When will gpu prices return to normal.

[cvaldes]

Most gamers don't upgrade often though and I think the GTX 1060 6gb is still most popular GPU in gaming currently.

An older model entry-level card is going to be the top GPU in the Steam surveys because so many people own one (time and cost); the average consumer doesn't change GPUs every year. At some point it will likely be the 2060. And then maybe the 3060 or 3050 in 3-4 years.

In the same way, the most commonly stolen automobiles are ten year old Honda Civics and Toyota Camrys simply because there are so many of them still on the road (they're inexpensive and durable) and the parts are worth more than the whole used car itself. In the same way, most people don't get a new car every three years.

Going back to the original topic though, prices still haven't returned to normal across the board in all markets. There's still tons of price gouging in smaller markets.

Even in the USA, some AIB partners are still listing some products at the original inflated MSRPs. EVGA is still selling the GeForce RTX 3050 XC Black at $329 (this is the "premium" 3050 model with a slight factory overclock and a meta backplate). The cheaper $249 XC Black Gaming model (no OC, no backplate) is still out of stock.

The high-end models are now frequently sold below original release MSRP here in the USA but that is not the case with the entry-level and mid-range cards.

My guess is that Nvidia and AMD will launch their halo cards (RTX 4090 and RX 7900 or whatever they end up being called) and then slash prices deeply on Ampere and RNDA2 to clear out channel inventory before they launch mid-range next gen cards early next year.

So in a convoluted and perverse way brought about by the pandemic, crypto market crash, supply chain issues, and inflation, prices won't really return to normal until 2023. I would expect some great deals on current models in Q4 of this year.

 

[ARF]

To buy or not to buy, to discount or not to discount? That is the question..

Availability is going down a bit, means people are buying.

"A few days ago, we reported that AMD & NVIDIA were prepping up new price cuts for their GPUs which would be issued by their partners. However, it looks like the most recent price cuts haven't done particularly well in moving inventory and as such, both companies are now preparing for a more brutal round of price cuts, promotions, and discounts on their existing lineup."
AMD & NVIDIA Partners Ready To Offer More Brutal Price Cuts On GPUs In September, Current Cuts Not Moving Inventory As Expected (wccftech.com)


NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti & RTX 4060 Rumored To Feature Over 2.5 GHz Clocks, Top Model Faster Than An RTX 3080 10 GB (wccftech.com)

Based on these figures, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti & RTX 4060 would end up around 45-50% faster than their predecessors, the RTX 3060 Ti and RTX 3060. But this is only a synthetic result and gaming performance could be lower. So more realistically, if this result is anywhere close to reality, we can see a gaming performance improvement in the range of 25-40%. That's about right since the previous gen RTX 3060 series also got an average speed up ranging between 15-25% at max.

NVIDIA is expected to talk about its next-generation gaming GPU architecture at GTC 2022 next month so we will probably get to hear about new cards but the mainstream lineup is usually reserved for later (CES 2023).

 

[catulitechup]

AMD & NVIDIA Partners Ready To Offer More Brutal Price Cuts On GPUs In September, Current Cuts Not Moving Inventory As Expected

The sound of graphics card price cuts has been heard for a long time, but many users are not aware of it. According to the revelations of Taiwan Economic Daily, the main reason is that manufacturers are still discussing better preferential measures with dealers .

According to the latest news from Taiwan Economic Daily, the industry's destocking is not as good as expected. Graphics card manufacturers will start a new wave of price cuts from September, mainly NVIDIA and AMD products, and the price cuts will far exceed the previous efforts, which can be better to alleviate cost pressures.

Which cuts ?

only left remain with unsold e-garbage

 

[tussinman]

Which cuts ?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

The 3050, 3060, 3060ti, and 3070 are all literally over MSRP right now, nvidia literally didn't cut anything (there not even at MSRP pricing for most of there models).

