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I agree with this person's comments as he says certain things in a PC type manner.

But from where I am standing If I was running AMD ,I would want to fire Dr.Su for the blatant misinformation of these upcoming cards.

I pretty much know how much they are making HUGE profits on this card because of going to the chiplet format. So IMHO you are paying another AMD Tax, just like you are paying for the motherboard chipset.

I don't like limited launches and IMHO THIS IS ONE. Bragging rights for "selling out of product" is just getting old.

This is all her damned fault for the misinformation to happen. ALL OF IT.

I don't think Lisa herself had anything to do with this. It's the marketing departments that make the press decks. I will give them credit for RDNA 2 being a competent graphics architecture, and really, if you look at it objectively, RDNA 3 is quite well architected as well. Ada takes a tried-and-true approach to chip design, and with so much more execution units, it's no wonder that the AD102 is a faster design.

The GCD on Navi 31 has 96 compute units in it, vs. the 142 SMs in a full AD102 and 128 in the cutdown configuration used in the RTX 4090, it's just not a GPU of the same caliber or size, and to that extent I believe AMD's hardware engineers did quite well. It's a shame it doesn't equal the 4090 in raster, I expected this given Navi 21 did match and even exceed GA102 here, but they didn't hit this mark this time around. Even then, this is not a bad product - and I strongly believe you will be hard pressed to find a game that will not run at 4K, 60 fps steady on this with every single graphics option you can think of.

Despite the chiplet approach, the bill of materials for this GPU is significantly higher than that of NVIDIA's on your average RTX 4080 design. NV could probably undercut their cards by $600 and still make a profit, the same likely cannot be said of AMD here.

I have several criticisms that are orders of magnitude more important than this one to level at the company :oops:
 
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I can't get my head around how people even consider this a good value. Nevermind the paper launch ( especially on Europe as usual) on reddit the price for a aib model was 1300€
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/zgqi13 and it doesn't seem farfetched at all

I get most of people in TPU don't really represent your typical average gpu buyer, but damn are you all diving Lambos or some shit.

Reviewers are even worst.

I think at this rate looking for prices or last gen cards for nvidia and amd in Europe, this is going to insane lengths and i doubt it's sustainable.
The cheapest I see is 1499 Euro for XFX version.

Cheapest 4080 is Palit, at 1350 (which makes it "only" 1134 before VAT, curiously, below MSRP)

In stock at one place, in Portugal, but the price tho:
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Again, not a halo-product, this price makes the card not appealing at all.
IMO, in this country, this launch makes the RX 6800 XT and the RX 6700 XT the most appealing cards to get, even if still €200 above what would be reasonable.
But Portugal VAT is 23%.
Price looks right.
 
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People need to become realistic. 4090 was out of reach on average performance for the reference 7900XTX since SMs are so many more. RTX4080 already is and will become even slower in a few months with driver updates on a totally new arch. Power draw and efficiency due to the nVidia using 4nm is normal to be lost for N31 made on 5nm. Thing is that +3GHz is doable and price is better relatively to performance compared to any nVidia on market today. Also RT performance is equal to the best RTX30 series, so not so bad since those are still selling while being clearly slower and less efficienct than both AMD's 6900 and 7900 gpu series. Bugs will be ironed out and then, 7900 series will get its pace up. Especially for anyone liking oc. My 5c.
 
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I can understand gamers who don't care about money and buy a 4090 or stretch their budget and also buy a 4090 because it's a unique card, the only that offers a great 4K experience in basically all titles without upscaling.

What I can't understand is paying fat dollars for GPUs that are suitable only for 1440p gaming. God forbid turning RT on.
Yeah, i mean the 4090 is kind of for rich people. The halo product, the epen. And it increased by $100, 6%. But the 4080 got a +70%, +$500 increase in price. Did people suddenly got their salary increased by 70%??
And the fake 7900XTX that competes only with the 4080 but got the price of the 6900XT that competed with the 3090. WTF.

I only see junkie behavior honestly.
 
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She brought a company near bankruptcy to lead the S&P 500 over the likes of Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, Nvidia, Intel, ect as a Asian woman in America. If she doesn't inspiration a whole generation of youth in this country and around the globe I don't know who the hell could.
 
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So, I just got mine Sapphire 7900 XTX (reference design) delivered.
It's price was (as in everything was sold out in 10mins) 1179CHF ( 7.7% tax included) here in Switzerland. That is around 1185USD without tax, so almost 200USD over MSRP.

