Samsung 970 EVO Plus temperature sensor?

chrcoluk · Aug 13, 2022

In my case my high temps I considered the poor board design as a factor, the primary m.2 slot sandwiched between the GPU and CPU, two hottest components in system. All because they wanted shorter traces.
The second m.2 in a much more accessible area bottom right of board, I didnt use as only has 2 lanes routed to it. They should have made that one 4 lanes, and the one near CPU 2 lanes. Or even better just no m.2 at all, and supply/sell a m.2/pcie card as SSDs mounted on pcie have much better airflow and away from heat sources.

Trace length isnt a factor in performance as my 970 EVO runs faster in the lowest full length PCIE slot in my case (via adaptor) vs the m.2 right next to CPU.

cvaldes · Aug 13, 2022

puma99dk| said:
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This discussion thread is a good example how posting a manufacturer's marketing photo is far less useful than the OP taking a picture of their actual current build.

We don't know for sure how many 3.5" HDDs the OP has installed in their case. Worse, we don't know if they are evenly spread out through the brackets with lots of space in between (better for airflow, more inconvenient for cabling) or if they are all clumped together (more obstructed localized airflow, easier for cabling).

It would have been helpful if the OP had included in their original post the fact that the other case components weren't showing any excessive heat-related issues and that it was only this particular m.2 SSD with temperature problems.

Again, that points out to a defective unit yet now OP is leaning to making this someone else's problem (the build's future purchaser) rather than resolving the problem.

AsRock · Aug 13, 2022

puma99dk| said:
Correct, but I do not have CPU or GPU issues even my i7-11700K is running stock with one fan on my Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black and my RX 6800 XT Red Devil doesn't really get hot which some cards can do.

Yes I do limit the power to my gpu but it runs the oc clocks that PowerColor set just with less voltage.

This was also why I put up the illustration of the XL filled with drives because it can kill airflow but my Samsung drive even before all the drives was way out of hand.
My 850 EVO doesn't skip a beat and it's only 33c this is the max I seen it at.

I would go M.2. SATA but the drives there for a good one is just priced too high compared even to a Gen3 NVME drive.

Flip the 850 with the other to see if the temps follow ( oops my bad forgot the NVME was the 970 haha ). And if the drive is 60c+ maybe carefully check with your hand. How ever it's going be higher as windows is nearly always trying to do some thing.

You tried Hard disk sentinel ?, that's always been right about the temps for me.

And lets face it it's the drive that's doing the most work out of all the drive OS and games.

EDIT
Just use a heatsink i have a Rocket heatsink and seems to do a good job although you might have to use the bottom slot.

eidairaman1 · Aug 14, 2022

puma99dk| said:
If I look in Samsung Magician the temperture of my 970 EVO Plus 1TB is 34c and normal but CrystalDiskInfo 8.17.5 and lower reports above 60c which program is correct?

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I am planning to go away from Samsung's SSDs because they are too hot compared to other brands that are even fast.

Do a capture while putting a demand on the drive (hwinfo64) and then another run with magician

chrcoluk said:
In my case my high temps I considered the poor board design as a factor, the primary m.2 slot sandwiched between the GPU and CPU, two hottest components in system. All because they wanted shorter traces.
The second m.2 in a much more accessible area bottom right of board, I didnt use as only has 2 lanes routed to it. They should have made that one 4 lanes, and the one near CPU 2 lanes. Or even better just no m.2 at all, and supply/sell a m.2/pcie card as SSDs mounted on pcie have much better airflow and away from heat sources.

Trace length isnt a factor in performance as my 970 EVO runs faster in the lowest full length PCIE slot in my case (via adaptor) vs the m.2 right next to CPU.

