x58 xeon x5675 overclocking help needed with high speed mem

[DirtyBiker]

I have over 90C in Prime though I have crappy reused TIM even tho I have a custom loop on my Xeon...

whats TIM?

Well that's the best the Rampage 3 Gene can do for now, with this 16 GB mix match 11-11-11-28 junk had to remove the 2 matching corsair XMP 1600 9-9-9-24 (2x4) gig sticks, tried doubling the ram clock on the northbridge clock crash, had to kick it down a notch, but its stable and actually runs this 750Ti nicely in doom and Fortnite, 108 fps in cinebench for a 750 is solid its going to have to settle for the GTX 1050 for now with the price of GPU's might take the RX 570 for a test run though building this one for my nephew to upgrade from his Dell OptiPlex 380 sff 771 bios mod X5650 Xenon I built him 5 years ago, getting the GTX 1050 out of that, it's a full size phoenix fan GPU I striped down to fit in the dell sff case along with his 500 Gb SSD he only plays Fortnite in performance mode but he wants to play COD war zone

Best I can get with the uncore being doubled of the ram this is with turbo enabled resulting 4.52ghz at vcore 1.336v, Qpi/Dram Core Volt =1.25v. I think the ram is possible holding me back as I can't get it to work correctly if I go to the next multi for faster ram the system would take about 2 reboots before posted but with this ram been selected below it don't do the weird reboots
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did you try tightening the timings? try 8-9-9-24 then 8-9-8-24 then lower the RAS timing one at a time 24,23,22,21,20....

 

[Edwired]

whats TIM?

Well that's the best the Rampage 3 Gene can do for now, with this 16 GB mix match 11-11-11-28 junk had to remove the 2 matching corsair XMP 1600 9-9-9-24 (2x4) gig sticks, tried doubling the ram clock on the northbridge clock crash, had to kick it down a notch, but its stable and actually runs this 750Ti nicely in doom and Fortnite, 108 fps in cinebench for a 750 is solid its going to have to settle for the GTX 1050 for now with the price of GPU's might take the RX 570 for a test run though building this one for my nephew to upgrade from his Dell OptiPlex 380 sff 771 bios mod X5650 Xenon I built him 5 years ago, getting the GTX 1050 out of that, it's a full size phoenix fan GPU I striped down to fit in the dell sff case along with his 500 Gb SSD he only plays Fortnite in performance mode but he wants to play COD war zone


did you try tightening the timings? try 8-9-9-24 then 8-9-8-24 then lower the RAS timing one at a time 24,23,22,21,20....

TIM is thermal paste I might try that some day soon as I have asus gtx 1050 ti oc on my system it does the job for me for the games I play. I do have the profile for 4.2ghz with 200bck that is more stable than the one I have at the moment as I am just finding out which one of the settings that needs to be stitched together to make it work

 

[DirtyBiker]

Best I can get with the uncore being doubled of the ram this is with turbo enabled resulting 4.52ghz at vcore 1.336v, Qpi/Dram Core Volt =1.25v. I think the ram is possible holding me back as I can't get it to work correctly if I go to the next multi for faster ram the system would take about 2 reboots before posted but with this ram been selected below it don't do the weird reboots
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have you tried to do it via the BCLK? I tried setting everything at default and setting DRAM Frequency from 1333 to 1600 its a no go, if you want to go higher DRAM Frequency, lower the multiplier (CPU ratio) and raise the BCLK Frequency to bring the CPU clock back up just make sure your QPI data rate stays below 7500 also lower the UCLK one or two notches you can always try raising it once you test it

TIM is thermal paste I might try that some day soon as I have asus gtx 1050 ti oc on my system it does the job for me for the games I play. I do have the profile for 4.2ghz with 200bck that is more stable than the one I have at the moment as I am just finding out which one of the settings that needs to be stitched together to make it work

where is the QPI data rate at 200 BCLK? I don't think you can go past a QPI of 7500 stable

 

[Edwired]

have you tried to do it via the BCLK? I tried setting everything at default and setting DRAM Frequency from 1333 to 1600 its a no go, if you want to go higher DRAM Frequency, lower the multiplier (CPU ratio) and raise the BCLK Frequency to bring the CPU clock back up just make sure your QPI data rate stays below 7500 also lower the UCLK one or two notches you can always try raising it once you test it


where is the QPI data rate at 200 BCLK? I don't think you can go past a QPI of 7500 stable

I let you know later on once I save the profile and load up the 200bclk profile to tell you what it running

 

[DirtyBiker]

No I don't use nvme m.2 pcie ssd as I'm currently running crucial mx100 ssd as my main operating system. I'm guessing it might be an older aida64 at the time and I never spotted that. As it might be a bug in the older adia64 in displaying the details correctly

Yep it works booting cloned windows 11 NVME M.2 over PCIE x4 on X58

 

[Ruru]

TIM = Thermal Interface Material

 

[Edwired]

Yep it works booting cloned windows 11 NVME M.2 over PCIE x4 on X58

What board you using to get that working and what the read and write performance is like on that?