The packaging is very basic and feels so cheap that it is disgusting for something that costs that much. I bought it for a new build, but not sure if I should keep it.

Graphic card itself, feels really solid and its healthy heavy. Design is nice (I like simple designs, not "in your face").

EDIT: Of course 4080s are going for 1450+USD (no tax), so price difference is still there.
 
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She brought a company near bankruptcy to lead the S&P 500 over the likes of Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, Nvidia, Intel, ect as a Asian woman in America. If she doesn't inspiration a whole generation of youth in this country and around the globe I don't know who the hell could.
Dude, let me break this to you:

1) Asian women is the group earning more than any other group for the last 3 quarters straight in US. Diversity quotas work wonders, you know.
2) I recall there was that guy... who's name starts with J and surname with K that did some amazing stuff at AMD, I was told.
 
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So, I just got mine Sapphire 7900 XTX (reference design) delivered.
It's price was (as in everything was sold out in 10mins) 1179CHF ( 7.7% tax included) here in Switzerland. That is around 1185USD without tax, so almost 200USD over MSRP.

The packaging is very basic and feels so cheap that it is disgusting for something that costs that much. I bought it for a new build, but not sure if I should keep it.

Graphic card itself, feels really solid and its healthy heavy. Design is nice (I like simple designs, not "in your face").

EDIT: Of course 4080s are going for 1450+USD (no tax), so price difference is still there.
As long as it arrived safely who cares if the box feels cheap, you're just going to throw it away next week anyway.
 
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Dude, let me break this to you:

1) Asian women is the group earning more than any other group for the last 3 quarters straight in US. Diversity quotas work wonders, you know.
2) I recall there was that guy... who's name starts with J and surname with K that did some amazing stuff at AMD, I was told.
LOL

Afraid of diversity?
 
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Card is OK, but... Yeah, the price. It's still just too much. Well, I guess mid and higher end gaming is becoming a bigger privilege after all, sad as it is.
 
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Card is OK, but... Yeah, the price. It's still just too much. Well, I guess mid and higher end gaming is becoming a bigger privilege after all, sad as it is.
It's exactly the same price as the 6900 XT had at launch. Mid-to-high end gaming starts with the x700 tier, imo (or x600 if you don't mind "lower" resolutions, like 1080p). ;)

LOL

Afraid of diversity?
I read "diversity quotas", not "diversity". Those are two entirely different things, you know.
 
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I see so much negativity about this card from some people and while I do understand it, I'm also shaking my head at how ridiculous some of them are. A video card is made good or bad by its competition and nVidia has done a GREAT job of making Radeons good in spite of themselves this gen. Don't blame AMD for the pricing because the consumers are really to blame. Then of course AMD has to raise their prices because they know that enough people will buy nVidia no matter the price (which is another serious issue with the GPU market) because it means that nVidia will be rolling in it and so AMD has to rake in more in order to keep up with nVidia's huge R&D budget! Consumers need to start blaming themselves for this situation because it sits squarely on our shoulders. WE are in control of the market but we haven't been in control of ourselves. That's the biggest issue imaginable in any industry marketplace, not just this one.

It's time for a reality check (and I don't care if you don't like it because it's the truth):

Universe-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer and have an RTX 3090, you're almost as dumb as it gets and you would be if the RTX 3090 Ti didn't exist. This is because it means that you spent an extra $800 (MORE THAN DOUBLE) over the price of the RTX 3080 for an absurd 13% performance increase. Again, this is assuming that you managed to get it at MSRP because if you didn't, you could have paid as much as an extra $1,500! That's a stupid amount of money to spend just to stroke your ego and be able to say that you had "the fastest video card in the world" for the maximum of 15 months before the RTX 3090 Ti came out. The only people who make you look smart are the gamers who bought the RTX 3090 Ti. You are the biggest reason that Jensen keeps pushing the prices up because if you show that you're willing to pay it, why wouldn't he?

Galaxy-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer and have an RX 6900 XT (or RX 6950 XT for that matter), then you are still a big part of the problem. If you managed to get your card at MSRP, it means that you spent $350 to get a measly 9% performance advantage over the RX 6800 XT. If you didn't manage to get it at MSRP, you could have paid as much as an extra $700 over the price of the RX 6800 XT. You're not the dumbest class of people I'm profiling here, but you're solidly in second-place because you demonstrated that you're willing to pay WAY more for a video card than you really had to (even at MSRP) and AMD saw that you were willing to do this. They remember this when they do market research and analysis and conduct themselves accordingly.