Thats the problem with m.2 in all mobos, it's in the way, better off to run nvme out of a pcie slot with a heatsink and fan or use a SATA SSD

AsRock · Aug 14, 2022

eidairaman1 said:
Do a capture while putting a demand on the drive (hwinfo64) and then another run with magician

Thats the problem with m.2 in all mobos, it's in the way, better off to run nvme out of a pcie slot with a heatsink and fan or use a SATA SSD

Maybe one day we will get them flipped to the other side of the board with cases having openings like the CPU does haha. And actually have better cooling for both sides of the motherboard.

eidairaman1 · Aug 14, 2022

AsRock said:
Maybe one day we will get them flipped to the other side of the board with cases having openings like the CPU does haha. And actually have better cooling for both sides of the motherboard.

A Faster SATA port standard would help and keep the mobo and ssd cooler.

Mussels · Aug 14, 2022

Haven't read every update - but have you checked the thermal pad on the drive?

Sounds like its contacting the NAND chips, but not the controller (which needs the cooling more)

eidairaman1 said:
A Faster SATA port standard would help and keep the mobo and ssd cooler.

For this level of speed, you need native PCI-E. That'd mean you'd need a 4x riser cable to every HDD.
It'd be like going back to IDE cables, except more fragile.

And uhh... Intel didn't have even close to the required PCI-E lanes for this for a very very long time.
Even now, we barely have the bandwidth for two x4 drives on each motherboard, any more always comes at a cost of disabling slots, or disabling other features (16x becomes 8x, SATA ports disabled, etc etc)

We miiiiiight see some improvements here, something like a PCI-E 5.0 x8 card could handle 4x 4.0 drives at full speed, if the slot supports bifurcation - but it seems less and less likely. Anything other than NVME->PCI-E directly adds more chips, complications and slowdowns.

Shou Miko · Aug 14, 2022

Mussels said:
Haven't read every update - but have you checked the thermal pad on the drive?

Sounds like its contacting the NAND chips, but not the controller (which needs the cooling more)

I have now had the cooler part and I can actually see the storage chips in the thermalpad like the edge around them so it's getting squished and I read somewhere that Samsung's storage ram on their ssd's sit a tiny bit lover then the controller or was it vice versa I don't remember I read that some years ago.

Right now the SSID is up to 55c in hwinfo :banghead:

I actually purchased 2 of these coolers I was planing to but one on my Sabrent Rocket that I use for gaming but it's just is chill compared to my Samsung even it's twice the size and speed.

So maybe I am just unlucky with my Samsung SSD here.

AsRock said:
Flip the 850 with the other to see if the temps follow ( oops my bad forgot the NVME was the 970 haha ). And if the drive is 60c+ maybe carefully check with your hand. How ever it's going be higher as windows is nearly always trying to do some thing.

You tried Hard disk sentinel ?, that's always been right about the temps for me.

And lets face it it's the drive that's doing the most work out of all the drive OS and games.

EDIT
Just use a heatsink i have a Rocket heatsink and seems to do a good job although you might have to use the bottom slot.

When I touch the heatsink yesterday I was like wow that's hot even compared to my Red Devil's cooler only way I could bring the heat down on it was adding a fan directly to the edge of my case and set it to really fast rpm which was too load for my taste. But even reviews sometimes state at Samsung's drives run hotter then others which ain't a benefit.

I am already using the bottom slot on my Gigabyte Z590 Vision G board even took of the long passive cooler because the ssd could easily reach 65c without any problems.

cvaldes said:
We don't know for sure how many 3.5" HDDs the OP has installed in their case. Worse, we don't know if they are evenly spread out through the brackets with lots of space in between (better for airflow, more inconvenient for cabling) or if they are all clumped together (more obstructed localized airflow, easier for cabling).

You can actually reach my system specs to see how many 3.5inch drives I have in my system I keep it up-2-date.

But here goes the list, 1x10TB, 1x16TB, 1x4TB, 1x1TB and the small Samsung 850 EVO 1TB at the very top.

I am actually using the 10TB as a kind of anti-sag bracket because even my RTX 3070 ROG Strix was so long it rested the edge cooler on it and never been a issue even on my Red Devil :rolleyes:

ThrashZone · Aug 14, 2022

Hi,
Besides the higher than I've seen temperature doing nothing the actual temp spread between temp 1 & 2 isn't bad.
Before I added my little blower style cooler I saw up to 10c difference in temp 1 & 2 but doing nothing was 40c +- which is pretty silly so yeah 970 is a thermal defect it seems.

