I have a question about: CyberPower 1500VA / 900Watts True Sine Wave Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS)

[Space Lynx]

I am thinking of buying this, as it is currently on sale for $149, my area is not prone to power outages, but I figure... better safe than sorry. I was wondering would this work if I had a Playstation 5, 55" OLED tv, 6700 XT computer, all plugged in to it and running at the same time, both the console and pc playing a game? lets say power went out would all my stuff still stay on for at least 30 minutes giving me time to turn it off properly and unplug it from wall until power comes back on?

I still don't fully understand how UPS stuff works... I just want to protect my gear from shocks to the system, power outages, etc. Will this do the job or not?

 

[sam_86314]

I am thinking of buying this, as it is currently on sale for $149, my area is not prone to power outages, but I figure... better safe than sorry. I was wondering would this work if I had a Playstation 5, 55" OLED tv, 6700 XT computer, all plugged in to it and running at the same time, both the console and pc playing a game? lets say power went out would all my stuff still stay on for at least 30 minutes giving me time to turn it off properly and unplug it from wall until power comes back on?

I still don't fully understand how UPS stuff works... I just want to protect my gear from shocks to the system, power outages, etc. Will this do the job or not?

I have two 1300VA CyberPower UPSes; one for my main system and one for my server and networking stuff.

The one for my server is set so that it'll shut my server down after running on battery for 5 seconds. During my most recent power outage, it worked as I expected. My server powered off correctly, and after a few more seconds, the UPS also switched off.

I recently did a deep self-test on the one my server is connected to, which runs the battery all the way down. It took about an hour for the battery to drain, and my server uses about 100W continuously.

Mine has two 12V 7Ah batteries in series, so that'll be a theoretical capacity of 168Wh (if my math is correct). That 1500VA unit will likely have either 7Ah or 9Ah cells. If you can figure out how much power your stuff draws, you'd be able to estimate the runtime.

We also have a smaller 450VA UPS from CyberPower for our main networking stuff, and I think it ran everything for about an hour, though I don't remember exactly. We have our modem and router connected to it.

 

[chrcoluk]

Wow thats pretty cheap, in the UK all UPS have doubled in price I think in USD conversion its currently approx $500. I could import it and pay import taxes and still pay only half.

To answer your question it would work, yes.
Would it run for 30 minutes with two devices playing a game, very likely no.

To give you an idea, with the CP1500EPFCLCD, on 15% load, I have predicted 50 minutes from the unit. 15% load is only around 130W, however if I cut the power now it would likely immediately halve to about 20 mins, and it will go down by a minute every 20-30 seconds, in other words the advertised run time is fantasy.

You would probably have 5-10 minutes as a guestimate, so basically enough time but act quickly, set PS5 to standby mode saving game state. (sadly I think its standby is akin to sleep rather than hibernation, so if you cant do this quick then shut it down instead.). As soon as you send the shutdown/standby command get the TV turned off. Also then shutdown game on PC and either hibernate it or shut it down. You have enough time, but not at a leisurely pace. Consumer UPS is about safely shutting down rather than been able to carry on, unless its a extremely short outage llke just a few minutes.

I have my UPS connected to PFSENSE, I have winnut running on PC, when battery hits 65% it auto hibernates.

Also the drain gets worse the lower the battery % which might catch people out as well.

The UPS for me lasted just over 4 hours powering my PFSENSE unit which uses 12W from 100% battery. However from 50% point it only managed 48 minutes. The efficiency also seems to go down the higher the load in my experience.

I had a power cut when playing FF7 remake and the runtime prediction was under 10 minutes right after I shut down the game. Suffice to say I hibernated like lightning.

With this poor performance its still been a boon though, I have had several power cuts even in middle of city, localised power cuts due to water leak, power loss due to electric maintenance, electric safety guy I let cut power for few minutes with PC on knowing it was safe as well. But because of UK prices my NAS has a dirt cheap UPS at the moment nothing like my main UPS.

 

[sam_86314]

Also the drain gets worse the lower the battery % which might catch people out as well.

The UPS for me lasted just over 4 hours powering my PFSENSE unit which uses 12W from 100% battery. However from 50% point it only managed 48 minutes. The efficiency also seems to go down the higher the load in my experience.

From what I understand, the effective capacity of lead-acid batteries actually increases slightly if you drain them more slowly.

Characteristics of Lead Acid Batteries | PVEducation

www.pveducation.org

 

[chrcoluk]

From what I understand, the effective capacity of lead-acid batteries actually increases slightly if you drain them more slowly.

Characteristics of Lead Acid Batteries | PVEducation

www.pveducation.org

Yep probably.

I wish I kept the APC spare my cyberpower replaced, just getting it a new battery it needed instead of throwing away, as it was also 900w capacity and far better for my NAS than what it has now. For some reason in the UK the UPS prices have skyrocketed after covid.

