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@lexluthermiester ,Hey man have You gave this tiny11 thingy spin or what .Just curious that is all .No pressure I know weekend when I see one :D
 
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The problem here is that some people get all upset about being spied on, when they've got zero clue what any of this tracking and telemetry data is, what it's used for, and who can see it -
Hi,
Not much can be said after this bit and yes define MS and it's partners because they all pay MS for user activity not to much different that websites adding google sludge like doubleclick/.... so they can track visitors only difference is we're talking about a computers os not a temporary website visit and the whom get the info well MS and their partners get MS to list them all :laugh:

Keyloggers are good for you I've read that on the internet so it must be true :cool:

11 so far is okay but it takes a lot of work to bend that way same goes for 10-8-8.1 though so nothing new.
 
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So... Here it would seem 11 is like 8 (not 8.1 to some) but 10 is like 7. Funny ah ha. Xp good Vista bad 7 awesome 8 terrible 8.1 a little better 10 like 7 and 11 still in the works = wth M$
 
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So... Here it would seem 11 is like 8 (not 8.1 to some) but 10 is like 7. Funny ah ha. Xp good Vista bad 7 awesome 8 terrible 8.1 a little better 10 like 7 and 11 still in the works = wth M$
Hi,
Think most that had issues with 8-8.1-10 and now 11 have used third party payware like start8 thur 11 and startallback or what ever it's called and of course the oldest freebie classic/ openshell to get rid of the most annoying aspects of ms's vision of progress :laugh:
Myself use a crapload of reg files and cmd stings and finally explorer patcher and winpaliter.

 
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I'm on Z690, I don't get it.... Expected Meltdown protected, also the button "enable" doesn't do anything..

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I'm on Z690, I don't get it.... Expected Meltdown protected, also the button "enable" doesn't do anything..

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it's probably just cause it's out of date and that is an unsupported cpu for this downloaded test. im pretty sure you are good with such a new chip.

that program was made a long ass time ago.
 
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That's what I expected right!
Iirc that stuff is now embedded on the chip and can be modified through microcode updates made by Intel and distributed via winupdate.
 
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@phanbuey can you check with this app?
 
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Hi,
The app dealt with windows updates not hardware fixes.
 
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The automatic time and date feature requires to know my location accurate enough to get the time zone done, so does that need to be disabled because its tracking you?
It's a form of user tracking, so yes. How many of us don't know what time-zone we're in or can't look up the current time? It's not something that needs to be automated.
The problem here is that some people get all upset about being spied on
For VERY good reason.
when they've got zero clue what any of this tracking and telemetry data is, what it's used for, and who can see it
Maybe not, but people like me do. You would likely be stunned how much data is collected about you. It's used to analyze who you are, what you do, look at, listen to, think about and where you go. Anyone can see that data if microsoft allows them access. And none of those things are acceptable.
and getting all upset with zero knowledge of the issue isn't some security moral high ground, it's base level paranoia and fear mongering
Having done government work in the past, which included user workstation audits, I know better than most that the data collected is VERY sensitive in nature. It is not paranoia or fear mongering. It is genuine alarm and concern over the near criminal levels of information companies like microsoft collect about people. It is unacceptable on EVERY level, but it's not the job or duty of the government to protect us, that is our own responsibility.

Trust is earned, not bestowed and microsoft has earned no trust whatsoever.

instead of trusting the guy who says "here run this tool to disable half your OS, i promise its safe wink wink" go get wireshark and track all the data yourself, and block shit in your router you have a problem with
Wireshark is a good tool, but it's not a solution. And just an FYI, your router can't watchdog Windows(or any other OS). I can only manage ports and IP addresses at worst and also protocols & packets if it's a better model. Most consumer level models do not offer fine-grained controls.

@lexluthermiester ,Hey man have You gave this tiny11 thingy spin or what .Just curious that is all .No pressure I know weekend when I see one :D
Oops, I'm sorry guys, busy week. How about I test it tonight and I'll chime back in a few hours?

you should never trust anything that does not come through the official channels.
Nonsense. There are plenty of things you can trust that come through unofficial channels. But one needs to be careful and that comes from know-how and experience.