Ditch the 970 and replace sounds like a good decision :rockout:

P4-630 · Aug 14, 2022

puma99dk| said:
It's hot for my fingers indeed

A 970 evo plus shouldn't run that hot especially when idle.
My 980 Pro sits between the CPU and the GPU with heatsink and it gets up to around 46 degrees when I run a game off it with 25 degrees ambient.
Then my 970 evo sits below the GPU , sitting idle at few degrees cooler.

ThrashZone · Aug 14, 2022

Hi,
Never asked but is the little fan even running on the cooler ?
It should show up on hwinfo64 if connected.

Shou Miko · Aug 14, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Never asked but is the little fan even running on the cooler ?
It should show up on hwinfo64 if connected.

The fan is only 3 pin sadly so I cannot read anything of it but it spins like crazy :roll:

P4-630 said:
A 970 evo plus shouldn't run that hot especially when idle.
My 980 Pro sits between the CPU and the GPU with heatsink and it gets up to around 46 degrees when I run a game off it with 25 degrees ambient.
Then my 970 evo sits below the GPU , sitting idle at few degrees cooler.

Tell that to my drive because honestly I think this was the reason last time I tried to game I had a bad time even my game SSD is always 10c cooler then med 970 EVO Plus.

Mr Bill · Aug 14, 2022

Shou Miko · Aug 14, 2022

@Mr Bill you come with half the size of the ssd and 87c will never be good.

Anyone got a good alternative for ssd that be used as a windows drive gen3 will be enough doesn't have to be gen4 but it has to be 1TB and avaliable on Amazon.de so I can properly find it in my country too.

Sabrent M.2. Gen3 1TB is 115eur and Gen4 1TB is 135eur so don't say does because I already know would like to get omkring about 90-95euro.

Mr Bill · Aug 14, 2022

puma99dk| said:
@Mr Bill you come with half the size of the ssd and 87c will never be good.

Could you please explain I guess @70 sometimes I get confused, is my temp 87c? My drive is a 970 EVO Plus NVME, is this not correct?
Thanks!

P4-630 · Aug 14, 2022

I recommend a Seagate FireCuda 530 NVMe SSD 1 TB as OS drive, endurance up to 5100 TBW.

Seagate FireCuda 530 M.2 NVMe SSD Review: Performance Above All (Updated)

Built to deliver high performance, endurance, and give users peace of mind.

www.tomshardware.com

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Seagate-FireCuda-TLC-NAND-Rescue-Service/dp/B0971FN5MV/ref=sr_1_3

https://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/firecuda-530-ssd-DS2059-1-2106US-en_US.pdf

Shou Miko · Aug 14, 2022

P4-630 said:
I recommend a Seagate FireCuda 530 NVMe SSD 1 TB as OS drive, endurance up to 5100 TBW.
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Seagate FireCuda 530 M.2 NVMe SSD Review: Performance Above All (Updated)

Built to deliver high performance, endurance, and give users peace of mind.

www.tomshardware.com

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Seagate-FireCuda-TLC-NAND-Rescue-Service/dp/B0971FN5MV/ref=sr_1_3

View attachment 258098

https://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/firecuda-530-ssd-DS2059-1-2106US-en_US.pdf

5100TBW lis only for the 2TB model and the official PDF from Seagate only says 1275TBW for the 530 and 1800TBW for the 520.