Constellation-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer but paid the exorbitant prices of the RTX 3080 12GB or RTX 3080 Ti, I don't need to explain to you what I just explained to the first two levels.

System-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer and have an RX 6800/XT or RTX 3080 but you paid more than MSRP, you still showed that you were willing to pay way too much for a video card which also helped to fuel the fire, even if it wasn't to the same extent as the first two categories. I myself am in this category because I myself am guilty of paying a good deal more than I should have so don't think that I'm trying to play innocent here. The fact that I did this is something that made me swear at myself in the mirror a couple of times after the initial joy of having the card wore off and I realised that I should've just stuck with my RX 5700 XT. The only reason why the people in this category are smarter than the people in the previous categories is that, as crazy as it sounds, they did choose to be screwed over LESS than the people in the first two categories, for whatever that's worth.

Planet-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer and you're rocking a GeForce GPU below an RTX 3080, then you have no right to complain about value because at whatever price you paid (or often less than you paid), there's a Radeon that absolutely DEMOLISHES your GeForce card in performance. The only reason that you're smarter than the first three categories is that you most likely paid a crap-tonne less than they did and that's a good thing because it didn't make the tech executives' eyes get as big as the first three categories.

BS Excuse #1, Ray-Tracing - RT is barely usable on cards below the RTX 3080. Just to be playable, you have to compensate with DLSS and as good as DLSS is, it's no match for native resolution and never has been. You chose to throw too much money at nVidia for the card you own and you showed Jensen that it doesn't matter how crappy nVidia's low-end is because you're willing to screw yourself over just so you can get a video card in a green box.

BS Excuse #2 - Radeon Drivers - Radeon drivers haven't been problematic in years. I'm sure that 99% of the so-called "driver issues" from Radeons were either because the owner didn't think to use DDU or it wasn't the drivers in the first place, it was just an ID10T error. I myself had issues with my RX 5700 XT when I first bought it, but it was a hardware problem, a power distribution problem that went away when I did an RMA to XFX. I had no driver issues with my HD 7970s, R9 Furies, RX 5700 XT or my RX 6800 XT. That's over ten years of Radeon use with no driver problems. I don't believe that I was just lucky because as redundant as it sounds, I've never been lucky enough to be lucky.

Universe-Level Geniuses - If you're a gamer and use an RX 6700 XT or any Radeon below that, or you use an old GeForce GTX 1000-series card 9or older) that you bought years ago, then congratulations because you're the smartest consumers in the room and far smarter than I am. You read the writing on the walls and made the smart choice to just get something with which to weather the storm while taking the least amount of financial damage possible or stick with what you had (which is what I should've done) while still being able to game decently. You ignored the marketing BS and got only what you needed to survive. If everyone was like you, we wouldn't be in this mess AT ALL.

I could've been a Universe-Level Genius but I ultimately failed because I wanted the first gamer-grade Radeon reference card to NOT use a blower cooler and I got it for $500CAD less than what I could get any other RX 6800 XT for at the time. I tried to excuse the purchase away with this fact, but it was, at the end of the day, an emotional purchase and I should've known better because I'm not a kid, I'm a grown man. Therefore, I hang my head in shame as being System-Level Stupid. I am part of the reason that video cards have become so expensive. The thing is, we can turn this around if we vow to be better the next time we purchase a video card (or CPU for that matter) and remember that the thrill of owning it is very short-lived. If we demonstrate a gravitation to lower priced cards with better value and leave the expensive cards with crappy values on the shelves, sure it will take a couple of generations, but this problem will eventually solve itself.

If you really don't care if the situation resolves itself or not, then you're probably a sociopath and are beyond redemption. Personally, I'm glad that I was able to come to this conclusion because admitting that a problem exists is always the first step towards solving it. Oh yeah, the other thing is, if you bought a GeForce card, then you have no right to whine about anything that AMD does because you chose to support the other side and they don't owe you a damn thing. On the other hand, if you own a Radeon, then you have no reason to whine about anything that nVidia does because you've already avoided that bullet.