AMD is a little better (6600, 6600XT, and 6700 are on average about 5-7% below MSRP) but to be honest in a more normal market those cards current prices would of most likely been the real 2021 MSRP so there not exactly steals right now

 

[ModEl4]

Which cuts ?

only left remain with unsold e-garbage

From my understanding they are talking about the cuts that they negotiated with their partners in Asia at around middle of August.
Outside Asia, these cuts will start to be visible logically from this week in Western regions when partners receive stock based on new price agreements.
But in Asia they had already 1-2 weeks to check if demand increased in a satisfying degree, so according to the report it seems the demand still isn't at the level that they need and are planning further price cuts already.

 

[Blaeza]

Does anyone think that AMD GPUs will drop in price in the next month? I'm looking to get a 6800 for under £500 or it'll be a 6750 with free ducky keyboard for £510, unless that drops too. Choices but hard ones!

 

[cvaldes]

Does anyone think that AMD GPUs will drop in price in the next month? I'm looking to get a 6800 for under £500 or it'll be a 6750 with free ducky keyboard for £510, unless that drops too. Choices but hard ones!

No one can predict the future but market conditions (excess GPU inventory at retailers) leads many to believe that prices will need to come down further to entice buyers. How much further? No one knows.

This is a complex situation because various parties are all trying to make some money (AMD, AIB partners, retailers) and do so in various markets under different circumstances (currency exchange fluctuations, inflation, overall customer interest, etc.). Bundling has been a longtime PC retailer strategy to move items of lower demand with items of higher demand.

Is the prospect of a free bundled keyboard enough to move graphics cards that are soon to become "previous generation"? I'm not so sure about that.

One thing we do know is that current pricing isn't depleting channel inventory fast enough.

 

[Blaeza]

Well October 7th I get a new GPU and kind of hope it's a 6800 but I've only ever had a dell keyboard, so its a win win situation for me regardless. But if they all suddenly drop I'd take a 6800 xt for £500 no question.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Well October 7th I get a new GPU and kind of hope it's a 6800 but I've only ever had a dell keyboard, so its a win win situation for me regardless. But if they all suddenly drop I'd take a 6800 xt for £500 no question.

6600 XT for under USD200 and I'll probably open my wallet. Timeline on that? Can't even guess.

 

[ARF]

Timeline of pricing:

16.08.2022

Radeon RX 6400 - 168.82 euro
Radeon RX 6500 XT - 169.00 euro
Radeon RX 6600 - 294.00 euro
Radeon RX 6600 XT - 394.13 euro
Radeon RX 6650 XT - 402.34 euro
Radeon RX 6700 XT - 479.90 euro
Radeon RX 6750 XT - 549.00 euro
Radeon RX 6800 - 639.00 euro
Radeon RX 6800 XT - 769.00 euro
Radeon RX 6900 XT - 929.00 euro
Radeon RX 6950 XT - 1181.50 euro

23.08.2022

Radeon RX 6400 - 171.38 euro
Radeon RX 6500 XT - 187.00 euro
Radeon RX 6600 - 289.00 euro
Radeon RX 6600 XT - 394.13 euro
Radeon RX 6650 XT - 403.00 euro
Radeon RX 6700 XT - 479.90 euro
Radeon RX 6750 XT - 549.00 euro
Radeon RX 6800 - 639.00 euro
Radeon RX 6800 XT - 769.00 euro
Radeon RX 6900 XT - 899.00 euro
Radeon RX 6950 XT - 1173.98 euro

30.08.2022

Radeon RX 6400 - 171.69 euro
Radeon RX 6500 XT - 187.90 euro
Radeon RX 6600 - 278.00 euro
Radeon RX 6600 XT - 388.96 euro
Radeon RX 6650 XT - 403.00 euro
Radeon RX 6700 XT - 431.10 euro
Radeon RX 6750 XT - 540.48 euro
Radeon RX 6800 - 629.00 euro
Radeon RX 6800 XT - 769.00 euro
Radeon RX 6900 XT - 924.92 euro
Radeon RX 6950 XT - 1173.98 euro

 

[ModEl4]

6600 XT for under USD200 and I'll probably open my wallet. Timeline on that? Can't even guess.

You mean under $200 for XT, new model with full warranty or used model?

