It's not AMDs fault. The way markets and humans work is there is always the desireable object and then the other object. The desriable object is the one people are going to get, regardless of actaul value, because it is desired. That desire factor makes it worth more, even if from a logical standpoint it is not. Being worth more makes it more desirable. This goes on and on and on and in the end it works out to "it costs more, because it costs more, that is enough justification and because it costs more everyone is going to buy it and avoid the other". This is the end result of higher end competition in everything.90% of gpu buyers buy nvidia even if they are more expensive, even if they perform a little worst, even if they are consume a little more power, so how is this news? if you throw a rock in the air, the changes of hitting a nvidia gpu buyer over amd is very high? there are reasons for it and most of it amd's own fault. how is this even related to the vram issue?
damn, these arguments over and over again.
good GPU costs as second a hand carlets end it here
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System Name | Main |
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Processor | 5700X |
Motherboard | MSI B450M Mortar |
Cooling | Corsair H80i v2 |
Memory | G.SKILL Ripjaws V 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4-3600MHz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 3060 Ti VENTUS 2X OC 8GB GDDR6X |
Display(s) | LG 32GK850G |
Case | NOX HUMMER ZN |
Power Supply | Seasonic GX-750 |
I bought a car 1250€ (in ~2006) and it still runs great!What? An RTX 4090 is 1600 bucks. A used car of a common non absurd model, Honda Accord, is 16000-28000 bucks.
System Name | His & Hers |
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Processor | R7 5800X/ R7 7950X3D Stock |
Motherboard | X670E Aorus Pro X/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero |
Cooling | Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum |
Memory | Trident Z5 Neo 6000/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk |
Video Card(s) | Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 |
Storage | lots of SSD. |
Display(s) | A whole bunch OLED, VA, IPS..... |
Case | 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X |
Audio Device(s) | Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B |
Power Supply | Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero. |
Keyboard | Logitech - G915 LIGHTSPEED / Logitech G Pro |
I bought a car 1250€ (in ~2006) and it still runs great!
System Name | Main |
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Processor | 5700X |
Motherboard | MSI B450M Mortar |
Cooling | Corsair H80i v2 |
Memory | G.SKILL Ripjaws V 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4-3600MHz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 3060 Ti VENTUS 2X OC 8GB GDDR6X |
Display(s) | LG 32GK850G |
Case | NOX HUMMER ZN |
Power Supply | Seasonic GX-750 |
A lot happens in 17 years you know. I'm not in the market for a 4090 because my best judgment won't allow it, not my wallet.If you spent 1200 on a car you shouldn't be in the market for a 4090 so what does it matter.
System Name | His & Hers |
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Processor | R7 5800X/ R7 7950X3D Stock |
Motherboard | X670E Aorus Pro X/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero |
Cooling | Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum |
Memory | Trident Z5 Neo 6000/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk |
Video Card(s) | Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 |
Storage | lots of SSD. |
Display(s) | A whole bunch OLED, VA, IPS..... |
Case | 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X |
Audio Device(s) | Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B |
Power Supply | Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero. |
Keyboard | Logitech - G915 LIGHTSPEED / Logitech G Pro |
A lot happens in 17 years you know. I'm not in the market for a 4090 because my best judgment won't allow it, not my wallet.
Processor | AMD Ryzen™ 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASRock B450M Pro4-F R2.0 |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer A35 |
Memory | Lexar Thor 32GB 3733Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | PURE AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT 16GB |
Storage | Lexar NM790 2TB + Lexar NS100 2TB |
Display(s) | HP X34 UltraWide IPS 165Hz |
Case | XPG Starker AIR |
Audio Device(s) | Airpulse SM200 + Volt 1 |
Power Supply | Cougar GEX 750 |
Mouse | Cooler Master MM730 |
Keyboard | Krux Atax PRO Gateron Yellow |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
System Name | Main |
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Processor | 5700X |
Motherboard | MSI B450M Mortar |
Cooling | Corsair H80i v2 |
Memory | G.SKILL Ripjaws V 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4-3600MHz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 3060 Ti VENTUS 2X OC 8GB GDDR6X |
Display(s) | LG 32GK850G |
Case | NOX HUMMER ZN |
Power Supply | Seasonic GX-750 |
The 1060 matched the 980 and had 2 extra GB of VRAMThe sweet truth if you take away all marketing bias RTX 4070 is the worst price/performance **70 card of all times. In reality this card is much more like **60 card in terms of raw specs.
