Rumour that MX500 now has QLC variants?

[chrcoluk]

Here is some info. Also increasing stories on reddit for failures. I wonder if reviews should start saying "correct only at time of publication".

 

[eidairaman1]

Here is some info. Also increasing stories on reddit for failures. I wonder if reviews should start saying "correct only at time of publication".

So what is Crucial's SLC units?

Here is some info. Also increasing stories on reddit for failures. I wonder if reviews should start saying "correct only at time of publication".

Can you provide a link to that table please.

 

[chrcoluk]

I only have the image link itself as I got it from another forum.

https://theoverclockingpage.files.wordpress.com/2022/07/variantes.png

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

@GabrielLP14 might want to see this...

 

[eidairaman1]

I only have the image link itself as I got it from another forum.

https://theoverclockingpage.files.wordpress.com/2022/07/variantes.png

Id put a rumor disclaimer on it coming from another forum.

 

[chrcoluk]

Here I will post the reddit link also as the guy has 900 samples, which is a decent amount.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/whr5ek

Id put a rumor disclaimer on it coming from another forum.

It has a question mark on the title. So its not been presented as fact. But I edited the title to make it clearer its a discussion about a rumour thanks.

 

[MachineLearning]

@GabrielLP14 , @Wooden Law - Black , @Maxx may be interested in this. This is the first I've heard of QLC MX500's. Wonder if they will end up using the new 232-layer TLC eventually and mix that in randomly.

 

[GabrielLP14]

Here is some info. Also increasing stories on reddit for failures. I wonder if reviews should start saying "correct only at time of publication".

Oh that's my sheet haha, i did it when i reviewed my Crucial MX500 1TB when i bought it from Aliexpress.

i Wrote the review, yes there are QLC Variants, although all i could find were from reports from buyers from Aliexpress, i had encounters many MX500 from my country's stores and all had TLC dies, but some variants coming from Aliexpress had QLC variants indeed, a friend of mine had one with N48R dies

@GabrielLP14 , @Wooden Law - Black , @Maxx may be interested in this. This is the first I've heard of QLC MX500's. Wonder if they will end up using the new 232-layer TLC eventually and mix that in randomly.

They'll probably switch in the near future, but so far they'll keep using 176-L

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

i Wrote the review, yes there are QLC Variants, although all i could find were from reports from buyers from Aliexpress, i had encounters many MX500 from my country's stores and all had TLC dies, but some variants coming from Aliexpress had QLC variants indeed, a friend of mine had one with N48R dies

All of the variants I could find in TPU's database were TLC. Do you anticipate adding the QLC variants?

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

It seems that it is getting harder and harder to find good (new) SATA drives. This is why I decided to look for older used models instead (literally just installed a 2016 X300 (256 GB) in my 645 G1, purchased for $18 on eBay from a used parts dealer).

 

[GabrielLP14]

All of the variants I could find in TPU's database were TLC. Do you anticipate adding the QLC variants?

Yes i'll add them in the near future, currently travelling at the moment

 

[chrcoluk]

It seems that it is getting harder and harder to find good (new) SATA drives. This is why I decided to look for older used models instead (literally just installed a 2016 X300 (256 GB) in my 645 G1, purchased for $18 on eBay from a used parts dealer).

I think probably the best way. SATA is starting to look like a dumping ground for junk tier now. Can even find old gen new parts as well from old stock.

Oh that's my sheet haha, i did it when i reviewed my Crucial MX500 1TB when i bought it from Aliexpress.

i Wrote the review, yes there are QLC Variants, although all i could find were from reports from buyers from Aliexpress, i had encounters many MX500 from my country's stores and all had TLC dies, but some variants coming from Aliexpress had QLC variants indeed, a friend of mine had one with N48R dies


They'll probably switch in the near future, but so far they'll keep using 176-L

If you consider the info valid, I can change the topic title. Thanks for popping into the thread.

 

[GabrielLP14]

I think probably the best way. SATA is starting to look like a dumping ground for junk tier now. Can even find old gen new parts as well from old stock.


If you consider the info valid, I can change the topic title. Thanks for popping into the thread.

i'm glad i could help

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

It would appear only the 2Tb and 4Tb are qlc now, where are the 1tb and below are still tlc, at least for now.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Boy, it looks like the MX500 is cruising for the banhammer!

Especially the janky-looking one that I had, where the life percentage plunged rapidly!