Also, this;

@lexluthermiester ,Hey man have You gave this tiny11 thingy spin or what .Just curious that is all .No pressure I know weekend when I see one :D
Oops, I'm sorry guys, busy week. How about I test it tonight and I'll chime back in in a few hours?
Ok, it's installed and running well on 2GB of DDR3, single channel in a Dell Vostro V131 with an i3 2310M. Not shabby. It's been leaned down fairly dramatically from a stock ISO. Not as much as I do to my installs as it still has a few apps installed and still has WinDefender. Still, very lean and clean.

Folks, if you want a lean and clean Win11 that still has the Store app and WinDefender but will run on an older PC/Laptop, Tiny11 might be your ticket. The only way you'll know for sure is to try it out for yourself..

EDIT: I forgot to mention performance last night. Let's be fair, it's not not going to win any races. However, after spending time refining the install to my liking, I can say with complete confidence that it's a smooth experience and will make Win11 on older machines a reasonable endeavour.

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Same deal.

It's a pretty old app though, might be a compatibility issue.
Disable both. There are no known working exploits for either Meltdown or Spectre because they are INSANELY difficult to pull off. No average user is ever going to cross paths with such an attack. Even if someone does, the chances of success are less than 0.1% and only if someone is a complete moron and click things that should never be clicked.
 
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@lexluthermiester ,Hey man have You gave this tiny11 thingy spin or what .Just curious that is all .No pressure I know weekend when I see one :D
Just to be clear on how little this matters, I set up an older PC with a new 11 install yesterday

I7 4770, 2x8 (16GB) DDR3 1600, 1TB samsung QVO SSD and a 1660 super
With all updates and latest nvidia drivers installed it was idling at 2.2GB RAM usage - 11 is getting slimmer over time, it's user software and bloat (mobo software, and peripherals) that is making 11 a resource hog, not the OS itself


I tested again with an i5 3570k system, and got 1.8GB idle - i did *nothing* to debloat this OS.
This is just a PC i dont power on too often as i'm working on a cold-boot issue with it's GTX 970, so in this case the Nvidia driver didnt load (but the intel IGP did)
Windows itself has lowered its own requirements with updates, rather than these people screwing with shit they dont understand
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If i moved off windows defender it could be even less, it seems entirely plausible to get this under 1.5GB at idle with very little effort
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A lot of discussion about it overall - no updates, reduced security, and the people getting the really low ram usage had to disable more things (and they had crash issues and failed boots) - many of the screenshots are from the unstable attempts in a VM and not what an actual user would experience


So far no one from here has tried, and posted results at least
 
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A lot of discussion about it overall - no updates, reduced security, and the people getting the really low ram usage had to disable more things (and they had crash issues and failed boots) - many of the screenshots are from the unstable attempts in a VM and not what an actual user would experience


So far no one from here has tried, and posted results at least

I am thinking about trying it on my laptop at home to see how it runs, and yes I seen several having issues with anything from updates and so.

It would be nice if it works and Windows Defender/Security still works if it can go under the 4GB without much problems that could be nice.

I have before modded my own Windows 11 using the Tech Yes Man's guide and it works fine but some lower memory usage could be wonderful because there are a lot of BS in the system since LTSC ain't available yet.
 
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It would be nice if it works and Windows Defender/Security still works if it can go under the 4GB without much problems that could be nice.

I actually did install plain w11 on a poor students laptop with 4GB RAM recently. Albeit I put a fast NVME drive there as the original mSATA drive died, I actually didn't even notice at first that the anemic Lenovo laptop had only 4GB soldered on, I noticed it way after finishing install. It worked perfectly fine for two weeks for her as a daily driver and despite previously being on solid state drive she claimed that is like night a day difference now. I just scavenged at least some 8GB of RAM to put it in... that sucker laptop doesn't even support more than 12GB.