GTX 970 - 329eur +43% performance increase
GTX 1070 - 449eur +62% performance increase
RTX 2070 - 499eur +40% performance increase
RTX 3070 - 499eur +50% performance increase
RTX 4070 - 599eur +27% performance increase
System Name | ✨ Lenovo M700 [Tiny] |
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Cooling | ⚠️ 78,08% N² ⌬ 20,95% O² ⌬ 0,93% Ar ⌬ 0,04% CO² |
Audio Device(s) | ◐◑ AKG K702 ⌬ FiiO E10K Olympus 2 |
Mouse | ✌️ Corsair M65 RGB Elite [Black] ⌬ Endgame Gear MPC-890 Cordura |
Keyboard | ⌨ Turtle Beach Impact 500 |
The problem isn't the 6phase VRM but lack of screws to create sufficient cooler pressure on the VRM. The card basically sagged itself to those insane temps because the cooler doesnt have enough screw points.
System Name | Yes |
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Processor | E5-2690 v4 |
Motherboard | VEINEDA X99 |
Video Card(s) | 2080 Ti |
Storage | NE-512 KingSpec |
Display(s) | G27Q |
Case | DAOTECH X9 |
Power Supply | SF450 |
The sweet truth if you take away all marketing bias RTX 4070 is the worst price/performance **70 card of all times. In reality this card is much more like **60 card in terms of raw specs.
GTX 970 - 329eur +43% performance increase
GTX 1070 - 449eur +62% performance increase
RTX 2070 - 499eur +40% performance increase
RTX 3070 - 499eur +50% performance increase
RTX 4070 - 599eur +27% performance increase
Coil whine is not determend by the size of the VRM. The MSI Suprim is one of the loudest 4090 in coil while and has the biggest VRM.Overall a card with more VRM's will be the better deal in the long run, even if it costs a little bit more.![]()
There are Supermicro servergrade boards for 24/7 use with a ~200W CPU and only 5 phase VRM, which has a heatsink that is smaller then your finger.This is a scaring point. Manufacturers have been “forced” by Nvidia to keep some cards at MSRP, with no many weeks of notice. So it’s possible that some cut some corners on the card. The GPU doesn’t require much power, but a 6-phase power stage is a very cheap solution even for 200W.
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
Video Card(s) | ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition |
Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
I don't personally care what they are making per 4070 be it 50 usd or 300 usd, at it's 600 usd price point at the very least it should have a better pcb.
Sure the FE cooler is nice and likely expensive but but 4070s should have at the very least better pcbs and nvidia should allow enough margin for their aib partners to not have to cut corners.
As much as I wish all the current generation gpus were cheaper that isn't our current reality.
Relatively speaking at 1440p this card has the best price/performance of any current generation card which is kinda sad.
Still at 600 usd we should expect better
So technically everything released has been the fanboy edition depending on what camp you're in.
System Name | Auriga |
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Processor | Ryzen 7950X3D w/ aquacomputer cuplex kryos NEXT with VISION - acrylic/nickel |
Motherboard | Asus ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI + Intel X520-DA2 NIC |
Cooling | Alphacool Res/D5 Combo •• Corsair XR7 480mm + Black Ice Nemesis 360GTS radiators •• 7xNF-A12 chromax |
Memory | 96GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB (F5-6400J3239F48GX2-TZ5RK) |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X w/ Bykski waterblock |
Storage | 2TB inland TD510 Gen5 ••• 4TB WD Black SN850X ••• 40TB UNRAID NAS |
Display(s) | Alienware AW3423DWF (3440x1440, 10-bit @ 145Hz) |
Case | Thermaltake Core P8 |
Power Supply | Corsair AX1600i |
Mouse | Razer Viper V2 Pro (FPS games) + Logitech MX Master 2S (everything else) |
Keyboard | Keycult No2 rev 1 w/Amber Alps and TX stabilizers on a steel plate. DCS 9009 WYSE keycaps |
Software | W11 X64 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/c3rxw7 |
this is true. i have friends in south america who asked me to buy and ship GPUs to them back in december. i offered them 6800XTs that were available for $475 at the time. there were also 6950XTs for $650. but they both DEMANDED nvidia GPUs. i ended up buying an asus 3070ti tuf for $560 and an MSI 12GB rtx 3080 for $710 as per their request. they didn't want to hear about anything "radeon".90% of gpu buyers buy nvidia even if they are more expensive, even if they perform a little worst, even if they are consume a little more power, so how is this news? if you throw a rock in the air, the changes of hitting a nvidia gpu buyer over amd is very high? there are reasons for it and most of it amd's own fault. how is this even related to the vram issue?