 

[ARF]

You mean under $200 for XT, new model with full warranty or used model?

On newegg it is now $275 brand new with shipping included.

 

[ModEl4]

On newegg it is now $275 brand new with shipping included.

Someone to answer @80-watt Hamster question must have an idea about the stock situation/production/sales forecast of Navi23 at least and i don't.
I just think it doesn't make sense the XT model to drop at $199 or less unless AMD or Nvidia has a below $399 chip on the market with good availability and without inflation in relation to its SRP (something Navi33 based or AD106 based and these are going to launch according to rumors next year) and AMD must have at that time sufficient Navi23 stock to support the need for such price.
I'm a little pessimistic, i don't think this year 6600XT will fall below $215 but it's just a feeling, i have no data to support a reasoning behind it.
In Black Friday, Cyber Monday etc could happen though!

 

[ARF]

It is a question of if AMD or nvidia want to push the sales - the sales won't come simply from themselves, there should be a strong driver.
The only driver is pushing the pricings down.

Actually, the 6600 XT is $299 there, I saw a $275 non-XT model which somehow falls in the search list under the XT...

 

[ModEl4]

It is a question of if AMD or nvidia want to push the sales - the sales won't come simply from themselves, there should be a strong driver.
The only driver is pushing the pricings down.

Actually, the 6600 XT is $299 there, I saw a $275 non-XT model which somehow falls in the search list under the XT...

I saw it too, it's an eagle 3fan model so somehow it's vying to reach higher status lol

The process of thought for $215 was this:
End of August $295 for 6600XT
Assumption: There will not be a need for market testing/stock moving in RX 6600XT region/competition for more than 10% discount per month (drop it, wait 2 weeks and see the results and then respond again accordingly) so:
1st of September $295
1st of October ≥$265
1st of November ≥$239
1st of December ≥$215
So next year at best case.
This was my napkin math brain fart lol

 

[80-watt Hamster]

You mean under $200 for XT, new model with full warranty or used model?

Would obv. prefer new, but used would be fine. Neither may happen, and that's okay. A card meaningfully faster than a 3050 will hit that point eventually, and I'm content to wait.

I saw it too, it's an eagle 3fan model so somehow it's vying to reach higher status lol

The process of thought for $215 was this:
End of August $295 for 6600XT
Assumption: There will not be a need for market testing/stock moving in RX 6600XT region/competition for more than 10% discount per month (drop it, wait 2 weeks and see the results and then respond again accordingly) so:
1st of September $295
1st of October ≥$265
1st of November ≥$239
1st of December ≥$215
So next year at best case.
This was my napkin math brain fart lol

There seems to be a bit of tension on current US pricing. Been holding steady for several weeks, or at least looks like it to me.

 

[ModEl4]

Would obv. prefer new, but used would be fine. Neither may happen, and that's okay. A card meaningfully faster than a 3050 will hit that point eventually, and I'm content to wait.



There seems to be a bit of tension on current US pricing. Been holding steady for several weeks, or at least looks like it to me.

Same in Europe, but at first i just thought that it was the €/$ exchange rate prospect realization that finally hit importers early August.
I don't want to be a bad influence but i can see a scenario were RX 6600XT don't drop below $239 this year (but for RX 6600 $199 should be possible)

 

[Sithaer]

For what its worth the 6600 XT is still 460+ $ where I live, brand new one with VAT included.
Actually from what I noticed in the past weeks the prices going up again a bit instead of going down.

I guess as usual I will turn to the second hand market whenever I decide to upgrade my GPU, I don't mind second hand GPUs as long as they are in a good condition and preferably have some warranty left. 'so far they worked out just fine for me, only had second hand cards in the past 4+ years'

 

[StormLightningSL]

I'm in the market for a higher end current generation card with good ray-tracing, but it's all very depressing for my wallet The lowest price that I can currently see for top end Nvidia cards is 3080 Ti @ US$1,150 and 3090 Ti @ US$1,700, both including VAT, where I am. Prices for even the lower end cards are still pretty high where I am. For example, a 3060 (non-Ti) is around US$400+.