Firecuda 520: https://www.seagate.com/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/firecuda-520-ssd-DS2024-1-1909US-en_US.pdf
Firecuda 530: https://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/firecuda-530-ssd-DS2059-1-2106US-en_US.pdf

P4-630 · Aug 14, 2022

puma99dk| said:
5300TBW looks too high to be true because the official PDF from Seagate only says 1275TBW for the 530 and 1800TBW for the 520

Firecuda 520: https://www.seagate.com/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/firecuda-520-ssd-DS2024-1-1909US-en_US.pdf
Firecuda 530: https://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/firecuda-530-ssd-DS2059-1-2106US-en_US.pdf

Also there was this thread: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/seagate-firecuda-530.296984/

Maybe it's all to good to be true. :ohwell:

Shou Miko · Aug 14, 2022

P4-630 said:
Also there was this thread: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/seagate-firecuda-530.296984/

Maybe it's all to good to be true.

Maybe and the 520 is actually a bit cheaper like 17eur no much but that TBW is higher and speeds are lower but who needs the 7000+ numbers? I don't.

Hmm it looks like the Seagate Firecuda 520 and the Sabrent Rocket NVME 4.0 uses the same PCB, controller and properly cache but the memory chips are different.
Saw this on a Gear Seekers video:

P4-630 · Aug 14, 2022

Anyways there are quite some reviews of 1tb nvme drives on TPU, maybe check some out.

INSTG8R · Aug 14, 2022

I have a 500GB as my OS drive under the cooler from my MoBo and one sensor when under load can easily be 10C over the 45C vs 55C. Yeah I find it a bit alarming when my 2TB Corsair Core in the second slot as my game drive with just one sensor rarely gets up to 45C.

Shou Miko · Aug 14, 2022

INSTG8R said:
I have a 500GB as my OS drive under the cooler from my MoBo and one sensor when under load can easily be 10C over the 45C vs 55C. Yeah I find it a bit alarming when my 1TB Corsair Core in the second slot as my game drive with just one sensor rarely gets up to 45C.

I already had this ssd on 2 different drive a Asus Strix B550-A Gaming and my current Gigabyte Z590 Vision G and tested passive they are still same temps no matter if I use the slot underneath the CPU or at the buttom.

This was why I purchased the m.2. cooler and dropped it into the lowest slot of my Gigabyte but this Samsung drive won't do lower temps even moving my Sabrent Rocket 4.0 2TB around it just is chilling no matter it's placement on the motherboard and I best if I add a cooler to this drive it might freeze itself :roll:

chrcoluk · Aug 14, 2022

AsRock said:
Maybe one day we will get them flipped to the other side of the board with cases having openings like the CPU does haha. And actually have better cooling for both sides of the motherboard.

That is actually a really good idea, I like it. It would require I think industry working together with cases been sold for at least a few years before with the openings in place as on current cases you would have to take the board out to maintain.

INSTG8R · Aug 14, 2022

puma99dk| said:
I already had this ssd on 2 different drive a Asus Strix B550-A Gaming and my current Gigabyte Z590 Vision G and tested passive they are still same temps no matter if I use the slot underneath the CPU or at the buttom.

This was why I purchased the m.2. cooler and dropped it into the lowest slot of my Gigabyte but this Samsung drive won't do lower temps even moving my Sabrent Rocket 4.0 2TB around it just is chilling no matter it's placement on the motherboard and I best if I add a cooler to this drive it might freeze itself

Yeah I tried remounting the heatsink, tried without it, pretty much got the same results as you, no change. Basically the controller on this thing just runs really hot…

Mussels · Aug 15, 2022

As for OP's heat issues: Find a way to pad out that thermal pad on the controller. Tear a piece off the end and double up over it, flatten the NAND side down, etc.

P4-630 said:
I recommend a Seagate FireCuda 530 NVMe SSD 1 TB as OS drive, endurance up to 5100 TBW.
View attachment 258099

Seagate FireCuda 530 M.2 NVMe SSD Review: Performance Above All (Updated)

Built to deliver high performance, endurance, and give users peace of mind.

www.tomshardware.com

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Seagate-FireCuda-TLC-NAND-Rescue-Service/dp/B0971FN5MV/ref=sr_1_3

View attachment 258098

https://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/firecuda-530-ssd-DS2059-1-2106US-en_US.pdf

You misread that

The 1TB only has 1275TBW, more or less the same as my samsung 970 pro

The 4TB has the 5100TBW

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