Intel Confirms LGA1851 is its Next Desktop CPU Socket

[xpredator_13]

Aha, I am running 5900X on B450! Oh, look! Intel has a new socket!

And I'm running a 5900x on a X370 Crosshair VI Extreme...going AM5 next year.

 

[Gica]

And I'm running a 5900x on a X370 Crosshair VI Extreme...going AM5 next year.

How many processors did you change?

 

[bonehead123]

Will intel be including large quantities of cookies (Famous Amos 4 me please) with this round of consumer milking ?

 

[xpredator_13]

How many processors did you change?

I got 1800x when it launched with the board, then 3950X and then 5900X. The long lasting socket was the reason i went AMD. I was tired of intel pushing new sockets every gen. It seems nothing has changed...

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I got 1800x when it launched with the board, then 3950X and then 5900X. The long lasting socket was the reason i went AMD. I was tired of intel pushing new sockets every gen. It seems nothing has changed...

So you spent twice as much buying multiple CPUs to get comparable performance to what intel would have given you out of the box. Geneus!

Coulda just bought a 8700k and rocked it for 6 years.

 

[xpredator_13]

So you spent twice as much buying multiple CPUs to get comparable performance to what intel would have given you out of the box. Geneus!

Coulda just bought a 8700k and rocked it for 6 years.

I had a 8700k prior 1800x. I play 1440p friend. Im happy with my upgrade path. To be scammed by artificial new socket is to be a real genius...

 

[AusWolf]

Personally I think it's not too bad with 3 processor ermm families? Coming to 1700 and if indeed the socket cooler compatibility remains the same and maybe also the retention plate thats not that bad imo

Personally, I'm not worried about socket changes. By the time any normal person upgrades their PC, they'll need a new motherboard anyway, whether on Intel, or AMD.

I'm just too used to seeing the usual two-generational socket changes from Intel. I used to wonder why, but by now, I've grown totally insensitive to the topic.

 

[Wirko]

Good question. Maybe it will use the new socket even though it's still just a raptor lake.

Intel could actually make LGA1851 CPUs backwards compatible with the LGA1700 socket if they wanted.

We have many reasons for hope, rrrright?

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I had a 8700k prior 1800x. I play 1440p friend. Im happy with my upgrade path. To be scammed by artificial new socket is to be a real genius...

I played 1440p and didnt need to upgrade that much. Im rocking a 9900k @5GHz at 4K.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Personally, I'm not worried about socket changes. By the time any normal person upgrades their PC, they'll need a new motherboard anyway, whether on Intel, or AMD.

I'm just too used to seeing the usual two-generational socket changes from Intel. I used to wonder why, but by now, I've grown totally insensitive to the topic.

Eh dont like the "any normal person" remark as to say those who dont are not normal and thus bad or something.

If we look at PCI-E speeds and how much it affects (read: not at all) the gpu performance, I think its not too illogical that given the option you just upgrade your cpu and leave the rest for what it is.

I have a 12600k now, now intention of upgrading anything but the gpu at some fucking point if someting good actually comes out by some miracle, but down the line an upgrade to a ermm 14? 900k would surely be a decent upgrade.

 

[xpredator_13]

I played 1440p and didnt need to upgrade that much. Im rocking a 9900k @5GHz at 4K.

I just upgraded because i am a video editor, more cores does help me to do my work. Got the 5900x because it was a hell of a deal (cheap af)

 

[trsttte]

Imagine buying a 3600 when it launched because it was very good and cost effective workhorse. 3 or 4 years down the line you have some money in your pocket so you buy a 5800 or 5900 on sale and get a major upgrade with little cost. That's what motherboard compatibility allows. It doesn't need to happen when a new cpu launches, but a couple years down the line budget users have the option to go for an entire new performance tear without spending as much money.

 

[xpredator_13]

Imagine buying a 3600 when it launched because it was very good and cost effective workhorse. 3 or 4 years down the line you have some money in your pocket so you buy a 5800 or 5900 on sale and get a major upgrade with little cost. That's what motherboard compatibility allows. It doesn't need to happen when a new cpu launches, but a couple years down the line budget users have the option to go for an entire new performance tear without spending as much money.

