 167 less per day
- 1022754 recovered --- 5298 more --- 757 more per day
- 17993 fatalities --- 39 more --- 6 more per day
- 1066945 confirmed infected --- 4169 more --- 596 more per day

- 18640098 tests taken --- 391315 more --- 55902 more per day but was last updated September 30th and it includes antigen tests as well
- 342 hospitalized --- 73 less --- 10 less per day
- 69 in ICU --- 14 less --- 2 less per day

Week fatalities decreased again VS last week and the average is in single digits for the 4th week in a row. The R(t) number increased noticeably and now stands @ 0.91 on average (last updated today). New daily cases decreased substantially and hospitalized / ICU numbers have dropped noticeably VS last week.

We've eased a large chunk of restrictions on October 1st but it will take a while before we see it's effects on Portugal's numbers.

 

[Vayra86]

Though, just as flu, it'll still kill the vulnerable.

And that should be acceptable and reduced to 'this is the norm', because we're very prone to keep responding to (irrational) fear with even more measures. Luckily we see a strong push in governments the world over to return to that norm sooner rather than later. Often even too soon - I don't quite see the slippery slope of rights being reduced and then not restored. The long term slippery slope danger here is really something else: our own fear and response to ban any kind of risk. We're doing it ourselves. The mask discussion is the perfect example, it was a people measure applying high risk hospital ratio to daily life.

Vaccinate, maybe boost once a year if you feel like it, and done. Its what was predicted and its what will happen, all we need is time and evolution to do the work. Realistically, anyone who doesn't vaccinate is simply putting itself on the evolutionary list of deletion much earlier than the rest. This 'problem' of misinformation will eventually solve itself.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Looks like the PRC might've keep quiet about the virus for much longer than first thought.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

PCR kit purchases could indicate COVID began in Wuhan as early as May 2019 | Taiwan News | Oct. 5, 2021 20:04

www.taiwannews.com.tw

 

[Ahhzz]

Looks like the PRC might've keep quiet about the virus for much longer than first thought.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

PCR kit purchases could indicate COVID began in Wuhan as early as May 2019 | Taiwan News | Oct. 5, 2021 20:04

www.taiwannews.com.tw

*sigh* wouldn't surprise me. Might also explain some "phantom" cases of people who had symptoms, but we didn't know to look for anything like that, earlier in the year than we initially thought.

 

[ThrashZone]

*sigh* wouldn't surprise me. Might also explain some "phantom" cases of people who had symptoms, but we didn't know to look for anything like that, earlier in the year than we initially thought.

Hi,
Yeah W.H.O. giving cover for a long time.

 

[the54thvoid]

Hi,
Yeah W.H.O. giving cover for a long time.

That's not how the W.H.O works, especially not in this case. Government's liaise with the organisation and China wasn't doing much liaising with anyone but bats and butchers (wet markets). I know certain people have a hard time believing the W.H.O isn't the enemy but I've said it before; if you want to work with a highly secretive Government, you have to toe-the-line (kind of the same way Western powers coperate with 'bad' actors to maintain stability--or profit--in some regions). But let's not get political and look at the only relevance this article has (and this is a no-shit Sherlock moment) - Covid was on the loose before China acknowledged it. That's what this article is suggesting with 'medium' confidence. I can't believe this surprises anybody. I'll bet Covid was loose in that region months, if not years before the official date.

I'm now LQ'ing these for not being science, data, or stats.

 

[the54thvoid]

I've consulted with the some of the most frequent, recent posters in this thread and as a majority consensus, they agreed this thread has more than served its purpose. Thanks for all the insight, endless graphs, and stastical wizardry.

This is being locked for now but if any major scientific advances occur, PM me and I'll open it back up. The Lounge thread will remain open for now as there are a higher number of contributing posters for that one. However, I can see that being mothballed in the near future as well.

Thanks all.