No he is right. Nvidia didn't dropped prices on cheaper 3000 models, only on expensive ones. Nvidia droped prices only on 3090/Ti and tech press was celebrating with "Nvidia dropped prices" articles creating the misleading impression that prices dropped on all models. AMD did price drops across the line, tech press relegated those to footnotes, while people kept buying Nvidia cards.
The environment is so toxic, so monopolistic, so favoring to Nvidia, that Nvidia, controlling 90% of the market, has no real reasons to drop prices. Intel is still far behind to become a factor, AMD still doesn't seem to be very excited about the GPU market and probably they are more concern about AM5. Both Intel and AMD will gain long term if Nvidia does all the necessary work to establish higher prices in the retail GPU market. Also I doubt OEMs pay these prices. Nvidia advertises 4070 Ti at $800, but what is Dell for example pay to get one? $800? $700? $600? $500? Those high prices are beneficial for every company out there making gaming equipment, just not for consumers. MS and SONY can price their next gen consoles higher, Valve and others building gaming handheld devices, also, Dell that I will use again as an example, buy a 4070 Ti from Nvidia at, let's say $600 and price it at $700, making it's prebuild PCs look like bargains and of course AMD and Intel price their own offering higher. While they will sell less stuff, they will achieve higher profit margins and if TSMC doesn't have enough capacity for everyone, selling less stuff at higher profit margins, is crucial. Nvidia also looks more at AI, roboticks and stuff today than gaming, AMD is concentrating more in servers while it still has an advantage there, as for Intel, they build GPUs out of necessity, not to make gamers happy.
Cheap GPUs are dead. We already witnessed the death of sub $100 GPUs those last years, for sub $200 we only got the laptop RX 6500XT and then the beta A380 and finally the abysmal insult in the form of an old arch GTX 1630. Under $300 we only have one good option, the RX 6600 that no one buys, because it doesn't have an Nvidia logo on it. Instead they buy the RTX 3050. Go figure....
Nvidia dropping prices? Why?
The thing is though, they don't, it's just people keep trying to claim everyone is buying those. Partly this is because most people buy prebuilts, and nVidia still hasn't managed to F up their contracts (yet) with all the SIs and major brick and mortar stores so every piece of crap prebuilt has got a 1060 or 1650 or 3060 or something like that in it, no matter how bad the hardware actually is nor how outrageous the prices. Like, tf you think I'd pay that much for a 1650 Max-Q? Hell, Craigslist is hysterical or sad though, not sure which, I saw somebody trying to sell no joke a RX 460 2gb system "bought new from Best Buy never opened" with some other garbage hardware for $700. This on the same page someone's selling a used 2080ti for under $400.
I think it's that the megacorpos just love ignorance, hell Capitalistic excess generally favours NPCs, the ignorant, the impulsive, the most childlike creature imaginable to be useless at anything than being a consumer drone, a cheap biorobot worker, and expendable canon fodder (the rest gets shipped to private schools to be the middle-management biorobots). So it's even more obvious to us in tech where we clearly can see the ripoff and are used to working with numbers, and these scumbag dirtbag corporations just pull literally the exact same sort of scammer from Mumbai "hello your PC is broken we need your Social Security number to unlock it from virus" crap on old people, kids, and NORPs that don't know better. And they try making it sound like computers are "really complicated" and they are not, you can easily teach yourself how to not get swindled, it's just they hold back some of the info and try playing 3 card shell games, like calling it "i7 with 8gb RAM" yeah single stick, not dual rank, lowest speed dustbin RAM with an ancient low-tier 9700 or something.
I'm so outraged by nuVidia I'm just not buying anymore. They became nuVidia at RTX frankly, it's embarrassing. Like they had their problems and always been a scumbag scammy company from the alleged GTX 1060 "3gb model" to 3.5gb of GTX 970, but at least Pascal and Maxwell were really good. They didn't even age poorly, no matter how much nuVidia wishes they did. This is because their dumb crap usually doesn't take off because no one wants to deal with them and their proprietary nonsense, so no one uses HairWorks for example can you imagine selling 1080tis purely on "it does HairWorks and AMD cannot"?? They try forcing the market to obsolesence more quickly but really, RTX can't even run RT natively, their bottom end SKUs also can't even run acceptable frames even with the smudgiest DLSS on. The alleged "RTX" 3050 should be a GTX 3050. But the real problem is lots and lots of morons too braindead to understand why a 3050 is a horrific deal at $400, it's literally slapped to s&%$ and thrown in a dumpster by the 5700XT, even 5600XT iirc.
I mean if we are going to use a GPUs memory bus width as a metric for GPU pricing, sure....i guess
I think the bigger deal is the fail across every conceivable metric, from pricing, to performance, to power consumption, hell to even memory bus and anything else you can think of. There's no reason to buy a Lovelace GPU at all. You'd have to be a moron or so completely misinformed you already spent your money like a simp and found this thread in like 2025. They SUCK. I think literally the last time nVidia released a generation so terrible was the GT 280? Wasn't that when they charged $650 for a card that AMD's top end HD something beat at $400, so they had to lower prices?