 

[tabascosauz]

I am thinking of buying this, as it is currently on sale for $149, my area is not prone to power outages, but I figure... better safe than sorry. I was wondering would this work if I had a Playstation 5, 55" OLED tv, 6700 XT computer, all plugged in to it and running at the same time, both the console and pc playing a game? lets say power went out would all my stuff still stay on for at least 30 minutes giving me time to turn it off properly and unplug it from wall until power comes back on?

I still don't fully understand how UPS stuff works... I just want to protect my gear from shocks to the system, power outages, etc. Will this do the job or not?

I've had my BR1500MS for about 2.5 years (same rating as CPC1500PFCLCD) and I have to agree with the above, it's not really a linear relationship between load and runtime. I'm at just under an hour of runtime at idle 117W. Used to get a bit more juice out of it when it was new, when I had my 3700X (less power draw from 1CCD), and only one monitor (GPU power consumption is minimum 45W on multi monitor).

900W may look like a lot, but as soon as the power goes out, every second that the 6700XT or PS5 is running at full load in a game is A LOT of runtime evaporating every second. With only the PC and TV plugged in, expect only minutes' worth of runtime if you don't shut off the game immediately. Don't go easy on yourself and say 30 minutes. Give yourself 1 minute to shut it down.

Then every bit of juice you save is better spent on charging something essential like your phone, at much lower wattage, waiting for power to return.

If your TV is your monitor then sure, but I don't see any reason why the game console needs to be plugged into batt as well - you have mission critical data on that PS5? Even better than speculating about the runtime with both PS5 and PC at full load, would just be to ensure both of them never run at full load at any one time, or to put the PS5 on the surge-only side.

 

[R-T-B]

I am thinking of buying this, as it is currently on sale for $149, my area is not prone to power outages, but I figure... better safe than sorry. I was wondering would this work if I had a Playstation 5, 55" OLED tv, 6700 XT computer, all plugged in to it and running at the same time, both the console and pc playing a game? lets say power went out would all my stuff still stay on for at least 30 minutes giving me time to turn it off properly and unplug it from wall until power comes back on?

I still don't fully understand how UPS stuff works... I just want to protect my gear from shocks to the system, power outages, etc. Will this do the job or not?

I would not expect a full 30 minutes running a game full bore, but you might get close. My Tripp Lite 1500VA does about 20 minutes with my 55" OLED and my system in specs (no PS5).

 

[Space Lynx]

For my purposes, of just using a UPS as a pure backup so I can shut things down after 1-2 minutes following a power outage, does it matter if I go Simulated Sine Wave or True Sine Wave?

Simulated Sine Wave 810w version of Cyberpower is $99.99 and the True Sine Wave I mentioned in article title is $149.99

thoughts?

 

[Cutechri]

I have one of these. I don't need it, but I am very picky about my power delivery, I want it to be clean. It's also a nice safeguard in case power goes out during a BIOS update. I have my tower, two monitors, and printer on it.

I recommend the Pure Sine Wave version, which power supplies are most accustomed to as it's identical to wall power. Simulated Sine Wave is more rough, and even though PSUs can take it, it's not recommended.

 

[AsRock]

I have one of these. I don't need it, but I am very picky about my power delivery, I want it to be clean. It's also a nice safeguard in case power goes out during a BIOS update. I have my tower, two monitors, and printer on it.

I recommend the Pure Sine Wave version, which power supplies are most accustomed to as it's identical to wall power. Simulated Sine Wave is more rough, and even though PSUs can take it, it's not recommended.

I believe you should not have a printer on a ups or at least a laser one.

You need to find out the total power usage but you should not drain the battery(s) anyways and i am sure you can shut every thing down a lot faster than 30 minutes haha.

 

[Cutechri]

I believe you should not have a printer on a ups or at least a laser one.

You need to find out the total power usage but you should not drain the battery(s) anyways and i am sure you can shut every thing down a lot faster than 30 minutes haha.

I've already had this conversation when I asked about UPSes here. My printer is some ordinary inkjet one and I barely use it. It's fine.

 

[TheUn4seen]

I have a CP1500EPFCLCD - 1500VA/900W, so probably the same family as the one you mention. CyberPower UPS units are not the best around, but they get the job done. This one is rated for 3 minutes of runtime at full load, 10 minutes at half load - in your case certainly good enough to save your game and turn off the console. It will also protect your equipment from surges which is, in many cases, more important.
Don't use the "simulated sine", "approximated sine" or "modified sine" rubbish, it does not play well with active PFC so almost all modern ATX power supplies will work unreliably or not at all, as will many other modern devices. It's not worth the money you save.

