RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K

[Godrilla]

That's why I'm waiting for Zen 4 3d on am5 future proofing and potentially upgrade to better CPU down the line. Isn't it sad all that performance wasted with dp 1.4 image quality! Even with a better CPU you still have to compromise image quality from compression on a 4 generations now supported standard since gtx 10 series. While my 9900 ks is obviously bottlenecking my 4090 at 4k I am still getting more than double the performance than my Neutered 3090 xc3 ultra hybrid which is more than satisfying for now.
Great article and thank you for the hard work!

 

[konga]

That's why I'm waiting for Zen 4 3d on am5 future proofing and potentially upgrade to better CPU down the line. Isn't it sad all that performance wasted with dp 1.4 image quality! Even with a better CPU you still have to compromise image quality from compression on a 4 generations now supported standard since gtx 10 series. While my 9900 ks is obviously bottlenecking my 4090 at 4k I am still getting more than double the performance than my Neutered 3090 xc3 ultra hybrid which is more than satisfying for now.
Great article and thank you for the hard work!

DSC does not reduce image quality. The whole point of it is that it's "visually lossless." I've used a DSC monitor side-by-side with a non-DSC monitor for two years now and have not noticed a single instanced of degraded image quality on the DSC monitor.

 

[ACE76]

This review should have been done with the 5800x3d.

 

[InVasMani]

13600K will likely generally be more appealing than the 12900K outside a heavy overclock of the latter in terms of performance, but as a whole 13600K will look way more appealing to anyone considering power draw, noise, heat, and dollar cost. At or below the same max power limit of the 13600K it'll probably be more appealing typically.

 

[konga]

13600K will likely generally be more appealing than the 12900K outside a heavy overclock of the latter in terms of performance, but as a whole 13600K will look way more appealing to anyone considering power draw, noise, heat, and dollar cost. At or below the same max power limit of the 13600K it'll probably be more appealing typically.

Indeed. I have a Dark Rock Pro 4 and do not wish to upgrade the cooler. I will either buy a 13600K or try to do power limit stuff on the 13700K to make it reasonable on the DRP4, if the reviews indicate there's a reason to do so. Ideally I'd wait until Zen 4 3D to make a purchasing decision, but my 4090 is arriving tomorrow and I have a feeling my 5600X isn't gonna cut it.

 

[Mistral]

Isn't the 12900K practically twice the price of the 5800x right now? In my area it is 330 Canuckian bucks vs 650..

 

[InVasMani]

13700K is honestly just a bad pitch for Intel to me it's either 13600K with DDR4 or 13900K DDR5 no in between. The 13700K is in similar rock and hard spot to me as Zen 4 is currently prior to the X3D variants arrival. It's not a very good positioned chip to me generally I'd say the current Zen 4 parts aren't either. I'm either dipping my toes in the raptors mouth or all it's belly.

That's if I go with Intel at all the 5800X3D is still a relevant consideration and Zen 4 X3D I want to try to wait to see if it's even worth it. I'd even consider a few AM4 SKU's outside of the 5800X3D though depends on the relative value angle of certain options heavily. I'll know when I'm ready when the deal is good enough I don't want to pass on it. If I have to debate the purchase decision I probably don't need it and shouldn't.

I can understand not wanting to doll out more money on new cooler if it can be avoided.

 

[Garrus]

13700K is honestly just a bad pitch for Intel to me it's either 13600K with DDR4 or 13900K DDR5 no in between. The 13700K is in similar rock and hard spot to me as Zen 4 is currently prior to the X3D variants arrival. It's not a very good positioned chip to me generally I'd say the current Zen 4 parts aren't either. I'm either dipping my toes in the raptors mouth or all it's belly.

That's if I go with Intel at all the 5800X3D is still a relevant consideration and Zen 4 X3D I want to try to wait to see if it's even worth it. I'd even consider a few AM4 SKU's outside of the 5800X3D though depends on the relative value angle of certain options heavily. I'll know when I'm ready when the deal is good enough I don't want to pass on it. If I have to debate the purchase decision I probably don't need it and shouldn't.

I can understand not wanting to doll out more money on new cooler if it can be avoided.

