TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[DR4G00N]

GFD PCB's showed up finally. Took a bit of time to solder all of the parts by hand and I think it came out pretty nice looking. I can see why people opt for solder paste instead.

Best of all it actually works.
So far I've bumped my Athlon 700 to 750MHz just to try it out, seems stable. It's a shame my motherboard is unable to finely adjust the FSB so that limits the possibilities a bit.

 

[bobbybluz]

Here's another long retired fully functional mobo/CPU combo. The board was a Craigslist find and the SATA port was missing when I got it. Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-UD4H/Phenom II 965. I had this in a rig I built for a former girlfriend. The heatsink mount is missing because I had a Corsair H50 cooling it. This setup was replaced with an Asus P8P67 Deluxe/2600K shortly before we parted ways forever. I later found out her idiot crackhead grandson destroyed the entire PC while attempting to "improve" it. That 2600K was my first legit 5.2GHz CPU.

 

[Greenslade]

Ok
So 9600xt vs 9600se stock clocks
It is like ti4200 vs mx440 on scores.

View attachment 250310View attachment 250311
Asus 9600xt not the fastest 9600 because 9600TX (renamed 9800se) was the fastest.
Gpu 500mhz that is high, ram 600mhz but it has 2.2ns 900mhz ram so high overclock is possible. I tried oc years ago it but the ram got lower voltage than the stock 900mhz spec so its only stable at ~700mhz. I even modded the vbios rom timings but not worked. If i have time i will try some vmod for the vram because an vaerave oc for a 2.2ns ram is above 1000mhz!
It is rv360, an optimalized version of rv350.
For dx7 games a ti4200 is still faster than this 9600xt.
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And the worst 9600 was the SE.
325 mhz gpu clock ram is only 400mhz ddr1. But the worst part is the 64bit bandwidth.
It kills the performance, better buy a 9550 with slower gpu clocks but 128bit ram bandwidth than this shit edition.
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I have also a total dead 9600 pro and a 9700 bad vram card.

It is all confusing for me with renaming their cards.
So a 9550 do they have different versions of that like the 9600?
What about other AGPs,s like the fx5500? The PC I am getting on eBay is the fx5200 which is the pits according to youtube videos and people on the forums. what about 4 mx440? for windows 98?
Are there any other cards in that price range?
Phils using 9550 on this system

How much better will the 9550 be compared to the FX5200 and is it as bad as people say? so the 9600se is on par with MX 440? the MX 440 is £10 on eBay
I see that is 64MB. The Radeon 9550 cheapest on eBay is £18. The FX 5500
AGP £20. This one is £24 I don,t want to pay more than £25.

 

[pavle]

It is all confusing for me with renaming their cards.

You won't be confused if you just first look at how many functional units a card has and then the frequency and mem. bandwidth.
Radeon 9550 is the same GPU as Radeon 9600 (XT), with 2 vertex shaders and 4 pixel shaders and 4 TMU's, just lower frequencies (should use 128-bit RAM but could differ).
The only nvidia card comparable would be the GeForce FX 5600 or rather 5700 (non-ultra) with 2 or 3 vertex shaders and 4 pixel shaders and 4 TMU's.
I had a GeForce FX 5700 in a Pentium 3 933MHz system and I could play DOOM3 with 2xAA 4xAF, but Half Life 2 would still be a bit choppy because of nvidia's dodgy DX9 implementation (they dodged the good things).
An even better suited nvidia card would a GeForce 6600 AGP or 6100 (with possible unlock?), at least these do DX9 properly.

 

[68Olds]

It is all confusing for me with renaming their cards.
So a 9550 do they have different versions of that like the 9600?
What about other AGPs,s like the fx5500? The PC I am getting on eBay is the fx5200 which is the pits according to youtube videos and people on the forums. what about 4 mx440? for windows 98?
Are there any other cards in that price range?
Phils using 9550 on this system

How much better will the 9550 be compared to the FX5200 and is it as bad as people say? so the 9600se is on par with MX 440? the MX 440 is £10 on eBay
I see that is 64MB. The Radeon 9550 cheapest on eBay is £18. The FX 5500
AGP £20. This one is £24 I don,t want to pay more than £25.View attachment 250333

IMO some of the naming was confusing on purpose. You have to look at the specs for the different versions of the same card (Geforce FX 5200 for example) & figure out which ones are crippled.
Here's a link to the Geforce FX 5000 series. Look at all the 5200's.