This is my point. The fact we can have a socket with more than 3 years maintaining compatibility is a huge plus!

 

[AusWolf]

Eh dont like the "any normal person" remark as to say those who dont are not normal and thus bad or something.

By "normal person" I mean someone who upgrades due to a need instead of a want. A non-enthusiast, if you will.

If we look at PCI-E speeds and how much it affects (read: not at all) the gpu performance, I think its not too illogical that given the option you just upgrade your cpu and leave the rest for what it is.

It's not illogical at all, but the question is, what do you gain by a CPU upgrade? Unless you're skipping at least 3-4 generations, not a lot. And by then, you'll need a motherboard on any platform.

I mean, you can measure the 10-20% difference between generations in benchmarks, but do you actually feel it?

 

[chrcoluk]

Always the same song and dance with Intel, move the notches, maybe change some pins and give it a new name, god dammit!

But with boards half the price not necessarily worse, depends how often one upgrades their chip.

If you upgrading every 3-4 years like the industry average, then intel probably works out cheaper.

 

[ZoneDymo]

By "normal person" I mean someone who upgrades due to a need instead of a want. A non-enthusiast, if you will.


It's not illogical at all, but the question is, what do you gain by a CPU upgrade? Unless you're skipping at least 3-4 generations, not a lot. And by then, you'll need a motherboard on any platform.

I mean, you can measure the 10-20% difference between generations in benchmarks, but do you actually feel it?

Well sure but again, that is a whole debate on how people spend their money, upgrading gpu's every year or bi-yearly or less, what is wise? what does the person want? is this their hobby? well then who cares etc etc.

But as per my example, if you buy a lower end cpu first with a decent motherboard and ram, like a 12400f or so, that is affordable and perfectly fine, upgrading later to a 2 generations newer cpu with more cores, that can be quite significant for for example games by then, RT benefits from more cores so maybe by then that would be all you need to get a solid system again.

but ultimately personally I dont care, I tend to do waaay longer with my hardware anyway.

 

[Gica]

I got 1800x when it launched with the board, then 3950X and then 5900X. The long lasting socket was the reason i went AMD. I was tired of intel pushing new sockets every gen. It seems nothing has changed...

Agreed, you have some advantages, but also some disadvantages.
Let me explain myself. You say that you left the 1800X, so also the 300 series motherboard. The 400 series is excluded because it was launched with the more powerful 2700X, plus the cheaper 8700K as a variant.
1. Can you get everything out of a PCIe 4.0 SSD beast?
2. Can you get everything out of an RX 6000/RTX3000 or better performance video card?
3. Do you have the features of the 500 series motherboards (IO ports, etc.)?
You changed three processors, all very expensive at launch, for what? Save a $100-150 motherboard? I can do this by reducing the consumption of soft drinks in 3-4 months.

 

[Carlyle2020hs]

Soo 95 is the new 65 and 6 ist the new 8, got it.

 

[Minus Infinity]

This is my point. The fact we can have a socket with more than 3 years maintaining compatibility is a huge plus!

Yep, just fitted a 3700X to my old X370 MB. Noticeably faster than my 1700X in everything. AM5 socket will probably be used for Zen 6. Still I only upgrade every 4-5 years, so RL on Z690 would do me fine until Luna/Nova Lake come along.

 

[eidairaman1]

Threadripper Pro Here I come

 

[AusWolf]

Well sure but again, that is a whole debate on how people spend their money, upgrading gpu's every year or bi-yearly or less, what is wise? what does the person want? is this their hobby? well then who cares etc etc.

That's why I specified which kind of buyer I'm talking about. PC building is definitely my hobby, and I buy loads more hardware than I need, but for that reason I don't qualify myself as a "normal" or "average" buyer. I wouldn't suggest anyone to do what I do, either, as 9 out of 10 people consider it a waste of money. There's a lot more people out there who only buy PC stuff when they need to because they don't care about hardware itself, they just want to play games with little to no fuss - they're the ones I was talking about.