Goodnight everyone!
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There is a hot fix driver out now for the 7900 series, 22.12.1.

AMD Driver Link
 
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2) I recall there was that guy... who's name starts with J and surname with K that did some amazing stuff at AMD, I was told.
John Kennedy?
The first J(F)K that came to my mind..
 
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John Kennedy?
The first J(F)K that came to my mind..
Yeah, Lee Harvey Intel had him assassinated to make sure AMD would truly not progress. Though Rumor has it that Nvidia was the guy at the grassy knoll
 
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I see so much negativity about this card from some people and while I do understand it, I'm also shaking my head at how ridiculous some of them are. A video card is made good or bad by its competition and nVidia has done a GREAT job of making Radeons good in spite of themselves this gen. Don't blame AMD for the pricing because the consumers are really to blame. Then of course AMD has to raise their prices because they know that enough people will buy nVidia no matter the price (which is another serious issue with the GPU market) because it means that nVidia will be rolling in it and so AMD has to rake in more in order to keep up with nVidia's huge R&D budget! Consumers need to start blaming themselves for this situation because it sits squarely on our shoulders. WE are in control of the market but we haven't been in control of ourselves. That's the biggest issue imaginable in any industry marketplace, not just this one.

It's time for a reality check (and I don't care if you don't like it because it's the truth):

Universe-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer and have an RTX 3090, you're almost as dumb as it gets and you would be if the RTX 3090 Ti didn't exist. This is because it means that you spent an extra $800 (MORE THAN DOUBLE) over the price of the RTX 3080 for an absurd 13% performance increase. Again, this is assuming that you managed to get it at MSRP because if you didn't, you could have paid as much as an extra $1,500! That's a stupid amount of money to spend just to stroke your ego and be able to say that you had "the fastest video card in the world" for the maximum of 15 months before the RTX 3090 Ti came out. The only people who make you look smart are the gamers who bought the RTX 3090 Ti. You are the biggest reason that Jensen keeps pushing the prices up because if you show that you're willing to pay it, why wouldn't he?

Galaxy-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer and have an RX 6900 XT (or RX 6950 XT for that matter), then you are still a big part of the problem. If you managed to get your card at MSRP, it means that you spent $350 to get a measly 9% performance advantage over the RX 6800 XT. If you didn't manage to get it at MSRP, you could have paid as much as an extra $700 over the price of the RX 6800 XT. You're not the dumbest class of people I'm profiling here, but you're solidly in second-place because you demonstrated that you're willing to pay WAY more for a video card than you really had to (even at MSRP) and AMD saw that you were willing to do this. They remember this when they do market research and analysis and conduct themselves accordingly.

Constellation-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer but paid the exorbitant prices of the RTX 3080 12GB or RTX 3080 Ti, I don't need to explain to you what I just explained to the first two levels.

System-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer and have an RX 6800/XT or RTX 3080 but you paid more than MSRP, you still showed that you were willing to pay way too much for a video card which also helped to fuel the fire, even if it wasn't to the same extent as the first two categories. I myself am in this category because I myself am guilty of paying a good deal more than I should have so don't think that I'm trying to play innocent here. The fact that I did this is something that made me swear at myself in the mirror a couple of times after the initial joy of having the card wore off and I realised that I should've just stuck with my RX 5700 XT. The only reason why the people in this category are smarter than the people in the previous categories is that, as crazy as it sounds, they did choose to be screwed over LESS than the people in the first two categories, for whatever that's worth.

Planet-Level Stupid - If you're just a gamer and you're rocking a GeForce GPU below an RTX 3080, then you have no right to complain about value because at whatever price you paid (or often less than you paid), there's a Radeon that absolutely DEMOLISHES your GeForce card in performance. The only reason that you're smarter than the first three categories is that you most likely paid a crap-tonne less than they did and that's a good thing because it didn't make the tech executives' eyes get as big as the first three categories.

BS Excuse #1, Ray-Tracing - RT is barely usable on cards below the RTX 3080. Just to be playable, you have to compensate with DLSS and as good as DLSS is, it's no match for native resolution and never has been. You chose to throw too much money at nVidia for the card you own and you showed Jensen that it doesn't matter how crappy nVidia's low-end is because you're willing to screw yourself over just so you can get a video card in a green box.