TechPowerUp

Graphics card and GPU database with specifications for products launched in recent years. Includes clocks, photos, and technical details.

www.techpowerup.com

Here's the ATI 9500 & up cards.

TechPowerUp

Graphics card and GPU database with specifications for products launched in recent years. Includes clocks, photos, and technical details.

www.techpowerup.com

On the 9550 & 9600 cards look at the RAM amount (64mb or 128mb) and the RAM bandwidth (64bit or 128bit). The 128/128 versions are the better ones.

Edit: Pavle, that's the Geforce 6200 that could unlock.

 

[Greenslade]

Ok
So 9600xt vs 9600se stock clocks
It is like ti4200 vs mx440 on scores.

View attachment 250310View attachment 250311
Asus 9600xt not the fastest 9600 because 9600TX (renamed 9800se) was the fastest.
Gpu 500mhz that is high, ram 600mhz but it has 2.2ns 900mhz ram so high overclock is possible. I tried oc years ago it but the ram got lower voltage than the stock 900mhz spec so its only stable at ~700mhz. I even modded the vbios rom timings but not worked. If i have time i will try some vmod for the vram because an vaerave oc for a 2.2ns ram is above 1000mhz!
It is rv360, an optimalized version of rv350.
For dx7 games a““Tested and working in good, used condition.“Tested and working in good, used condition.Tested and working in good, used condition. is still faster than this 9600xt.
View attachment 250312

And the worst 9600 was the SE.
325 mhz gpu clock ram is only 400mhz ddr1. But the worst part is the 64bit bandwidth.
It kills the performance, better buy a 9550 with slower gpu clocks but 128bit ram bandwidth than this shit edition.
View attachment 250313View attachment 250314
I have also a total dead 9600 pro and a 9700 bad vram card.

It is all confusing for me with renaming their cards.
So a 9550 do they have different versions of that like the 9600?
What about other AGPs,s like the fx5500? The PC I am getting on eBay is the fx5200 which is the pits according to youtube videos and people on the forums. what about 4 mx440? for windows 98?
Are there any other cards in that price range?
Phils using 9550 on this system

How much better will the 9550 be compared to the FX5200 and is it as bad as people say? so the 9600se is on par with MX 440? the MX 440 is £10 on eBay
I see that is 64MB. The Radeon 9550 cheapest on eBay is £18. The FX 5500
AGP £20. This one is £24 I don,t want to pay more than £25.View attachment 250333

Ok
So 9600xt vs 9600se stock clocks
It is like ti4200 vs mx440 on scores.

View attachment 250310View attachment 250311
Asus 9600xt not the fastest 9600 because 9600TX (renamed 9800se) was the fastest.
Gpu 500mhz that is high, ram 600mhz but it has 2.2ns 900mhz ram so high overclock is possible. I tried oc years ago it but the ram got lower voltage than the stock 900mhz spec so its only stable at ~700mhz. I even modded the vbios rom timings but not worked. If i have time i will try some vmod for the vram because an vaerave oc for a 2.2ns ram is above 1000mhz!
It is rv360, an optimalized version of rv350.
For dx7 games a ti4200 is still faster than this 9600xt.
View attachment 250312

And the worst 9600 was the SE.
325 mhz gpu clock ram is only 400mhz ddr1. But the worst part is the 64bit bandwidth.
It kills the performance, better buy a 9550 with slower gpu clocks but 128bit ram bandwidth than this shit edition.
View attachment 250313View attachment 250314
I have also a total dead 9600 pro and a 9700 bad vram card.