Booted the 200bck profile it reporting qpi link under 7200 in the bios and according to cpuid it under 3600mhz x2 = 7200. Might have abit of wiggle room there to keep it under 7500 maybe but I do know that the uncore might not handle higher speed depending on the cpu multi. Then again it might be the cpu clock after 4.52ghz it might end up in a black hole so I could say I might have found the wall there but it hard to know at this moment so yeah it pretty much where I can get it to this stage I'm happy enough with the two profiles that I have running with the x5675 with different benefits depending on my mood

As well the 200bclk profile have the 4.20ghz with vcore peaking at 1.280v where the other profile it peaked at 1.344v but settles to 1.336v

 

[Ruru]

Does your board go over 200?

 

[Edwired]

Does your board go over 200?

I tried to go higher before I think the highest I got was 213 on the first go but soon I put the computer to sleep it never recovered from that I think it was walking on thin ice so yeah just have to find a happy medium between the two profiles that I have so got to hand pick each one to make it a good rounder between performance and stability

 

[Ruru]

I tried to go higher before I think the highest I got was 213 on the first go but soon I put the computer to sleep it never recovered from that I think it was walking on thin ice so yeah just have to find a happy medium between the two profiles that I have so got to hand pick each one to make it a good rounder between performance and stability

Hm, I need to try mine.. 210 is okay at least.

 

[Edwired]

Hm, I need to try mine.. 210 is okay at least.

I did noticed that you mentioned that you were running with multi x20 to get 210 bclk, what the completed voltage settings did you used to get there

 

[Ruru]

I did noticed that you mentioned that you were running with multi x20 to get 210 bclk, what the completed voltage settings did you used to get there

Yeah I'm running my X5650 @ 20x210

 

[lexluthermiester]

windows 7 I thought that OS was dead

Just because it's unsupported by ms doesn't mean it's dead. 20% of the worlds PC are still on it. Now XP is dead. Only a niche group of users still use it, but generally people don't get on the internet with it.

Nice build BTW!

 

[freeagent]

Now XP is dead.

I was shocked as shit to see the computers at work are still running XP.. on super nice big monitors. WTF indeed..

Generally, to run mems over 1000MHz on X58 you need an i7, or a W series, because they have the dividers you desire. Then you will need to pair it with a nice uncore divider, preferably over 3600Mhz. to get that nice low latency. Or, you could try to find some ram that will do 800MHz C6 or so. Or C7 at 900MHz and up.. Hypers. Maybe some BBSE, but I would try to find some old school Hypers first.

 

[DirtyBiker]

What board you using to get that working and what the read and write performance is like on that?

That's the rampage 3 Gene X58 I had all my PC's on the windows insider program cloned the drive from my optiplex 780 the benchmarks are attached I used the Samsungs benchmark utility. Windows 11 is easy, download windows 11 from Microsoft then use a Windows 10 USB install and swap the install.wim file located in the sources folder with the same windows 11 install.wim so your using the windows 10 usb installer to install windows 11 if you don't want to use a Microsoft account choose win 11 pro you will need a Windows 7,8,10 pro license key if your machine doesn't already have a digital license. Download Windows 10 Insider Preview ISO (microsoft.com) scroll to the bottom of page and download 11 beta 22000.194 you will only need the install.wim from this download to replace the install.wim on your 10 USB installer then you can clean install or just run it in windows as an upgrade

What board you using to get that working and what the read and write performance is like on that?

Booted the 200bck profile it reporting qpi link under 7200 in the bios and according to cpuid it under 3600mhz x2 = 7200. Might have abit of wiggle room there to keep it under 7500 maybe but I do know that the uncore might not handle higher speed depending on the cpu multi. Then again it might be the cpu clock after 4.52ghz it might end up in a black hole so I could say I might have found the wall there but it hard to know at this moment so yeah it pretty much where I can get it to this stage I'm happy enough with the two profiles that I have running with the x5675 with different benefits depending on my mood

As well the 200bclk profile have the 4.20ghz with vcore peaking at 1.280v where the other profile it peaked at 1.344v but settles to 1.336v

have you run Cinebench on that 4.52 overclock? whats the score?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I was shocked as shit to see the computers at work are still running XP.. on super nice big monitors. WTF indeed..

XP was supported on hardware as new as socket 2011-3, which means it can be run on some seriously powerful hardware still. Running XP on X58 is trivial. So if the OP so desired, they would have no problems doing so.