damn, these arguments over and over again.
Processor | Intel® Core™ i7-13700K |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | 32GB(2x16) DDR5@6600MHz G-Skill Trident Z5 |
Video Card(s) | ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3080 AMP Holo |
Storage | 2TB SK Platinum P41 SSD + 4TB SanDisk Ultra SSD + 500GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD |
Display(s) | Acer Predator X34 3440x1440@100Hz G-Sync |
Case | NZXT PHANTOM410-BK |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi Titanium PCIe |
Power Supply | Corsair 850W |
Mouse | Logitech Hero G502 SE |
Software | Windows 11 Pro - 64bit |
Benchmark Scores | 30FPS in NFS:Rivals |
RTX 3080 10GB MSRP: $700This card is DOA (dead on arrival). It's slower than a 3080, for more price....
Considering it's a generation leap, this should have been priced at a ~350$ and marketed as an RTX 4060 (Ti). No way this garbage is a 4070 card.
System Name | His & Hers |
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Processor | R7 5800X/ R7 7950X3D Stock |
Motherboard | X670E Aorus Pro X/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero |
Cooling | Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum |
Memory | Trident Z5 Neo 6000/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk |
Video Card(s) | Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 |
Storage | lots of SSD. |
Display(s) | A whole bunch OLED, VA, IPS..... |
Case | 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X |
Audio Device(s) | Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B |
Power Supply | Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero. |
Keyboard | Logitech - G915 LIGHTSPEED / Logitech G Pro |
RTX 3080 10GB MSRP: $700
RTX 4070 12GB MSRP: $600
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What PC gamer with an IQ north of a turnip would purchase the 4070 for gaming at 4K when they could save themselves the money and purchase a console for their whopping 60 FPS.Here you go with your same two graphs again at least you're predictable i guess
He's obviously talking about 4k and anyone who doesn't expect a 600+ dollar product to not perfom better than a 2.5 year old card that only MSRP for 100 usd higher is a blatant fanboy.
This is the worst 70 class product in the history of 70 class profucts well maybe the 70ti is worse I guess but it's debatable.
System Name | His & Hers |
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Processor | R7 5800X/ R7 7950X3D Stock |
Motherboard | X670E Aorus Pro X/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero |
Cooling | Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum |
Memory | Trident Z5 Neo 6000/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk |
Video Card(s) | Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 |
Storage | lots of SSD. |
Display(s) | A whole bunch OLED, VA, IPS..... |
Case | 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X |
Audio Device(s) | Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B |
Power Supply | Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero. |
Keyboard | Logitech - G915 LIGHTSPEED / Logitech G Pro |
Let's pretend this is a tech site shall we. With that said what PC gamer with an IQ north of a turnip would purchase the 4070 for gaming at 4K when they could save themselves the money and purchase a console for their whopping 60 FPS.
Processor | Ryzen 5 5700x |
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Motherboard | B550 Elite |
Cooling | Thermalright Perless Assassin 120 SE |
Memory | 32GB Fury Beast DDR4 3200Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 3060 ti gaming oc pro |
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB, WD SN850x 1TB, plus some random HDDs |
Display(s) | LG 27gp850 1440p 165Hz 27'' |
Case | Lian Li Lancool II performance |
Power Supply | MSI 750w |
Mouse | G502 |
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | ASUS B550M-Plus WiFi II |
Cooling | Noctua U12A chromax.black |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3600Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Palit RTX 4080 GameRock OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + 980 Pro 2TB |
Display(s) | Asus XG35VQ |
Case | Asus Prime AP201 |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Gigaworks - Razer Blackshark V2 Pro |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Razer Viper |
Software | Windows 11 64bit |
It's not AMDs fault. The way markets and humans work is there is always the desireable object and then the other object. The desriable object is the one people are going to get, regardless of actaul value, because it is desired. That desire factor makes it worth more, even if from a logical standpoint it is not. Being worth more makes it more desirable. This goes on and on and on and in the end it works out to "it costs more, because it costs more, that is enough justification and because it costs more everyone is going to buy it and avoid the other". This is the end result of higher end competition in everything.