Thanks for explaining all that to me ATI Radeon 9550 DDR 256MB with DVI Graphics Card - FAST and FREE SHIPPING“The card is in excellent condition.”
£18,

Sapphire 11029-14 Radeon 9600XT 128MB DDR AGP Graphics Card £28 make an offer.*Tested and working*

​

You won't be confused if you just first look at how many functional units a card has and then the frequency and mem. bandwidth.
Radeon 9550 is the same GPU as Radeon 9600 (XT), with 2 vertex shaders and 4 pixel shaders and 4 TMU's, just lower frequencies (should use 128-bit RAM but could differ).
The only nvidia card comparable would be the GeForce FX 5600 or rather 5700 (non-ultra) with 2 or 3 vertex shaders and 4 pixel shaders and 4 TMU's.
I had a GeForce FX 5700 in a Pentium 3 933MHz system and I could play DOOM3 with 2xAA 4xAF, but Half Life 2 would still be a bit choppy because of nvidia's dodgy DX9 implementation (they dodged the good things).
An even better suited nvidia card would a GeForce 6600 AGP or 6100 (with possible unlock?), at least these do DX9 properly.

Thanks for your info .

 

[68Olds]

I like that Sapphire 9600 XT. Here's a pic of mine.

 

[pavle]

Edit: Pavle, that's the Geforce 6200 that could unlock.

Thank you, I knew I was missing that one, just couldn't remember it and didn't check on the net either...

Thanks for your info .

You're welcome; I still have some of those generation cards, the R 9700, 9800 and GFFX 5800 (one working and one broken for room display/fan still works and hooking it up to a wall adapter it makes some noise).

 

[Greenslade]

I like that Sapphire 9600 XT. Here's a pic of mine.

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Would be the maximum i would go for price wise that is the XT. .
So it has to be one of the two.Is the fan noisy?This is why i ask as Phil had problems with the fan.

His lucky he gets sent a lot of stuff, for nothing ,wish i did. What motherboard and CPU are you using with it? 98se or XP ? not Lex,s favourite *ME *i take it.

 

[68Olds]

The fan on mine still sounds fine because it spends most of its time in the box. I will build an old PC, run some benchmarks & run through an old game or two, then put everything back in boxes. I'm lucky to have a little room in the basement for all my old PC stuff.

There is a 9550 version that is 128MB/128bit. I'm not aware of a 256MB version. If you get close to pulling the trigger ask for more pictures, including any stickers that may be on the card.
Here's the back of mine - with sticker.

 

[Greenslade]

The fan on mine still sounds fine because it spends most of its time in the box. I will build an old PC, run some benchmarks & run through an old game or two, then put everything back in boxes. I'm lucky to have a little room in the basement for all my old PC stuff.

There is a 9550 version that is 128MB/128bit. I'm not aware of a 256MB version. If you get close to pulling the trigger ask for more pictures, including any stickers that may be on the card.
Here's the back of mine - with sticker.

View attachment 250382

I looked in the link you gave me there is no 256 Mb for the 9550.

 

[68Olds]

I think a lot of people selling old PC hardware on the internet don't really know what they are selling. Some sellers are trying to deceive buyers, but I think most just don't know the full details of what they are trying to sell. That's why you need to ask for more pictures, do a little research, and make your own decision. Yes, I don't think there is a 256MB version of the 9550, so you have to figure out which one (64MB or 128MB) he's actually selling.

 

[Greenslade]

I think a lot of people selling old PC hardware on the internet don't really know what they are selling. Some sellers are trying to deceive buyers, but I think most just don't know the full details of what they are trying to sell. That's why you need to ask for more pictures, do a little research, and make your own decision. Yes, I don't think there is a 256MB version of the 9550, so you have to figure out which one (64MB or 128MB) he's actually selling.

You are right there. I have heard of people buying stuff from eBay and getting a better modal of something than the seller put on there. I do the research. I might as well go for the best I can get the 9660 XT 128 Mb. I have just removed my first motherboard from the Dell one I put on here with the bent pins on the CPU unit. I was surprised there were so few connections to disconnect off the board. Four connections plus fan and the PSU connections. I will try to straighten the pins I don,t suppose I will be able to do It. It is a lot easier to work on a PC that is out if it is out of the case.
I will have to get a cheap blower gun, so much dust There were lots of screws on the motherboard. I think that is too far gone the pins that is. I will put it back in and see if the one channel that worked before still works.
then I will be confident to build my own in the future. I take it the light side is for one channel and the dark side the one with bent pins is the other channel that is not working.