That's the problem--they not only refused to lower prices, they jacked it. I saw those TDPs long ago and was like "alright, AMD needs to not screw up basically or nVidia need to lower prices because I'm not paying that for something so inefficient I need a new PSU." Lo and behold, they not only jacked it, they jacked prices outrageously to literally scalper levels.
Stop giving nuVidia your money.
Too slow? if its anywhere close to RTX3090 performance at $799 that ain't that bad. RTX3080 MSRP was $699 and 4070ti will likely be faster.
12nm wafer costs roughly the same as 16nm since they are mostly the same thing.
Like this, why are any of you guys even rationalizing this, it's like watching heroin addicts and alcoholics trying to justify why dying in a gutter is a great life decision for them. Also the 3090 wasn't much better than a 3080, facts. Each time with nVidia lately it felt like paying $500 for 2.5% uplift. That's literally hitting margin of error where you can get that kind of performance by just cleaning out the dust from your GPU and repasting, or getting a different AIB model or something.
You know the funniest thing to me, is they also released such a terrible last few generations that not only people been having all kind performance problems due to dumb s--- like driver bloat, but even just going on Steam all the time it's "how come my 3080 gets such low frames" "hello why is my 3070 getting this problem" and you go through them and quickly realize people are like "I have RX 6800 and it just werks for me."
It amazes me how people quickly jump to justify every and any given NVIDIA price point. Doesn't matter how much the 4070 TI goes for (MSRP), you will always get people jumping on the YES-MERCHANT bandwagon and fight tooth and nail for these holy Nvidia revelations. If I was a shareholder or investor it would make sense but as a "consumer", yep just a barebone "consumer", it's difficult to digest the mid-ranged XX70 segment being hijacked with XXX-profiting. Not that i'm surprised.... seeing the exorbitant 4080 hitting the shelves no doubt the 4070~ was always destined to rip holes in the general consumers wallet (a pretty large portion of the consumer base). What is also inevitable is seeing the XX60/XX50 segments equally suffering from this greasy profit war machine and no doubt AMD will sadly follow.
Personally, i might just pull the trigger on one as I had stated previously i am willing to fork out $800 for a GPU (not a dime more).... but i expected way more for this sort of money and it's hardly an "exciting" buy for the monies worth. I feel for the guys on a budget... although most likely some will have a fat enough budget but just not cutting it nowadays with these rediculous post-pandemic pocket pinch price scheming. I dunno, might even give 40-series/RDNA3 a miss ... i'm just not feeling the "GPU" upgrade impulse nowadays (well since 30-series anyway). Closely trailing RDNA3 doesn't seem exciting either.... all PANTS if you ask me.
Looks like most gamers looking for a spectacular eye-candy gaming experience + snappy frame render will have to settle with less. I'm glad i kept the impulse at bay from moving to 4K... that would have sucked for me! 1440p it is for another 5 years or so it seems.
lmao
"I will pay the merchant $1299, but not a dime more!"
I wouldn't be willing to pay $600 for a 4070 super, period. I literally just skipped RTX 2070 super based on it being $500 minimum, EVGA models $570+ and meanwhile Radeon releases comparably performing $400 cards. "But it doesn't have raytracing!" So tell me then, was your DLSS 1.0 RT experience on that card really worth the extra $200? And it mined worse too. So it cost less on ebay even during the scalping.
That's what you are asking me to do. Is make my next upgrade be a card that at my targeted segment $500 was getting a bit steep, and going up to $600 I'm starting to expect xx80 performance. Considering the GTX 980 was $550, and not even all that long ago, and was a MUCH better made GPU, I don't find this to be terribly unreasonable to say "I'm not spending a dime more than $600 on a 70ti custom card and that's firm." And then that's also asking me to do it for a generation that's let's face, just plain sucks.
We all know it. It's literally a MEME. Like
honest to God joke GPU. It's a clowncarPU. And I can't even fit the stupid things in my case anyway, takes up 4 freaking slots so goodbye literally anything else (yes I do use those x1 and x8 slots btw) and requires a completely monstrous PSU, which is suddenly making my budget way outside the range of a thousand dollars because think about it:
as the average gamer, you are having, what, like $500 for GPU? Well let's think this way, you've got a new monitor in store too. Let's double that budget. You aren't going to magically have $500 appear from thin air in your account, but let's imagine you do. $1000 to play games at better visual quality. So let's say, $350 for monitor. That's $650 for GPU, now how much is that PSU going to cost? So suddenly, you've already dropped from being able to afford 3080 quality, to 3060ti quality at best. Meanwhile for that same cost you can get 6800XT quality for the same cost, because you don't have to get a bigger PSU.
That's why Lovelace is such a bad deal.
I mean really it's just s#@$ from every conceivable angle. The sole thing nuVidia accomplished was padding shareholder pockets and getting simps to cheer on their own robberies "yeah but it benefits shareholders so it's so smart!" Oh, and allegedly better performance, but when you slam that much additional power and it costs more, you really didn't advance at all, just expanded the range of halo products into more luxury price halo products. You could LN2 a 3080 and do the same thing more or less.
