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I did tried to download CCeaner but could not get it to download on VISTA .
You mean recently? You'd need an older version to work with Vista.
I want to buy some DVD-r discs but the TDK ones i want to buy are 1x8,i see that most of the other ones are 1x16 ,what are the differences ,should i go for the 1x16? o_O
Not really. It's best to burn at slower 2x or 4x speeds to get stable recordings anyway. So that difference in speed doesn't matter much.

TDK, anyone? :)
THAT takes me back... I suddenly feel old again... Damn you Trekkie. :laugh::roll:
 
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TDK, anyone? :)
Does anyone still buy them cassettes that is? :) I suppose some of you in this forum do.I have got this classic Dolby s machine ,i have had it since new and hardly used it.The cheapest price £85on eBAY.Mind you it is like new so i should be able to get a fair bit more.:)It was a good machine with the Dolby S ,mind you do loose something in the sound when it is on.
 
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Does anyone still buy them cassettes that is? :) I suppose some of you in this forum do.I have got this classic Dolby s machine ,i have had it since new and hardly used it.The cheapest price £85on eBAY.Mind you it is like new so i should be able to get a fair bit more.:)It was a good machine with the Dolby S ,mind you do loose something in the sound when it is on.
That was a good deck! Nice!
 
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THAT takes me back... I suddenly feel old again... Damn you Trekkie. :laugh::roll:
Go ahead, blame it all on me... It's not my fault that you're getting old :)

Does anyone still buy them cassettes that is? :) I suppose some of you in this forum do.I have got this classic Dolby s machine ,i have had it since new and hardly used it.The cheapest price £85on eBAY.Mind you it is like new so i should be able to get a fair bit more.:)It was a good machine with the Dolby S ,mind you do loose something in the sound when it is on.
Pre-recorded tapes or blank ones? I no longer buy blank ones (although I used to, back in late 90s up to early 2000s) but I wouldn't mind buying pre-recorded ones with music. Just like I wouldn't mind buying vinyl albums, or even (in worst case scenario) CDs. One of the media sources which I'll never accept & embrace is digital streaming/on demand but that's a whole other story, for some other occasion.

Regarding that cassette deck, it looks nice. Dolby S, soft touch control with full-logic mechanism, pretty decent unit from what I can tell. The only potential issue that I could think of would be the actual condition ... has it been recently serviced? Belts need to be replaced every once in a while, pinch roller carefully cleaned (or even replaced), etc, etc. I once bought a dual Kenwood deck at the local flea market for next to nothing, but unfortunately it turned out to be a "lemon". All of the 4 belts were shot, rollers extremely dirty & worn out, I've had my hands full getting it back in shape. Eventually I did (also worth pointing out is that I've done all the work myself) but it cost me a LOT more than it's worth.

However, I also scored audiophile-grade Pioneer CT91a, reference-design deck from that "TDK" photo posted earlier, and I managed to get it for free. Therefore I only had to pay for parts, rubber belts & idler tire which (compared to the actual value of 91a) cost me nothing. So ... it's always a gamble with these things, but sometimes it pays off :)
 
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Mainly have some CPU-Z validations today. I already posted about this motherboard so I'll save you some space here.

I have a total of four Phenom II X4 960T CPUs: one does not unlock at all, and the rest unlock up to 6 cores and are all stable at 4.0GHz+ (yay!). All three that do so, have a core that eventually craps out past ~4.10-4.20GHz, limiting reasonable all-core OC to about 4.1GHz. To list:

#1, prod wk 39 / 2011: Tops out at 4.177GHz, 6-cores
#2, prod wk 40 / 2011: Took this down to 5 cores but got them stable at 4.31GHz, ~1.6v (most efficient sample I tested)
#3, prod wk 40 / 2011 (not a typo): Did mainly suicide runs with this one as it didn't do so well all-core ( < = 4.1GHz 6c stable) and was hotter overall, so I gradually took down each individual core that died first at a given voltage/frequency in Prime95 blend. Luckily core 1 was pretty robust, as it is impossible to disable it in BIOS unless you press the power button :) Max speeds that I could validate were 4.4GHz 5c (!), and 4.55GHz with 3 cores enabled, all at 1.6v. Deactivating the last worst core unfortunately was not fruitful at higher frequencies, therefore I probably reached this sample's limits on air or core 1 was the next worst core.
#4, prod wk 44 / 2011: doesn't unlock either core so I didn't bother overclocking it yet :p it's in time-out.