But as per my example, if you buy a lower end cpu first with a decent motherboard and ram, like a 12400f or so, that is affordable and perfectly fine, upgrading later to a 2 generations newer cpu with more cores, that can be quite significant for for example games by then, RT benefits from more cores so maybe by then that would be all you need to get a solid system again.

With that example, you can also buy the 12400F now, and a used 12900K or a 13900K later, and it will be a huge jump. The difference between that and a 14900K won't be so big.

 

[AhmadMZ99]

i though the up coming socket will be a LGA1800
so the tick tock cycle still in action with intel, 1 socket for every 2 gen cpus

 

[marios15]

Agreed, you have some advantages, but also some disadvantages.
Let me explain myself. You say that you left the 1800X, so also the 300 series motherboard. The 400 series is excluded because it was launched with the more powerful 2700X, plus the cheaper 8700K as a variant.
1. Can you get everything out of a PCIe 4.0 SSD beast?
2. Can you get everything out of an RX 6000/RTX3000 or better performance video card?
3. Do you have the features of the 500 series motherboards (IO ports, etc.)?
You changed three processors, all very expensive at launch, for what? Save a $100-150 motherboard? I can do this by reducing the consumption of soft drinks in 3-4 months.

That's 200$ per motherboard upgrade.
So 400$ saved.
Then the 5900X came for 100% free after he reduced consumption of soft drinks for 3-4 months.

Now do the same with my low budget broke setup.

MSI b350 mortar in 2018
2200g
3600 RAM in 2021
5600G in 2022

No dGPU

Almost anyone with an AMD system from 2017+ can upgrade up to 5950X.
What can the 7700K and 8700K motherboard owners upgrade to?

Oh right, only rich people buy intel
Stop defending planned obsolescence.

 

[tussinman]

Personally, I'm not worried about socket changes. By the time any normal person upgrades their PC, they'll need a new motherboard anyway, whether on Intel, or AMD.

I'm just too used to seeing the usual two-generational socket changes from Intel. I used to wonder why, but by now, I've grown totally insensitive to the topic.

Yeah not trying to start a fanboy war but Intel can get away with it since the CPUs are so fast for most normal applications. Look at 2017 era LGA1151 for example. Was faster than Zen, Zen+, and Zen2. Even Zen 3 (which was phased out almost 5 years after 1151 release) the i7s for that socket weren't that much slower than the $300 midrange Zen 3

Same thing is happening with LGA 1700 right now. Faster than Zen 3, faster than Zen 4. Where still 2 more years away from Zen 5 and even then, I doubt the performance increase is even worthy of an upgrade over raptor lake. So where talking what like 2025/2026 by the time there's something even worthwhile to upgrade too? (That doesn't fit the narrative people spew of if you go intel and are platform locked your quickly getting left behind performance wise)

It's also a double edge sword, they'll rip intel for "only 2 generations of cpus" but at the same time give them absolutely zero credit for currently having a modern sub $200 bracket, having cheaper motherboards, and allowing DDR4.

With that example, you can also buy the 12400F now, and a used 12900K or a 13900K later, and it will be a huge jump. The difference between that and a 14900K won't be so big.

Exactly. People act like if your platform locked your hosed but in reality, it might be 2025-2026 by the time there's actually a CPU worthwhile of ditching LGA 1700

 

[efikkan]

Half this thread is just spam.
If you're not going to be serious, at least bring some humor, like sepheronx did.

Gamers don't need 6+ P cores. I'll trade 2 cores for DDR5-12000

Very few workloads scale well beyond 6 threads, except for batch-like jobs. But nearly every load scales better on faster cores vs. more cores, not to mention, makes applications much more responsive.

If it turns out to be true that this generation maxes out at 6 P-cores, and the cores are significantly faster, then we can expect a lot of people complain about this being a step backwards, but they will change their mind when they see the results.