The i7 is the best chip. The i5 is nerfed in cache and gaming performance and default clock speeds. The i7 gets you everything plus 2 more P cores, the important ones. The i9 just gets you a bunch of nearly useless E cores and doesn't actually perform better at the same clock speed as the i7 for gaming. Also in most countries like my own there is a very tiny price difference i7 versus i5 now as the i5 is WAY overpriced. Meanwhile they want an extra $200 for the i9 over the i7.

 

[Gundem]

Very interesting write up. Thank you. Getting a 4090 means getting a few other things too

 

[Dirt Chip]

The i7 is the best chip. The i5 is nerfed in cache and gaming performance and default clock speeds. The i7 gets you everything plus 2 more P cores, the important ones. The i9 just gets you a bunch of nearly useless E cores and doesn't actually perform better at the same clock speed as the i7 for gaming. Also in most countries like my own there is a very tiny price difference i7 versus i5 now as the i5 is WAY overpriced. Meanwhile they want an extra $200 for the i9 over the i7.

Yep, i9/x9xx tier is for workload that take full use of multi-threaded, must feel they are "future-proof"\"have the best" or cant's stand the idea of losing any 1% FPS one in a while.

Any way, very informative article- I have a feeling RL is also there but not showmen as of NDA.

 

[W1zzard]

Well done on taking the time to do this massive test, it is more than appreciated. I think it needs to be stated that this is not an Intel vs AMD 'or mine is better than yours'! test but rather a bottle neck test show casing what a GPU like the RTX 4090 is going to need if you are looking to extract the best out of it...

Yeah it seems people think this is "AMD vs Intel at similar config" whereas the test is "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 12900K" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring (added this to test setup page, too, so people can stop freaking out)

Is the 12900K here running with e-cores enable in these games, I just want want claification of 24T vs 16T ?

12900K was running at default settings, so yes

And not one DX9

If you had to pick one game, that was a commercial success and that everybody knows, what would you choose?

because infinity fabric on zen4 stay at 3000mhz right?

IF on Zen 3 can do 1800 on all, 1900 on some, 2000 on very few
AMD says for Zen 4 2000 MHz is the sweet spot.

I'm not aware of anyone who has ever gotten 3000 MHz IF on Zen 3 or Zen 4

 

[Dirt Chip]

This review should have been done with the 5800x3d.

But then you also need the 12900KS "to be fair". Most people don`t have this CPU even among the top tier owners and anyway it is not AMD vs. Intel, although the way data is presented might make you think that way.

To get less bottlenecked we need better software much more than faster CPU`s.
We saturated cores\threads compliantly by now. More GHz and better IPC will sure help they come in single digit percentage, are slow progressed and cost more and more.
Game designers need to use make full use of BAR, SAM, and direct-storage tech the alleviate the CPU-GPU crosstalk.

Software and utilizing AI is where will's see the biggest improvement in this department, without the extra cost to the consumer.

 

[Tek-Check]

Got a link to the above chart? Will we get to see individual game results too alongside test setup notes and display resolutions?
One of the things I admire about TPU charts is the wealth of info that comes with it... a second source with a similar break-up would be great.

No individual games, as 3D Center carries out a meta-analysis of individual reviews. You would need to visit each individual review from tech websites around the world to try to discover whether they published breakdowns of games tested. For the starter, there is a list over there of all individual websites.

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[Dyatlov A]

Yeah it seems people think this is "AMD vs Intel at similar config" whereas the test is "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 12900K" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring (added this to test setup page, too, so people can stop freaking out)


12900K was running at default settings, so yes


If you had to pick one game, that was a commercial success and that everybody knows, what would you choose?


IF on Zen 3 can do 1800 on all, 1900 on some, 2000 on very few
AMD says for Zen 4 2000 MHz is the sweet spot.

I'm not aware of anyone who has ever gotten 3000 MHz IF on Zen 3 or Zen 4

If 12900K was on stock, than with optimization and overclock probably could do even bigger difference, while 5800X would not have any more room.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Extensive testing, but the data is not presented well. Would have been nice to at least see the fps, or even frametime graphs instead.
Questionable ram choice for 5800x, the infinity fabric is clocked high, but those timings (@ 4000 MHz 20-23-23-42 1T) most likely sandbagged the 5800x.
I wouldn't be surprised if good b-die at even 3600Mhz (with cl14 etc) would score much better (10-20%+), because zen 2 and 3 mostly scale with timings instead of raw frequency from my personal testing.