I clearly did not push HT or NB speeds for any of this, just wanted to get the core up there. Specs:
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Would love to hear from others who know what these chips do under typical conditions, this is the most recent platform I've been playing around with and learning about. For example what's considered a good RAM speed for these CPUs? From what I can gather, Phenom II best likes low-med frequency, tightest possible timings. I couldn't push higher-rated RAM very much past 1600MHz even at a high CPU/NB voltage, so I expect the ceiling to be low on that front...
My 960T unlocked.
CPUz misread core count. It is 6c/6t
Sweet spot for ram speed is 1600-1800
Sweet spot for CPU/NB is 2800, + or -


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My 960T unlocked.
CPUz misread core count. It is 6c/6t
Sweet spot for ram speed is 1600-1800
Sweet spot for CPU/NB is 2800, + or -


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Could the misread be because it's detected as "model unknown"? Never seen with Phenom that the core/thread ratio is reported incorrectly.
 
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Could the misread be because it's detected as "model unknown"? Never seen with Phenom that the core/thread ratio is reported incorrectly.
Probably. There were a lot of flakey CPUz versions.
Could also be bios version on the board I was using. Who knows.
 
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Would love to hear from others who know what these chips do under typical conditions, this is the most recent platform I've been playing around with and learning about. For example what's considered a good RAM speed for these CPUs? From what I can gather, Phenom II best likes low-med frequency, tightest possible timings. I couldn't push higher-rated RAM very much past 1600MHz even at a high CPU/NB voltage, so I expect the ceiling to be low on that front...
Nice overclocks on these Phenoms!

I've got a Phenom II system that I use regularly. It's an X4 975 oc'd to 4163 MHz on Asus Crosshair IV Formula. CPU-NB is at 2925 MHz and RAM at 1800. It fails Prime at these settings, but is stable in everyday use and games. It boots at 4500 MHz and loads Windows at 4388 MHz with Vcore on auto. I didn't bother to find the limits of the CPU or memory, as I prefer to have a working backup rig.

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Go ahead, blame it all on me... It's not my fault that you're getting old :)


Pre-recorded tapes or blank ones? I no longer buy blank ones (although I used to, back in late 90s up to early 2000s) but I wouldn't mind buying pre-recorded ones with music. Just like I wouldn't mind buying vinyl albums, or even (in worst case scenario) CDs. One of the media sources which I'll never accept & embrace is digital streaming/on demand but that's a whole other story, for some other occasion.

Regarding that cassette deck, it looks nice. Dolby S, soft touch control with full-logic mechanism, pretty decent unit from what I can tell. The only potential issue that I could think of would be the actual condition ... has it been recently serviced? Belts need to be replaced every once in a while, pinch roller carefully cleaned (or even replaced), etc, etc. I once bought a dual Kenwood deck at the local flea market for next to nothing, but unfortunately it turned out to be a "lemon". All of the 4 belts were shot, rollers extremely dirty & worn out, I've had my hands full getting it back in shape. Eventually I did (also worth pointing out is that I've done all the work myself) but it cost me a LOT more than it's worth.

However, I also scored audiophile-grade Pioneer CT91a, reference-design deck from that "TDK" photo posted earlier, and I managed to get it for free. Therefore I only had to pay for parts, rubber belts & idler tire which (compared to the actual value of 91a) cost me nothing. So ... it's always a gamble with these things, but sometimes it pays off :)
Thr pre recorded ones well the ones in the 70,s anyway,you could record better ones your self .I suppose they must be hard to get now, the blank ones that is.They started to get better the pre recorded ones in the 80,s with using beter tapes like Chrome and metal ones ,I see you can get new ones on eBay.5 Chrome c90 for 25 pounds.The Metal ones cheapest on eBAY pre owned 12 pounds for a c90. o_OVinyl are the best thanks to the Dj,s in the 90,s for keepong them alive.:)I have not bought any for years though.I used to get them very cheap but now people are more knowledgeable how much stuff is worth.So it is hard to get a bargin :(It,s to much trouble looking thriugh charity shops record bins ,most of it is crap.Cd,s are as cheap as chips on the uk.Kenwood was a good make,nothing to do with the cookware of the time.Thats good when you get stuff free like a lot of Retro utubers and LGR in particuler,That utuber is my all time go to Rerto person. :)
 