I think a lot of people selling old PC hardware on the internet don't really know what they are selling. Some sellers are trying to deceive buyers, but I think most just don't know the full details of what they are trying to sell. That's why you need to ask for more pictures, do a little research, and make your own decision. Yes, I don't think there is a 256MB version of the 9550, so you have to figure out which one (64MB or 128MB) he's actually selling.

The seller has offered me 9660 xt

Sapphire 11029-14 Radeon 9600XT 128MB DDR AGP Graphics Card“Tested and working in good, used condition.” I have bought it.​

Brand: Sapphire£25,16. that is a weird price the 16p that is it was £27.95.I think i will take a chance on it.Keeping fingers crossed that the PC from eBay will work.I think i will go for it.Saving £2,79 that is better than the £4 i got off the £60 PC .
MPN: 11029-14
Chipset/GPU Model: ATI
Memory Size: 128 MB
Compatible Slot: AGP

 

[masterdeejay]

My testing platforms for old hardware just a few:

Top end Pentium3 universal Agp windows98/2k
Abit ST6 i815, P3 1.4S



Top end socket478 Agp-Pro cards win98/2k/xp
Abit IC7 3Ghz P4 prescott HT



Low freq P2 downclockable to 133mhz Pci Dos win98 voodoo1 etc...
Chaintech 6ltm 440Lx P2 266 and this killer heatsink.
This was my high school rig in year 2000.


P2 s370/slot1 OC platform low to high end pentium2
Compaq brand 440Bx motherboard that support overclocking.
Celeron 300A / Pentium2 450



Non intel/amd platform
Chinese goverment Pc Zhaoxin X86 soc. I have win10 cmit edition windows but it works with average win7/10/11
Not old but the technology is from the old via cpu/gpu


SocketA
Abit NF7 + 2500@3200+ (2.2Ghz)
I want to find a better cpu for this. I did have a 2600+ MP server cpu but i sold it. That was an overclocking king (2.9Ghz!)

I have a few boxes of old hardware but not much time for playing.
I also have a few c64 with original commodore crt monitor a few joysticks etc. Wizzard of wor one of my all time favorite.


Eary breadbin black key old Sid c64 and quicshot turbo joy. I have two custom 2Mb cartridge with a lot of games.

 

[Mr.Scott]

SocketA
Abit NF7 + 2500@3200+ (2.2Ghz)
I want to find a better cpu for this. I did have a 2600+ MP server cpu but i sold it. That was an overclocking king (2.9Ghz!)

You have a few nice pieces there.
Any screenshots of that 2.9 chip? That's a rare OC on ambient cooling.

 

[Greenslade]

My testing platforms for old hardware just a few:
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Top end Pentium3 universal Agp windows98/2k
Abit ST6 i815, P3 1.4S


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Top end socket478 Agp-Pro cards win98/2k/xp
Abit IC7 3Ghz P4 prescott HT


View attachment 250425
Low freq P2 downclockable to 133mhz Pci Dos win98 voodoo1 etc...
Chaintech 6ltm 440Lx P2 266 and this killer heatsink.
This was my high school rig in year 2000.

View attachment 250426
P2 s370/slot1 OC platform low to high end pentium2
Compaq brand 440Bx motherboard that support overclocking.
Celeron 300A / Pentium2 450


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Non intel/amd platform
Chinese goverment Pc Zhaoxin X86 soc. I have win10 cmit edition windows but it works with average win7/10/11
Not old but the technology is from the old via cpu/gpu

View attachment 250430
SocketA
Abit NF7 + 2500@3200+ (2.2Ghz)
I want to find a better cpu for this. I did have a 2600+ MP server cpu but i sold it. That was an overclocking king (2.9Ghz!)

I have a few boxes of old hardware but not much time for playing.
I also have a few c64 with original commodore crt monitor a few joysticks etc. Wizzard of wor one of my all time favorite.