 

[Edwired]

That's the rampage 3 Gene X58 I had all my PC's on the windows insider program cloned the drive from my optiplex 780 the benchmarks are attached I used the Samsungs benchmark utility. Windows 11 is easy, download windows 11 from Microsoft then use a Windows 10 USB install and swap the install.wim file located in the sources folder with the same windows 11 install.wim so your using the windows 10 usb installer to install windows 11 if you don't want to use a Microsoft account choose win 11 pro you will need a Windows 7,8,10 pro license key if your machine doesn't already have a digital license. Download Windows 10 Insider Preview ISO (microsoft.com) scroll to the bottom of page and download 11 beta 22000.194 you will only need the install.wim from this download to replace the install.wim on your 10 USB installer then you can clean install or just run it in windows as an upgrade


have you run Cinebench on that 4.52 overclock? whats the score?

I was referring to the nvme to pcie board what model and brand is it? Not too sure about the cinebench score with the 4.52ghz it might even crash during the run. I haven't ran it yet

 

[DirtyBiker]

I was referring to the nvme to pcie board what model and brand is it? Not too sure about the cinebench score with the 4.52ghz it might even crash during the run. I haven't ran it yet

nothing special $6.00 protronix any PCIE 4x card will work Just make sure its NVME and not sata this one had both I didn't know if i was going to need a special sata drive to pre boot but didn't end up needing it with the Samsung 950 pro

 

[DirtyBiker]

I was referring to the nvme to pcie board what model and brand is it? Not too sure about the cinebench score with the 4.52ghz it might even crash during the run. I haven't ran it yet

I'm actually going to get one that fits x16 without the back plate it's lower profile has a heat sink and utilizes the pcie 16x clip to hold it down instead of the back plate its still only 4x electrical but pcie 4x 2.0 I wanted to use this one in my 4x slot but it's only pcie 1.0 half the speed of the 2.0 x16

 

[Edwired]

I'm actually going to get one that fits x16 without the back plate it's lower profile has a heat sink and utilizes the pcie 16x clip to hold it down instead of the back plate its still only 4x electrical but pcie 4x 2.0 I wanted to use this one in my 4x slot but it's only pcie 1.0 half the speed of the 2.0 x16

Was thinking about getting one for testing purposes but there's too many variations of it online

 

[DirtyBiker]

Was thinking about getting one for testing purposes but there's too many variations of it online

well when I bought this one I was going for (1) cheap (2) I didn't know the 4X slot on this board was only PCIE 1.0, this card still works in the 16x slot but its tall and blocks air flow to the video card, if i'm only going to use one drive and the 16x 2.0 slot I might as well have a heatsink and utilize the retention clip looks cleaner and les air flow blockage I highly recommend it because the marvel sata 3 6Gb sucks on this board and you can turn it off but I will probably use it in raid 0 with two 1 TB hard drives for storage I'm going to try it today with a couple old laptop hard drives and see what kind of speed I can get

 

[Edwired]

well when I bought this one I was going for (1) cheap (2) I didn't know the 4X slot on this board was only PCIE 1.0, this card still works in the 16x slot but its tall and blocks air flow to the video card, if i'm only going to use one drive and the 16x 2.0 slot I might as well have a heatsink and utilize the retention clip looks cleaner and les air flow blockage I highly recommend it because the marvel sata 3 6Gb sucks on this board and you can turn it off but I will probably use it in raid 0 with two 1 TB hard drives for storage I'm going to try it today with a couple old laptop hard drives and see what kind of speed I can get

That interesting to know as did abit of reading online it looks like it have to be certain adapter to work on the x58 platform as some requires sata cable connected to the adapter to one of the sata ports (not using the marvel sata controller) for it to work and be detected by the bios. Not 100% sure what way it communicating to the motherboard. But the interesting thing is that some of the adapters are limited to x4 as seen some are x8 and x16 but some have multi slots supported because the pcb have being designed with different keyed so it can support different pcie slots like pcie x1 to x16

But the main question that concerns me is when the adapter is been used in the second pci-e x16 slot like example asus p6x58d-e that have two pci-e x16 as the gtx 1050 ti in the primary slot and the adapter is in the secondary slot. Will this change the pci-e mode from x16 to x8 on both slots been occipied. Is there a performance hit doing this method as I am really curious

 

[DirtyBiker]

marvel raid 0 on SATA 1.0 5400 rpm laptop hard drives, actually almost doubled performance, compared to intel in AHCI mode it only scored 36 MBPS read, should work great with a couple of new WD blue 1 Tb 7200 rpm hard drives