 

[Space Lynx]

I have a CP1500EPFCLCD - 1500VA/900W, so probably the same family as the one you mention. CyberPower UPS units are not the best around, but they get the job done. This one is rated for 3 minutes of runtime at full load, 10 minutes at half load - in your case certainly good enough to save your game and turn off the console. It will also protect your equipment from surges which is, in many cases, more important.
Don't use the "simulated sine", "approximated sine" or "modified sine" rubbish, it does not play well with active PFC so almost all modern ATX power supplies will work unreliably or not at all, as will many other modern devices. It's not worth the money you save.

What brand would you recommend over Cyberpower? Just curious, APC is the only other one I know of.

 

[Cutechri]

What brand would you recommend over Cyberpower? Just curious, APC is the only other one I know of.

APC, CyberPower, TrippLite or go home.

 

[Shrek]

does it matter if I go Simulated Sine Wave or True Sine Wave?

Simulated Sine Wave 810w version of Cyberpower is $99.99 and the True Sine Wave I mentioned in article title is $149.99

thoughts?

Automatic Power Factor Correction (APFC) might not like simulated Sine Wave

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
True sine wave is best and why they cost more
Cyberpower is better brand
APC batteries don't last very long just hair past warranty doa I've had some that died early so think about rma costs "shipping weight" I got mine from local micro center with additional 3 year warranty.

 

[Space Lynx]

thanks everyone, I am going to buy the one in topic title for $149 since it is true sine wave.

 

[TheUn4seen]

What brand would you recommend over Cyberpower? Just curious, APC is the only other one I know of.

APC for the expensive stuff, their quality and support is second to none, but the cost of maintenance (batteries) is fairly high. Eaton for the more critical/costly home equipment, CyberPower for general usage. Cheaper/chinesium is not worth the risk.

 

[chrcoluk]

For my purposes, of just using a UPS as a pure backup so I can shut things down after 1-2 minutes following a power outage, does it matter if I go Simulated Sine Wave or True Sine Wave?

Simulated Sine Wave 810w version of Cyberpower is $99.99 and the True Sine Wave I mentioned in article title is $149.99

thoughts?

There is different grades of simulated sine wave, a $30 ups will be low grade but a circa 900w simulated wave marketed for PC use will probably be fine, my older APC simulated had no issues on pc and monitor.

Thanks for the prices by the way, ive emailed two UK retailers asking why they charging triple the MSRP.

 

[Space Lynx]

There is different grades of simulated sine wave, a $30 ups will be low grade but a 900w simulated wave will probably be fine, my older APC simulated had no issues on pc and monitor.

its all good, $149 isn't much money these days, might as well just get the True Sine

 

[ThrashZone]

thanks everyone, I am going to buy the one in topic title for $149 since it is true sine wave.

Hi,
Hell buy two it's a great price

 

[newtekie1]

Automatic Power Factor Correction (APFC) might not like simulated Sine Wave

This no name guy seems to disagree with you.

Are UPS with simulated sine wave compatible with Corsair CV650

Are UPS that use simulated sine wave compatible with Corsair CV650 650W 80 Plus Bronze PSU? Thanks in advance! Manuel

forum.corsair.com

 

[sam_86314]

I think both UPSes that I have are simulated sine. Haven't had any issues relating to that. Though that probably only applies when running on battery which is very rare in my case.

For power supplies, my server has an EVGA 500B, and my main system has a Corsair RM850X.

Regarding battery replacements, I just go to a local battery shop that sells 12V SLA batteries from Duracell in various capacities. Price is about the same as OEM replacements ($30-$40), but it's much more convenient.

While you can get 12V 7Ah SLA batteries on Amazon for like $20, I've heard they're kind of crap.

 

[Space Lynx]

I think both UPSes that I have are simulated sine. Haven't had any issues relating to that. Though that probably only applies when running on battery which is very rare in my case.

For power supplies, my server has an EVGA 500B, and my main system has a Corsair RM850X.

Regarding battery replacements, I just go to a local battery shop that sells 12V SLA batteries from Duracell in various capacities. Price is about the same as OEM replacements ($30-$40), but it's much more convenient.

While you can get 12V 7Ah SLA batteries on Amazon for like $20, I've heard they're kind of crap.

is this the same battery that my cyberpower true sine wave will have? it would be nice to know what batteries i will need to replace it with in a couple years

 

[Shrek]

... but the cost of maintenance (batteries) is fairly high.

I have a set of old sine-wave APC units, but I stopped using them as the batteries cost and there are very few power cuts where I live now; I now have a house full of Tripp-Lite surge protectors that seem to last.

I got the UPS units (free) when I lived in a place with a lot of power cuts, but even then, the cost of new batteries was high. I am thinking of trying a UPS unit on a lithium battery for fun (11 year warrantee).