BS Excuse #2 - Radeon Drivers - Radeon drivers haven't been problematic in years. I'm sure that 99% of the so-called "driver issues" from Radeons were either because the owner didn't think to use DDU or it wasn't the drivers in the first place, it was just an ID10T error. I myself had issues with my RX 5700 XT when I first bought it, but it was a hardware problem, a power distribution problem that went away when I did an RMA to XFX. I had no driver issues with my HD 7970s, R9 Furies, RX 5700 XT or my RX 6800 XT. That's over ten years of Radeon use with no driver problems. I don't believe that I was just lucky because as redundant as it sounds, I've never been lucky enough to be lucky.

Universe-Level Geniuses - If you're a gamer and use an RX 6700 XT or any Radeon below that, or you use an old GeForce GTX 1000-series card 9or older) that you bought years ago, then congratulations because you're the smartest consumers in the room and far smarter than I am. You read the writing on the walls and made the smart choice to just get something with which to weather the storm while taking the least amount of financial damage possible or stick with what you had (which is what I should've done) while still being able to game decently. You ignored the marketing BS and got only what you needed to survive. If everyone was like you, we wouldn't be in this mess AT ALL.

I could've been a Universe-Level Genius but I ultimately failed because I wanted the first gamer-grade Radeon reference card to NOT use a blower cooler and I got it for $500CAD less than what I could get any other RX 6800 XT for at the time. I tried to excuse the purchase away with this fact, but it was, at the end of the day, an emotional purchase and I should've known better because I'm not a kid, I'm a grown man. Therefore, I hang my head in shame as being System-Level Stupid. I am part of the reason that video cards have become so expensive. The thing is, we can turn this around if we vow to be better the next time we purchase a video card (or CPU for that matter) and remember that the thrill of owning it is very short-lived. If we demonstrate a gravitation to lower priced cards with better value and leave the expensive cards with crappy values on the shelves, sure it will take a couple of generations, but this problem will eventually solve itself.

If you really don't care if the situation resolves itself or not, then you're probably a sociopath and are beyond redemption. Personally, I'm glad that I was able to come to this conclusion because admitting that a problem exists is always the first step towards solving it. Oh yeah, the other thing is, if you bought a GeForce card, then you have no right to whine about anything that AMD does because you chose to support the other side and they don't owe you a damn thing. On the other hand, if you own a Radeon, then you have no reason to whine about anything that nVidia does because you've already avoided that bullet.

Goodnight everyone!
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That is an interesting dissertation on Penis envy, applying common sense to a completely leisure activity and the fruits of applying the Greed coefficient to Graphics cards while Games are getting even more fidelity.
 
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People do not care about price hikes........yikes. It's like gpus are a drug for them, they don't care how much it costs, they must have it. Compulsive addiction.
Here is another thing bothering me and this is about the price.

People are going to ruin it foe everyone else by buying these overpriced gadgets. They problem is that if features like RT can only be used on the very best of the best, even basic RT functions, then the technology may not progress as fast as only few people will have the benefit of using it because they could afford the tech. To the bean counters, they won't see it as important because not many can afford to use the tech and thus it either is barely used or only accessible to the wealthy. And it will get worst because the companies know in the end, people will pay abysmal prices for this feature instead.

We will see what happens when Unreal engine 5.1 becomes even more used and all those features that require RT to be enabled, how well it will work with current gen cards. But we already know what Silent Hill 2 remake requirements are.
 
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The other day, I almost bought a 6650XT for $250 brand new off Amazon for my HTPC/driving sim rig, but decided to wait for the budget 7000 series line up from AMD. I here they have a $400 7000-series card with RX 6800 performance coming out soon.

AMD is currently dominating in the budget to midrange market with their 6650XT and 6700XT cards being much cheaper. Most budget users don't care about RT performance, probably turn it off anyways.
This is me! I mean, I read these hyped reviews mostly to gauge what next gen tech is bringing to the market, but I really can't (won't!!) go for anything over 350€ this decade! I got company laptop with 5800X + RTX 3060 that cost 1000€, I am in no way interested in graphics card that costs more than whole PC (with screen!!).

Anyway, I'd be going for 6650/6700 if there wasn't for this the laptop (surprise upgrade) and now I'll need to wait for something like 7650/7700 to see how it goes. If they pull Nvidia and price it at 400$ that will translate to 500€ and I'm solidly out of that picture. Anything below wouldn't be an upgrade anyway.