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Thr pre recorded ones well the ones in the 70,s anyway,you could record better ones your self .I suppose they must be hard to get now, the blank ones that is.They started to get better the pre recorded ones on the 80,s withusing beter tapes usung Chrome and metal ones ,I see you can get new ones on eBay.5 Chrome c90 for 25 pounds.The Metal ones cheapest on eBAY pre owned 12 pounds for a c90. o_OVinyl are the best thanks to the Dj,s in the 90,s for keepong them alive.:)I have not bought any for years though.I used to get them very cheap but now people are more knowledgeable how much stuff is worth.So it is hard to get a bargin :(It,s to much trouble looking thriugh charity shops record bins ,most of it is crap.
whoa... I had a few of those chromes... wonder if I have any left unopened...
 
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Finally got myself a proper AM3 board.

I have previously been using AM3 CPUs with my AM3+ 990FX Sabertooth R2.0 since the only AM3 boards I owned until now were OEM. Although the Sabertooth works great, it cannot unlock cores, only the r1.0 version can.

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I got it for pretty cheap with an fx4100, all listed for parts. Seller said the board doesn't boot half of the time and the CPU was untested. Turns out the 4100 is dead (Don't really care since I already have a 4130 and only really wanted the board) but the board seems to post and operate fine every time with a working CPU installed. Despite being am3 the board supports up to an 8350 with the later versions and seems to work properly with my 4130.

Will do more testing later, but so far I chucked in my Athlon ii X3 450 and have been tinkering.
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Was able to unlock the 4th core:
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For the photo, I have my rather scratched up Phenom ii X6 1045t installed. This also was sold as only booting half of the time from a friend. Although it would only boot half of the time initially, it has self healed and works perfectly now.

I have tried to oc it a little on the Sabertooth but never sunk much time into it. I think I'll give ocing it a shot here. Might get 4ghz or so.
 
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Marketing claims that this is a 8-phase, I personally think this is a 4+1 phase VRM with 2 high, 2 low side MOSFETs, 2 inductors/phase? I don't fully understand VRMs, this is one of my weakest areas, so if anyone knows what they're talking about I'd love to hear your opinion on this.
Nope, it's 8 phase. 2 mosfets per phase with a choke each. The extra choke is likely a line conditioner for the input voltage.
You're definitely correct, I found this AM3 VRM spreadsheet which I had previously looked over because I was focused on the AM3+ list, and it confirms it's an 8+1 phase. Also, confirms that the M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 is 8+2 :D Source w/ other sockets too

I got it for pretty cheap with an fx4100, all listed for parts. Seller said the board doesn't boot half of the time and the CPU was untested. Turns out the 4100 is dead (Don't really care since I already have a 4130 and only really wanted the board) but the board seems to post and operate fine every time with a working CPU installed. Despite being am3 the board supports up to an 8350 with the later versions and seems to work properly with my 4130.
I didn't know that about the Sabertooth revisions, thank you for sharing.

A word of caution if you didn't already know: MSI usually had terrible VRMs from the 700-900 ATI/AMD chipset series (until late in the 900 life cycle), they were poorly engineered and I personally experienced a VRM failure out of the blue years ago using an FX-8350 on a 970A-G43 (not overclocked). The 890FXA GD70 suffers from some VRM issues as well, mainly no VRM thermal throttling/shutdown and some failures with overclocking Phenom II 6-core parts (and presumably, 6/8c FX parts). This is not to degrade your purchase whatsoever, just advice, I would rather you not break such a pretty board or any valuable CPU. And it's not that bad, you can definitely OC, you just gotta point a fan at the VRM and make sure it's not going over 100°C and that's fixed ;) The links I gave above to @lexluthermiester have spreadsheets with all brands' boards of a given socket, in case you would like to read up. For convenience here's MSI.
 