That interesting to know as did abit of reading online it looks like it have to be certain adapter to work on the x58 platform as some requires sata cable connected to the adapter to one of the sata ports (not using the marvel sata controller) for it to work and be detected by the bios. Not 100% sure what way it communicating to the motherboard. But the interesting thing is that some of the adapters are limited to x4 as seen some are x8 and x16 but some have multi slots supported because the pcb have being designed with different keyed so it can support different pcie slots like pcie x1 to x16

But the main question that concerns me is when the adapter is been used in the second pci-e x16 slot like example asus p6x58d-e that have two pci-e x16 as the gtx 1050 ti in the primary slot and the adapter is in the secondary slot. Will this change the pci-e mode from x16 to x8 on both slots been occipied. Is there a performance hit doing this method as I am really curious

actually if you want to run NVME you don't need or want the SATA style there keyed different then NVME M.2 which interfaces directly through PCIE lanes (no sata cable) also there all X4 electrically there just X4-X8-X16 to fit the different PCIE slots, any of these can work in a 16x slot and a 4X will also work in an 8X slot. If your motherboard doesn't have X4-8X PCIE 2.0-3.0 but like mine has X16 2.0-4X 1.1 then you should get the 16X card for faster speed of pcie 2.0 vs 1.0, if you want to use it as a boot drive you will need the Samsung 850 pro NVME M.2 drive, it's the only one I know of that supports legacy bios. if your just using it for storage then any NVME M.2 drive will work, I found mine new old stock on eBay for $90. as you can see in the picture the top slot is un populated that's SATA only works with the sata cable interface the bottom one is NVME direct PCIE interface that's an X4 card in the X16 slot. no performance hit because its only using the X4 2.0 signal from the X16 slot, the rampage 3 gene can run SLI so booth slots run @ X16 I will test the drive on my P6X58D-E and see if the VGA is running @X16. as you can see in AIDA 64 the VGA throttles when in use from 1.1 to 2.0

 

[Edwired]

marvel raid 0 on SATA 1.0 5400 rpm laptop hard drives, actually almost doubled performance, compared to intel in AHCI mode it only scored 36 MBPS read, should work great with a couple of new WD blue 1 Tb 7200 rpm hard drives


actually if you want to run NVME you don't need or want the SATA style there keyed different then NVME M.2 which interfaces directly through PCIE lanes (no sata cable) also there all X4 electrically there just X4-X8-X16 to fit the different PCIE slots, any of these can work in a 16x slot and a 4X will also work in an 8X slot. If your motherboard doesn't have X4-8X PCIE 2.0-3.0 but like mine has X16 2.0-4X 1.1 then you should get the 16X card for faster speed of pcie 2.0 vs 1.0, if you want to use it as a boot drive you will need the Samsung 850 pro NVME M.2 drive, it's the only one I know of that supports legacy bios. if your just using it for storage then any NVME M.2 drive will work, I found mine new old stock on eBay for $90. as you can see in the picture the top slot is un populated that's SATA only works with the sata cable interface the bottom one is NVME direct PCIE interface that's an X4 card in the X16 slot. no performance hit because its only using the X4 2.0 signal from the X16 slot, the rampage 3 gene can run SLI so booth slots run @ X16 I will test the drive on my P6X58D-E and see if the VGA is running @X16. as you can see in AIDA 64 the VGA throttles when in use from 1.1 to 2.0

I understand now as the gpu will drop to x1.1 when it in idle state but jump back up to x2.0 when it gets busy. I have Crucial mx100 250gb ssd as my main operating system as I was thinking of finding a nvme drive and the adapter for storage mainly for games for stutter free experience since I have a seagate ST1000DM003-1CH162 (931 GB) it runs 7200rpm it struggling to keep up with the games loading and during game play due to frames dropping I have with it. As the drive is not failing and have 100% health.

 

[DirtyBiker]

I understand now as the gpu will drop to x1.1 when it in idle state but jump back up to x2.0 when it gets busy. I have Crucial mx100 250gb ssd as my main operating system as I was thinking of finding a nvme drive and the adapter for storage mainly for games for stutter free experience since I have a seagate ST1000DM003-1CH162 (931 GB) it runs 7200rpm it struggling to keep up with the games loading and during game play due to frames dropping I have with it. As the drive is not failing and have 100% health.

then yes you can find much cheaper drive options for storage note you will need to format it in disk management for it to be useable, I would suggest the X16 style card no need for the backplate bracket and locks into place via the X16 PCIe retention clip, you could also use your motherboards (X8 electrical X16 PCIe) slot even if you use the X4 slot it will be plenty fast for game loads I was getting 900 Mbps on the X4 1.0 slot vs 1600 Mbps in the 2.0 slot or you could just get another seagate 931 GB HDD and run it in raid 0 doubles the size and speed, my two 80 GB garbage laptop drives report as being 147 GB in raid 0 and doubled the speed you can configure them in drive expert in the bios in super speed mode