So for me, it's sit and wait, and wait and wait, eventually price/perf will hit the spot where it's ok for me. I still have couple thousand games to play without RT in my library, and this laptop can max them all at 3440x1440.

I wish more people would sit and wait, would bring prices down way faster, see how Ryzen 7000 is being discounted so soon after launch. We can do it, just need to stop accepting 60% margins on graphics and CPUs when rest of the world works fine with 10-20%. Then 7900XTX would be a 700$ card, and 7600XT would be 200$ card.
 
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Universe-Level Stupid

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Constellation-Level Stupid

System-Level Stupid

Planet-Level Stupid

Universe-Level Geniuses


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That`s a hefty 'geniuses-stupidity' tier you got there man, second only to the too complicated NV-AMD tier structure of GPU`s.
You are quite decisive about what and how people NEED to shop, as if you accommodate all knowledge about each person inner reason whatsoever. I find it somewhat arrogance and falling into your own geniuses-stupidity system in a limbo.

I`m one of your supposed "Universe-Level Geniuses" with 970GTX while using a 4K monitor for gaming (among other things) but I can totally understand and justify someone that will opt to spend 1000-2000$ on a GPU alone. To many gaming is a hobby and for enjoying your preciouses spare time with that some will pay big and beyond what calculated as 'right' - they can (either they save $$$ specially for it or just have it) so they do. That's simple. No wrong about that imo.
I agree, and apply it myself, that you don't need all eye-candy and max settings in order to enjoy a good game but to which is own. I don`t crown people as 'geniuses-stupidity' and I don`t try to educate anyone- surly not by intituling insulting words or suggest a drastic psychological condition- and it`s sound you are trying to. The use of sharp and decisive terms only highlights the weakness of your argument and determinism is a cheap way out of insecurity.
I may just tip that going either edge direction is probably not the right way to go and might do good with a realty check on it`s own.

I don`t see the point of blaming (only) the people for having high cost hardware nowadays. Above all ,in the market we are in and imo, a fierce competition is the only major force to balance high prices. I also don't blame the gamers community for having capitalistic market, a dipole market, stock exchange market and post Covid-19 market- the root causes as I see it to the current inflated price situation.

If anything, buying a product out of brand consideration and not by your own specific needs (and you play the NV vs. AMD vs. the world game quite seriously) is what I might called (but I try not to) unwise and not in your own favorer. It will get you a bad deal in the short term and will boomerang to you on the long-run. You can`t paly the loyal-support or hate-boycott game with those kind of companies and they will try to exploit you on that very attempt (I wrote about it in the past in length).

I also reject the notion that someone don`t have a moral right to complain about X because he choose Y. To complain is one of man`s greatest needs and enjoinment so I won't go on denying that healthy pleasure from anyone. In the end whining is caring.
We are not in control of the market, although we have some (small) amount of influence on it as individual consumers. To go farther than that as to believe only us consumers can make all the change is naïve and unrealistic to the point of fantasy land stories. Trying to be in control of that will lead you do despair or worse- to loss all control whatsoever.

Shop color blindly fallowing your specific needs in a given time and according to your own budget ability after prioritization it.

Yeah, Lee Harvey Intel had him assassinated to make sure AMD would truly not progress. Though Rumor has it that Nvidia was the guy at the grassy knoll
Yep, and the evidence is that by 'RT on' and only by NV GPU you can see the real murderer in the video playback.
 
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Of course, I'm not just throwing out random information for fun.

The cost per 5nm wafer is $17k. Considering the yield, similar to 7nm, and the 300mm2 die of the main GPU chip(GCD), we have about 137 usable chips, costing about $124 each. Now we also have 6x cache chips(MCDs) costing about $12 each. So far the cost is at U$ 196.


It's kind of hard to know precisely the cost of GDDR6 20Gbps now, but 3 years ago before the chaos and inflation it was almost $12/Gb of slow 14Gbps memory.. so lets say its $14/Gb.

24Gb * 14 = U$ 336 + $196 = $532.

Now add the cost of all the other components and logistical complexity of the modular design, so... we have something closer to $700, ignore the cost of development and driver support for years to come.