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You're definitely correct, I found this AM3 VRM spreadsheet which I had previously looked over because I was focused on the AM3+ list, and it confirms it's an 8+1 phase. Also, confirms that the M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 is 8+2 :D Source w/ other sockets too


I didn't know that about the Sabertooth revisions, thank you for sharing.

A word of caution if you didn't already know: MSI usually had terrible VRMs from the 700-900 ATI/AMD chipset series (until late in the 900 life cycle), they were poorly engineered and I personally experienced a VRM failure out of the blue years ago using an FX-8350 on a 970A-G43 (not overclocked). The 890FXA GD70 suffers from some VRM issues as well, mainly no VRM thermal throttling/shutdown and some failures with overclocking Phenom II 6-core parts (and presumably, 6/8c FX parts). This is not to degrade your purchase whatsoever, just advice, I would rather you not break such a pretty board or any valuable CPU. And it's not that bad, you can definitely OC, you just gotta point a fan at the VRM and make sure it's not going over 100°C and that's fixed ;) The links I gave above to @lexluthermiester have spreadsheets with all brands' boards of a given socket, in case you would like to read up. For convenience here's MSI.

This thread gives a lot more information about it. The 990FX Sabertooth R2.0 and R3.0 don't have the bios option nor can it easier enabled. I considered bios modding but after looking at that, it doesn't seem easy since they could not get it working quite right. I like the board, and that's about the only thing it's missing. I just need to get a FX9xxx for it or even just an 8xxx.

Thanks for a heads up about the VRM on the MSI. No thermal protection is suprising considering AM3 is not completely archaic yet.

I did not specifically seek out this model, I just saw the auction was ending soon and super cheap so I placed a bid. Any reccomendations for software to see the vrm temp? Is hwinfo good enough?

I don't have any really valuable CPUs to chuck in here, although at some point a higher end x6 would be nice. The 1045t I have is pretty meh silicon iirc.
 
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This thread gives a lot more information about it. The 990FX Sabertooth R2.0 and R3.0 don't have the bios option nor can it easier enabled. I considered bios modding but after looking at that, it doesn't seem easy since they could not get it working quite right. I like the board, and that's about the only thing it's missing. I just need to get a FX9xxx for it or even just an 8xxx.

Thanks for a heads up about the VRM on the MSI. No thermal protection is suprising considering AM3 is not completely archaic yet.

I did not specifically seek out this model, I just saw the auction was ending soon and super cheap so I placed a bid. Any reccomendations for software to see the vrm temp? Is hwinfo good enough?

I don't have any really valuable CPUs to chuck in here, although at some point a higher end x6 would be nice. The 1045t I have is pretty meh silicon iirc.
That is indeed pretty unfortunate. Was my dream board back in the day for the same reason (still want one), it has nearly everything.

MSI apparently fired those engineers, so I think management was pretty surprised too... As for telling the VRM temp, yeah I always use HWiNFO64 for software, but there's not always a sensor for it and it's not always labeled "VRM" / "VREG" if there is (ASUS sometimes labels it as "AUX"). In such cases I use a cheap IR thermal gun to measure VRM, NB, SB and RAM temps.

You can often find a Phenom 960T Black Edition on eBay or AliExpress for around $20-$25, if it's a later production date you might get good silicon quality for much cheaper than a guaranteed 6-core.
 

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Also didn't know that the newer Sabertooths lacked the option to unlock cores. Probably they were more FX optimized so they didn't think that it's an neccessary option?
 
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Also didn't know that the newer Sabertooths lacked the option to unlock cores. Probably they were more FX optimized so they didn't think that it's an neccessary option?
The thread I linked above notes something about Windows 8 compatability. Maybe the issue lies there?