Processor | Intel i7 13900K |
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Motherboard | Asus ROG Strix Z690-E Gaming |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer II 360 |
Memory | 32 Gb Kingston Fury Renegade 6400 C32 |
Video Card(s) | PNY RTX 4080 XLR8 OC |
Storage | 1 TB Samsung 970 EVO + 1 TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus + 2 TB Samsung 870 |
Display(s) | Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQL1A + Samsung C24RG50 |
Case | Corsair 5000D Airflow |
Power Supply | EVGA G6 850W |
Mouse | Razer Basilisk |
Keyboard | Razer Huntsman Elite |
Benchmark Scores | 3dMark TimeSpy - 26698 Cinebench R23 2258/40751 |
Server grade boards are not necessarily good products.Coil whine is not determend by the size of the VRM. The MSI Suprim is one of the loudest 4090 in coil while and has the biggest VRM.
There are Supermicro servergrade boards for 24/7 use with a ~200W CPU and only 5 phase VRM, which has a heatsink that is smaller then your finger.
And I think even the most expensive 4070 would have a great margin at MSRP...
Agree.On topic:
the 4070 may lack of raw performance but it is and will be practically faster than the alternatives where matters.
The memory thing is not an issue.
All these cards will run out of juice before the vram becomes a problem.
Most of the transistors are being used in a stupid way, as in the part dedicated to AI/RT, the result is that the 3xxx series manages to do more with less transistors, in other words higher performance/transistor.To think that the transistors have more than doubled, 17400 vs 35800 B. But it's what it is, the price is 700 now - $350 in 2 years, that's 50 cents per day, so i don't care anymore.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | ASUS B550M-Plus WiFi II |
Cooling | Noctua U12A chromax.black |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3600Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Palit RTX 4080 GameRock OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + 980 Pro 2TB |
Display(s) | Asus XG35VQ |
Case | Asus Prime AP201 |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Gigaworks - Razer Blackshark V2 Pro |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Razer Viper |
Software | Windows 11 64bit |
Why focus on RT when everything else textures, geometry, physics is not equally realistic?
Processor | Ryzen 5600x |
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Memory | Crucial Ballistix |
Video Card(s) | RX 7900 XT |
Storage | SN850x |
Display(s) | Gigabyte M32U - LG UltraGear+ 4K 28" |
Case | Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |
Power Supply | Corsair RM650x (2021) |
I have to question how important realism is in a game with baby textures. Minecraft is indeed the best example. If you gave me the choice between a highly textured Minecraft with complex shapes (not everything a block) and the standard Minecraft with RTX, I would laugh at the idea of playing the current Minecraft.Because lighting is the most important factor to make a scene look realistic. Even one without any textures or a joke of textures like Minecraft.
Processor | Celeron G5905, I3 10100, I5 10400F, I7 10700F |
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Motherboard | Asrock H410, B460, B560, Gigabyte B560 |
Cooling | Zalman CNPS80G |
Memory | each System 16 or 32GB: Kingston 2666 CL12, 2933 CL14 |
Video Card(s) | Arc A380/A770, IGP |
Storage | SSD and some HDD |
Display(s) | Philips 24inch 1080p 165Hz IPS and 32 inch 1440p 165Hz VA |
Case | Antec, Corsair, Nanoxia |
Audio Device(s) | Different AVR, Speakers: Klipsch, Polk ..... |
Power Supply | FSP, Deepcool |
Mouse | Logitech G |
Keyboard | Logitech G |
Software | Win 10, Bodhi Linux, Deepin |
If u buy a wafer from TSMC et all u pay for the wafer and the node, not for transistors...To think that the transistors have more than doubled, 17400 vs 35800 B. But it's what it is, the price is 700 now - $350 in 2 years, that's 50 cents per day, so i don't care anymore.