Anyway, selling CPUs is a much better deal for AMD: small chips, very high margin, low investment requirement in support etc...
This may be true, although information is still guesswork, but it ignores huge elephant in the room. The fact that both TSMC and memory makers ALSO have 60% margins! And when AMD is buying chips that have 60% margin then puts it's own 60% on top, things go bananas real quick. I'm gonna repeat that none of these companies are in the red, they are having more and more money, at alarming rate! While even some big names of this world (non-IT) are happy with 25%. Just pop any big company name into Google search followed by "gross margin" and check the trends. It is THE reason for 1000$ cards (and 700$ "midrange", for God sakes). 60% on top of 60% on top of 60%...

But hey, as long as world has couple million people ready to buy 800-2500$ cards these companies will keep milking...
 
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So for me, it's sit and wait, and wait and wait, eventually price/perf will hit the spot where it's ok for me. I still have couple thousand games to play without RT in my library, and this laptop can max them all at 3440x1440.

I wish more people would sit and wait, would bring prices down way faster, see how Ryzen 7000 is being discontinued so soon after launch. We can do it, just need to stop accepting 60% margins on graphics and CPUs when rest of the world works fine with 10-20%. Then 7900XTX would be a 700$ card, and 7600XT would be 200$ card.
I`m with you on that 'sit and wait' train (or actually just watching all the trains go by as I stay put happily in my home), moving from aging i5-2400 and FHD monitor to top-of-the-flop 13900K+4K monitor all while keeping the same ancient 970GTX.
Many good games are still on my 'to play' list that will do just fine with that (uncommon) configuration (I just need the NV CUDA for work and the old one are the same as the new).
 
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6800XT $650 msrp -------- 7900XTX $1000 msrp, 51% higher performance for 53% higher price. Price/performance: crapola.

Exactly the same crap nvidia did with the 4080.
And don't get me started on the 7900 XT.

Let me start with 7900XT:

738€ for 6800XT vs 1286€ for 7900XT right here right now (lowest local price this moment).

142 FPS average at 1440p vs 184 FPS by TPU review.

So over 74% more money for under 30% more FPS
 
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This may be true, although information is still guesswork, but it ignores huge elephant in the room. The fact that both TSMC and memory makers ALSO have 60% margins! And when AMD is buying chips that have 60% margin then puts it's own 60% on top, things go bananas real quick. I'm gonna repeat that none of these companies are in the red, they are having more and more money, at alarming rate! While even some big names of this world (non-IT) are happy with 25%. Just pop any big company name into Google search followed by "gross margin" and check the trends. It is THE reason for 1000$ cards (and 700$ "midrange", for God sakes). 60% on top of 60% on top of 60%...

But hey, as long as world has couple million people ready to buy 800-2500$ cards these companies will keep milking...
I wish TSMC will get the same 'hate treatment' as NV having for gouging price.
The new dogma will be something like "don`t but overpriced TSMC, only Global founders (or Intel...)".
LOL all the way to absurdity.

Point is, going forward price will go up faster than silicon shrink (read performance increase) and that situation is a change to what we use to know till now.

AMD did good by going the efficient chiplet design\MCM design to offset the price a bit, but I'm not sure it will hold to their next gen.
NV are still monolithic and charging more for RT performance (rightfully I might add) but will probably stay the higher "premium" option next gen also.
All in all- AMD can safely keep riding the increased price wave lead by NV, keep the underdog 'robin hood' image all while selling tons of 1000$+ GPU`s. Very sleek.
 
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I wish TSMC will get the same 'hate treatment' as NV having for gouging price.
The new dogma will be something like "don`t but overpriced TSMC, only Global founders (or Intel...)".
LOL all the way to absurdity.
I don't think they will, unfortunately. People know Intel, Nvidia and AMD, but not many people know TSMC. TSMC can do whatever they want in the background while the first three absorb all the hate.
 

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Let me start with 7900XT:

738€ for 6800XT vs 1286€ for 7900XT right here right now (lowest local price this moment).

142 FPS average at 1440p vs 184 FPS by TPU review.

So over 74% more money for under 30% more FPS

This is very unfair manipulation. Price one thing in an absurd way, so the other still heavily overpriced looks somewhat "decent value".

I don't think they will, unfortunately. People know Intel, Nvidia and AMD, but not many people know TSMC. TSMC can do whatever they want in the background while the first three absorb all the hate.

All will absorb the hate. Vote with your wallet!

I think I will cancel my intention to have an RX 7900 XT 20 GB as long as it stays over 600 bucks which is the limit I will pay for this junk.
 
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