Basically the memory management really works fine, but I have a feeling it only applies if the storage for swap file is fast enough.
 

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It would be nice if it works and Windows Defender/Security still works if it can go under the 4GB without much problems that could be nice.
I posted a screenshot above that shows the OS uses around 2GB of ram - if what you're doing is under the remaining 2GB, you're totally fine.
 
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Aynone tried the Tiny11 version?


I can do very low memory

It should be build on 22H2
Link: https://archive.org/details/windows11tinyedition

I been thinking about trying it out
Um...
@lexluthermiester ,Hey man have You gave this tiny11 thingy spin or what .Just curious that is all .No pressure I know weekend when I see one :D
Oops, I'm sorry guys, busy week. How about I test it tonight and I'll chime back in a few hours?
Ok, it's installed and running well on 2GB of DDR3, single channel in a Dell Vostro V131 with an i3 2310M. Not shabby. It's been leaned down fairly dramatically from a stock ISO. Not as much as I do to my installs as it still has a few apps installed and still has WinDefender. Still, very lean and clean.

Folks, if you want a lean and clean Win11 that still has the Store app and WinDefender but will run on an older PC/Laptop, Tiny11 might be your ticket. The only way you'll know for sure is to try it out for yourself..

EDIT: I forgot to mention performance last night. Let's be fair, it's not not going to win any races. However, after spending time refining the install to my liking, I can say with complete confidence that it's a smooth experience and will make Win11 on older machines a reasonable endeavour.
There you go. It's pretty good. Very bare-bones and able to run well on a system with only 2GB of RAM.
 

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I posted a screenshot above that shows the OS uses around 2GB of ram - if what you're doing is under the remaining 2GB, you're totally fine.

I know even modded my own Windows 11 Pro tested on my laptop I can get it down to 1.8-2GB depending on what's running but still doesn't make it that fit for 4GB of ram.
 

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its 2023
if you don't have 16gb of ram you have no business being near a computer
and I agree while using tools like nlite and *XPE are nothing new
its usually just people fucking with shit they don't understand

contrary to what the arm chair of the internet will tell you accually want your os to use as much ram as possible
else you are wasting it
 
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Just to be clear on how little this matters, I set up an older PC with a new 11 install yesterday. I7 4770, 2x8 (16GB) DDR3 1600, 1TB samsung QVO SSD and a 1660 super. With all updates and latest nvidia drivers installed it was idling at 2.2GB RAM usage - 11 is getting slimmer over time, it's user software and bloat (mobo software, and peripherals) that is making 11 a resource hog, not the OS itself

I tested again with an i5 3570k system, and got 1.8GB idle - i did *nothing* to debloat this OS.
I think "W11 is getting slimmer" is overselling it. With some minor tweaking I can get 1.2GB idle from a 'stock' W10 22H2 ISO, all drivers (inc nVidia) installed and without crippling anything like the Windows Store, WinSxS, etc, in 3x separate Editions (Pro, Education & LTSC). Going "hardcore" in W10 LTSC 21H2 (no Windows Store) inc breaking UWP app functionality only knocks it down to around 1.0GB and isn't worth it. Same tweaks applied to W11 22H2 used 1.8GB so clearly that prettified UI (that I hate) has put on weight, and W11 isn't 'slim' at all compared to W7-10 (or mostly 0.6-1.0GB Linux). See also the virtually "flatlined" CPU and disk usage below vs your image earlier, so clearly a lot of 'shut the f*** up' telemetry disabling tweaks do work and very much are needed...
W10 22H2 Tweaked 1.2GB RAM.png

contrary to what the arm chair of the internet will tell you accually want your os to use as much ram as possible
A half truth. You want your OS disk cache using as much "Standby" RAM as possible as it means you can reopen recently closed applications lightning fast vs reading them "cold" each time. You certainly don't want a bloated OS using as much non cached RAM for itself, as it just leaves less for actual applications.
 
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