Just look at the pure raster numbers of this rip-off. It's not faster than 3090. Without DLSS to save it's arse it's an utter joke. It's a $599 pig dressed up with lipstick for $799. Even it it were 256bit bus and had 16GB just a lot less cuda cores than 4080, it shouldn't be more than $699.
This.
But again, this is part of a broader problem. It's like, if a guy is a heroin addict, he's stealing from people, stealing from friends, has a big criminal record, are we really going to spend that much time arguing how he ripped off grandma? It isn't even that he stole grandma's checkbook at that point. It's that Jensen has simply become so freaking brazen about it he's all but throwing a towel on the floor of jail cell "pick up my towel for me, bish." Jensen is openly daring you all to bend over, because he feels like he pushed up on you so much he can do literally anything to you he wants and you'll love him for it.
This is the point that you got it wrong, its true that pads serving VRAM, but due VRAM adequate cooling there is removed portion of heat this generated due the GPU too.
It was 100% NVIDIA's responsibility to think first and improve electronics design, instead regular people to become beta testers and search for solutions of their own.
NVIDIA is the one which got your money, and you should receive a trouble free product.
My advice to all, just be more careful about your choices from now and on.
Man...lol that's the problem, and again I cannot emphasize enough
these kind of things is why I hopped off nVidia's dik years ago and got an RDNA1 card instead. People gave the 5700XT so much shit (it deserved it on release, but became a dead horse meme as people realized it got fixed and was one of the best value cards of the pandemic) but really, that's a ~$400 card and meanwhile crickets when you bring up the nonstop issues of a $1200 GPU like the 2080ti. I mean, if I spent over a grand on a GPU, you damn well better work right from the box. Instead, somehow the 2080ti never got the meme status s%$* it rightfully deserved for being 5700XT release tier...and costing over a thousand dollars.
But it didn't end there, did it. Ampere was the same thing, all kinds of problems plagued that series of cards, right up to their halo products bursting into flames. 3090, not 4090, which also burst into flames apparently. POSCAPs was a big issue, they had bad drivers, I remember they actually downclocked the 3080 so hilariously became the anti-finewine of performing worse with drivers over time, because they couldn't stop its crashing otherwise.
It happens because nobody wants to hold nVidia accountable, and you'll notice the actual businessmen who make money not just play with toys all dropped nVidia. Apple, EVGA, Sony, Microsoft, nobody really wants to work with that company and this includes gamedevs. So I think it's even funnier thinking about this and realizing all that AAA gaming is being finetuned on AMD-only hardware, Xbox and PS5 take Ryzen processors and RDNA2 graphics cards, so I'm not sure what people are thinking buying these and trying to claim some AAA gimmick.
3x performance in 8 years with a relative increase in price is not an accomplishment. The GTX 980 Ti is an ancient graphics card at this point. If the market was anywhere close to healthy, you'd have $150 low-end graphics cards giving it a biblical spanking. But instead, anything below $200 cannot beat it in performance, only in power consumption. That's just sad!
Agreed, though, I'm unsure I can call either of the Navi 31 duo "settling". They perform very well, even if AD102 is ahead of the curve. It will be some time until games cannot run well on that.
Yeah see this guy also gets it, if you actually remembered the 1gb graphics cards being "huge" because we finally hit the gigabyte mark on VRAM...well, not really impressive lately per performance. We had something like this sorta with Fermi, but not even Fermi was anywhere near these TDPs and the 590 was like 365w. Meanwhile we have such pathetic things like GTX 1630 pricing, companies realizing they can sell literally anything and people will buy it. The same crap happened with scalping, because the mining farms set the new standard because it was a direct economic calculation of how much money can I make and how long will it take me to turn my investment from net loss into a monetary gain, that's why they cost like $2000 because you could still turn a profit at that mark. Meanwhile the occasional moron gamer would buy a GPU at these prices to play games on. But when you go "all the way back" to like 10 years ago, a GTX 980ti was a beast at 240w or whatever it was.
If you remember then you're also mentally comparing any card today to the GTX 980 for $550, both in terms of uplift as well as pricing. Same goes for GTX 980ti and GTX 1080ti, the two generations nVidia was undisputably good, before the dark times, before RTX. Every single year since then they've jacked prices and delivered far less. They've had even worse standards and all kinds of problems everywhere, poorer physical products (no $500+ card should have a plastic backplate, the 900 series was all metal backplates though to be fair, they started using more plastic shrouds there was a time when it was all metal) numerous bugs, I mean really nuVidia has zero room to try and poke fun at AMD when bugs-wise nuVidia's been a complete disaster. And it wouldn't even be such a big deal were it not the fact they're charging these ridiculously outrageous prices for a throttling inferno. Like, I can't even imagine paying $800 for a 70ti. That's insane. So, a 4070 is NOT in my plans, period. But the problem is AMD has no reason to set a 7700XT at "normal" $500> if people are stupid enough to buy an nVidia card. So it's like the same problem as people rewarding the scalpers, only now nVidia is the scalper.
Would I publicly shame a man for giving his money to a scalper?
Yes I would.