Oh, you sweet summer child...

 

[so11ex]

Dunno why but its always top of the line Intel CPU crushing some mid AMD (especially past gen)
Would be fair to have an update 7950x vs 13900k and to add some previous gen intel chip like 10600k/11600k
Right now it looks like a good intel advertisement. Dont forget that many of your site visitors are not so familiar with hardware. What will they remember some time later? Intel>AMD approx 1.2x. Thats it.

 

[Cryio]

At this point I think TPU is doing it intentionally on listing Days Gone as DX12 as some sort of Meta Joke.

They've been doing it for 3 years

 

[joseLopez]

The amd 5800x is half the price of the intel, and the 5800x3d is 26% less than the intel. Despite all that, the 5800x3d would be the right cpu to test, and using a better ddr4.

 

[W1zzard]

At this point I think TPU is doing it intentionally on listing Days Gone as DX12 as some sort of Meta Joke.

They've been doing it for 3 years

Bah .. and I could swear it was DX12 .. this will be fun to fix

http://imgur.com/utgMca3

The amd 5800x is half the price of the intel, and the 5800x3d is 26% less than the intel. Despite all that, the 5800x3d would be the right cpu to test, and using a better ddr4.

Just from a few posts above yours: "Yeah it seems people think this is "AMD vs Intel at similar config" whereas the test is "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 12900K" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring (added this to test setup page, too, so people can stop freaking out)"

I will be testing 5800X3D soon

 

[Silvinjo]

Any info when is test coming out with 13900k vs 2700X with 2666 CL16 ram ?

 

[adilazimdegilx]

Thank you for this huge test w1z. I guess it shows clearly that it's time to change your bench system. Seems like 13900k will be the replacement as it is expected to be faster than 12900k. Even in that case, you'd like your cpu to be in the best condition (be it overclocked, on best memory configuration etc) to future proof your testing setup as possible. You might want to consider using process lasso with games like DMC5 as they taint the results. I don't know if disabling them all together is better, might even just do that if it is.
Even then I'm not sure if that new system would serve for long though. Since 4090 released, I'm expecting a huge jump on CPU side as well in near future. As we have clearly seen that current CPUs doesn't just cut it and we have still yet to see 7000s and 4090ti. Both Intel and AMD will surely force their hands in their next generation/launch.
This gets me really excited for near future, looking forward your new reviews.

 

[siluro818]

Bah .. and I could swear it was DX12 .. this will be fun to fix

http://imgur.com/utgMca3

Just from a few posts above yours: "Yeah it seems people think this is "AMD vs Intel at similar config" whereas the test is "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 12900K" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring (added this to test setup page, too, so people can stop freaking out)"

I will be testing 5800X3D soon

You would have saved yourself all the explaining had you not used "Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K" in the title of this piece...

 

[Godrilla]

I noticed no RT which is probably the best fit for this gpu and will make it even more gpu bound at 6 % overall delta might be less with some outliers naturally.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Yeah it seems people think this is "AMD vs Intel at similar config" whereas the test is "The current GPU Test System that I have right now, a decent but slightly aged config, vs 12900K" to find out how much of a difference an upgrade can bring (added this to test setup page, too, so people can stop freaking out)

That's because people no longer read these days. It's pretty obvious from your conclusion that these tests are meant to show how even a slightly old CPU is going to massively bottleneck this GPU.

 

[Colddecked]

Indeed. I have a Dark Rock Pro 4 and do not wish to upgrade the cooler. I will either buy a 13600K or try to do power limit stuff on the 13700K to make it reasonable on the DRP4, if the reviews indicate there's a reason to do so. Ideally I'd wait until Zen 4 3D to make a purchasing decision, but my 4090 is arriving tomorrow and I have a feeling my 5600X isn't gonna cut it.

If you want to hold out until zen4 3d, why not try out a 5800x3d?