View attachment 250431
Eary breadbin black key old Sid c64 and quicshot turbo joy. I have two custom 2Mb cartridge with a lot of games.

Lot of nice retro stuff there. I was thinking of getting one of the new c64 .I proberly want though.

 

[masterdeejay]

You have a few nice pieces there.
Any screenshots of that 2.9 chip? That's a rare OC on ambient cooling.

That was in 2004 and not stable. Zalman 7000 cu cooling. I modified the motherboard (NF7-S) moved a capacitor.
I dont have any screenshot. I used the cpu at 2,6ghz with Abit ti4200-8x Otes. I needed all the high fps in cod1/uo clanbase multiplayer.

 

[Ruru]

7970 Matrix will retire as it's bigger brother (290X Matrix Platinum) arrived

Tested that it works, I'll clean it soon. I got also a rare(?) Asus GTX 660 3GB (GK104) as a bundle, cleaning it currently (as you can see, it's hella dusty).

edit: Cleaned both cards, also took that ugly support off from that 660. Pretty terrible cooler for a GK104 card though. Also my heart skipped a beat when tearing the 290X down, a small SMD cap tore off from the VRM. I put it back in its place, put the VRM heatsink back and I hope it works. At least it ran Time Spy flawlessly, I'll put the 3dmark stress test running to make sure it's stable. Scored 4194 with stock (1050/1350) clocks, I'll OC it more later if it's stable.

 

[masterdeejay]

IBM T60


And a trash found P1 233 Top motherboard, integrated matrox and sound but no agp.


I love matrox cards for 2D best image quality

But for GTA1 3Dfx Voodoo1 card is the best.



Blood1 with 3Dfx



And i use old joyticks and mechanical keyboard for the new games like star citizen dual joy control is the best.

 

[Ruru]

I've had 3x T61p (2x normal, one widescreen) in my clothes closet but I don't have a charger for those, so I can't test them. I remember putting some upgrades for those though already.

 

[MaxiPro800]

Upgraded my Athlon XP machine with a heavily rebuilt PSU (it took me almost 3 hours of non-stop desoldering and soldering parts on it.) and a Radeon 9700 Pro from Hercules.

Also dusted off my Duron 1600 SDR build as well.

 

[Ruru]

Upgraded my Athlon XP machine with a heavily rebuilt PSU (it took me almost 3 hours of non-stop desoldering and soldering parts on it.) and a Radeon 9700 Pro from Hercules.
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Also dusted off my Duron 1600 SDR build as well.
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I had its little brother once, Hercules 9500 Pro

 

[Greenslade]

Upgraded my Athlon XP machine with a heavily rebuilt PSU (it took me almost 3 hours of non-stop desoldering and soldering parts on it.) and a Radeon 9700 Pro from Hercules.
View attachment 250496
Also dusted off my Duron 1600 SDR build as well.
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That must have been a job to do that You obviously know your stuff to do that.
After taking the motherboard out of a Dell with bent pins on the CPU unit. I managed to put it back in there, but when I did the CPU fan spins on and off. I did the basic troubleshoot stuff with no success, There are no beeps
or any sounds I am not sure if that was a success or not. At least I got it back in the case. But it did work on one channel before. See the state of the CPU unit, I was expecting the fan to stay on at least. I will take the CPU
I3 550, ram. and the DVD drive, Card Reader. and the fan. I will send the rest for recycling. I know this is no big thing to do, but I have never taken a motherboard out of the case. I wanted to try it on this PC because it does not work properly. Now I know can do it I will build a PC in the near future. It is a shame the PSU is 24 as i want be able to use it on a Retro PC as they are 20 pins.

 

[masterdeejay]

DDR3 SSD.
It gets the voltage from the ddr3 slot but connected with Sata.





And i have a few white pcb s478 motherboard waiting for capacitor fix.


One of my all time favorite game Imperium Galactica II. Real time 3d strategy game.

 

[Audioave10]

I'm cleaning old hardware the best that I can but Phil has a dishwasher!