 

[GabrielLP14]

It would appear only the 2Tb and 4Tb are qlc now, where are the 1tb and below are still tlc, at least for now.

damn

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
On sell at amazon again 2tb for 132.us
mx-500

 

[Wirko]

Wonder if they will end up using the new 232-layer TLC eventually and mix that in randomly.

Micron's fastest die seems like a bad fit for a slow SATA SSD, it's destined for PCIe 5.0 M.2 SSDs like this prototype reviewed at Tom's.

 

[ThrashZone]

Boy, it looks like the MX500 is cruising for the banhammer!

Especially the janky-looking one that I had, where the life percentage plunged rapidly!

Hi,
Thought the bad ones were the BX series

Sure glad i didn't jump on the amazon sell that was and still is going on

 

[GerKNG]

i had MX500s from a couple years ago and a few from last year.
the old ones had over 60TB written (1TB Variant) and still 99% "drive health"
the new ones are at ~ 5TB and are already at 91%. i sold them all and stick to high end NVMe.
SATA Drives are only a thing because SATA exists. it's extremely outdated and they probably cost more to make since they have to use good ICs and cripple them down to a 600MB/s interface. and they need a larger PCB, Connectors and a 2.5" shell.

i am not surprised that they make them QLC now (or in the future)

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

i had MX500s from a couple years ago and a few from last year.
the old ones had over 60TB written (1TB Variant) and still 99% "drive health"
the new ones are at ~ 5TB and are already at 91%. i sold them all and stick to high end NVMe.
SATA Drives are only a thing because SATA exists. it's extremely outdated and they probably cost more to make since they have to use good ICs and cripple them down to a 600MB/s interface. and they need a larger PCB, Connectors and a 2.5" shell.

i am not surprised that they make them QLC now (or in the future)

What's funny is your old one uses the 64 layer nand where the new ones have been updated to 96, 112, and even 176 layers nand yet somehow they are worse

Micron's fastest die seems like a bad fit for a slow SATA SSD, it's destined for PCIe 5.0 M.2 SSDs like this prototype reviewed at Tom's.

Yeah, i was surprised to see they updated the latest batch of mx500 with 176 layer nand, like that seems diminishing returns but a welcome upgrade, even Samsung 870 Evo is only 112 layers

Boy, it looks like the MX500 is cruising for the banhammer!

Especially the janky-looking one that I had, where the life percentage plunged rapidly!

Only Samsungs drives have not been tampered with secretly without consumer knowledge, their drives are as reliable as the day they launched, sure they're priced like ass, but sadly this is what you should be prepared to pay for peace of mind

It seems that it is getting harder and harder to find good (new) SATA drives. This is why I decided to look for older used models instead (literally just installed a 2016 X300 (256 GB) in my 645 G1, purchased for $18 on eBay from a used parts dealer).

Samsungs are a safe option

Yes i'll add them in the near future, currently travelling at the moment

Please consider adding more classic SanDisk sata drives to the database , like the extreme pro, ultra 3d, and ssd plus, they were popular at the time

 

[mb194dc]

Here I will post the reddit link also as the guy has 900 samples, which is a decent amount.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/whr5ek

It has a question mark on the title. So its not been presented as fact. But I edited the title to make it clearer its a discussion about a rumour thanks.

The original MX500 had a problem with the controller causing accelerated wear. I've got 4 in a raid 10 array and had to swap them quite frequently due to them reaching endurance after only a year or 18 months.

This is at a data centre and all the MX500 on original firmware lineage and controller I've seen have the issue. Definitely not a good drive.

There's another forum thread here about it, posted in it many times.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Only Samsungs drives have not been tampered with secretly without consumer knowledge, their drives are as reliable as the day they launched, sure they're priced like ass, but sadly this is what you should be prepared to pay for peace of mind

Samsung 870 EVO - Beware, certain batches prone to failure!

Could samsung be engaging in a little planned obsolescence in their SSD designs? So these failures aren't so much a design flaw as a design feature?

www.techpowerup.com

 

[P4-630]

Samsung refusing to acknowledge and replace 990 Pro SSD with rapid health drops [Update]

Multiple users around the web, including myself, have found that the 990 Pro, the latest and fastest consumer SSD currently, might actually have an issue with the reported drive health remaining.

www.neowin.net

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Alright, then buy hard drives because 3% of ssd inventory is prone to failure And lets totally forget they come with 5 year warranty