If I have to wait until Q1/Q2 2023 for the next generation cards to become mainstream, I may not have much of a choice except to splurge on a 3080 Ti if I want my visuals to continue to be worthwhile more than a couple of years down the line. If I want 120fps visuals, I may have to upgrade 2 years down the line because I move to a 4K monitor. I would probably have to spend around US$1,500+ for a 5080 Ti at that time since I assume prices will go up even otherwise (inflation, etc.). I'm wondering if it makes more sense to stretch a bit (a lot, actually) and go with a 3090 Ti now, so it would last me 3-4 years, or wait until Summer 2023 and buy a 4070 / 4070 Ti. If I choose to wait, I will need to spend on a mediocre stand-by card, which will mostly be useless afterwards.

 

[kapone32]

Yeah, let's agree that the 6600/XT is a card for 1080p medium.
Which is pathetic for its current price range.

But so is the 3050.

 

[Valantar]

I'm in the market for a higher end current generation card with good ray-tracing, but it's all very depressing for my wallet The lowest price that I can currently see for top end Nvidia cards is 3080 Ti @ US$1,150 and 3090 Ti @ US$1,700, both including VAT, where I am. Prices for even the lower end cards are still pretty high where I am. For example, a 3060 (non-Ti) is around US$400+.

If I have to wait until Q1/Q2 2023 for the next generation cards to become mainstream, I may not have much of a choice except to splurge on a 3080 Ti if I want my visuals to continue to be worthwhile more than a couple of years down the line. If I want 120fps visuals, I may have to upgrade 2 years down the line because I move to a 4K monitor. I would probably have to spend around US$1,500+ for a 5080 Ti at that time since I assume prices will go up even otherwise (inflation, etc.). I'm wondering if it makes more sense to stretch a bit (a lot, actually) and go with a 3090 Ti now, so it would last me 3-4 years, or wait until Summer 2023 and buy a 4070 / 4070 Ti. If I choose to wait, I will need to spend on a mediocre stand-by card, which will mostly be useless afterwards.

The performance difference between a 3080 Ti and 3090 Ti is 10% at 2160p, less at lower resolutions. There is absolutely no possible future scenario in which that 10% difference makes the 3090Ti last you meaningfully longer than the 3080Ti, especially not 3-4 years vs. 2 years. You want 120fps? If the 3090Ti does that, the 3080Ti does ~108fps. If a 3090 Ti does 144fps, the 3080 Ti does ~130fps. You will not notice the difference between the two, and their perceived longevity will be identical. When the 3090 Ti starts falling to 60fps, the 3080 Ti will be right there with it at 54fps. And, quite frankly, at that point you should long since have started lowering settings to maintain your 120+fps.

 

[StormLightningSL]

The performance difference between a 3080 Ti and 3090 Ti is 10% at 2160p, less at lower resolutions. There is absolutely no possible future scenario in which that 10% difference makes the 3090Ti last you meaningfully longer than the 3080Ti, especially not 3-4 years vs. 2 years. You want 120fps? If the 3090Ti does that, the 3080Ti does ~108fps. If a 3090 Ti does 144fps, the 3080 Ti does ~130fps. You will not notice the difference between the two, and their perceived longevity will be identical. When the 3090 Ti starts falling to 60fps, the 3080 Ti will be right there with it at 54fps. And, quite frankly, at that point you should long since have started lowering settings to maintain your 120+fps.

What you are saying makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

 

[64K]

The 3090 Ti isn't really targeted at gaming for the most part. It's a prosumer card.

 

[Valantar]

The 3090 Ti isn't really targeted at gaming for the most part. It's a prosumer card.

It's a Titan in reality, it's just that by calling it a Geforce instead they massively increase the target market to include the "have much money, little critical thinking, will buy for status and gear fetishism" crowd. Parts of which of course still bought Titans, but to a lesser degree - it's nominally not a gaming series, after all.

 

[Arco]

Must. Buy. Flagship!

Honestly maybe never. This has really messed up the market.