The 2.0 is mostly the same as the 1.0 but with added support for FX9000 and a few other tweaks. 3.0 is the 2.0 but with PCIe 3.0
 
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Pre-recorded tapes or blank ones? I no longer buy blank ones (although I used to, back in late 90s up to early 2000s) but I wouldn't mind buying pre-recorded ones with music. Just like I wouldn't mind buying vinyl albums, or even (in worst case scenario) CDs. One of the media sources which I'll never accept & embrace is digital streaming/on demand but that's a whole other story, for some other occasion.

Regarding that cassette deck, it looks nice. Dolby S, soft touch control with full-logic mechanism, pretty decent unit from what I can tell. The only potential issue that I could think of would be the actual condition ... has it been recently serviced? Belts need to be replaced every once in a while, pinch roller carefully cleaned (or even replaced), etc, etc. I once bought a dual Kenwood deck at the local flea market for next to nothing, but unfortunately it turned out to be a "lemon". All of the 4 belts were shot, rollers extremely dirty & worn out, I've had my hands full getting it back in shape. Eventually I did (also worth pointing out is that I've done all the work myself) but it cost me a LOT more than it's worth.

However, I also scored audiophile-grade Pioneer CT91a, reference-design deck from that "TDK" photo posted earlier, and I managed to get it for free. Therefore I only had to pay for parts, rubber belts & idler tire which (compared to the actual value of 91a) cost me nothing. So ... it's always a gamble with these things, but sometimes it pays off :)

CT91 is a nice deck. imo best ever made was the Nakamichi dragon
 
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Also didn't know that the newer Sabertooths lacked the option to unlock cores. Probably they were more FX optimized so they didn't think that it's an neccessary option?
Exactly correct.
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I gave my dual-deck cassette player (JVC I think), along with a receiver & amp, to Goodwill years ago. I still have some cassettes & a cassette player in the car though. lol

I used to record my albums to cassette to save the vinyl from getting scratched, so I have some albums that may have only been played once or twice. Like everyone else, when I listen to music now I usually just stream it.

I had to go look, my Sabertooth 990 is a R2.0.
 
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CT91 is a nice deck. imo best ever made was the Nakamichi dragon
Best ever made, indeed ... and probably /the/ most expensive deck available ;) At some point, you have to stop yourself & wonder if it's worth all the extra money? Because I'll be blunt - the sound coming from my CT91a is only marginally better than consumer-grade Kenwood with auto-reverse or Aiwa AD-F550. Fair enough, most of my cassettes are worn out, some of them are even chewed up & survived though decades of use & abuse so I'm guessing that having a dual capstan in this situation helps a lot, because it keeps the tape under tension & therefore allows better contact with the head.

There is actually a similar (if not identical) story with the turntables... Some people swear by Technics SL-1200/1210. Alas, I couldn't stretch my budget to buy one in mint condition so I bought Audio Technica AT-LP140XP, instead. It may not be as solid as SL-1200 but it's all pretty much there. Quartz-locked direct drive, S-shaped tonearm with VTA (aka height) adjustment, heavy & dampened aluminum platter etc. Oddly enough, some people who actually have the access to both units tested out SL-1200 against LP-140XP and found out that (with upgraded cartridge, of course), 140 can easily perform the same as SL1200 at 1/2 ... or even 1/3 of its price. Depending on whenever you're buying used SL-1200 or a brand new one, Mk.7.

I gave my dual-deck cassette player (JVC I think), along with a receiver & amp, to Goodwill years ago. I still have some cassettes & a cassette player in the car though. lol
That's a shame, you really should have kept it... It's all coming back now, apparently tapes & LPs are becoming more popular than CDs.

I used to record my albums to cassette to save the vinyl from getting scratched, so I have some albums that may have only been played once or twice. Like everyone else, when I listen to music now I usually just stream it.
Haven't we all? :D

Regarding streaming, count me out. One "thing" with streaming is that you never own a copy of album, or a song. It's not like you can play it anywhere you like, at any moment. Where on the other hand, having a physical copy allows you to keep your investment & enjoy music EVEN when there is no internet ... or streaming license, for that matter.
 
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