Hot Temps for 5800X3D

Morgoth · Jan 29, 2023

RESERVOIR > PUMP > GPU > RESERVOIR > CPU > RESERVOIR > TOP RAD > FRONT RAD > RESERVOIR > PUMP

by the looks of that the CPU gets cooled with warm water that went past the GPU.... put a rad between it... or seperate loop or back to air

lawood · Feb 7, 2023

Just got the x3d.

80c after 10 minutes on cinebench with -20.

Cooled by the artic freezer duo 34.

Without -20, its more like 85c.

It's pulling 110 watts more or less.

Does this seem ok?

EDIT: I tightened he cooler a bit more, temps dropped around 5c. This always happens when I get a new cpu. :laugh:

But prime small ffts is a no go, instant 90c.

freeagent · Feb 7, 2023

She’s hot.

lawood · Feb 7, 2023

Yeah, prime 95 is off limits with this chip lol
Now I'm trying to automate the pb2 tuner software.
I'm pretty amazed atm, i dialed in -30 on all cores and corecycler is stable for 5 interactions. I will be doing much more testing but this is a promising start.

pf100 · Feb 12, 2023

tabascosauz said:
5800X was thermally the worst Zen 3 CPU.
5800X3D has even worse thermals. Expect straight to 90C for most all-core workloads. There is no comparing to other Ryzen 5000 CPUs (Ryzen 7000 maybe).

All of these people reporting 90c temps have something wrong with their cooling. I upgraded from a 5800x to a 5800x3d (a family member needed a cpu so I took the opportunity to upgrade) and if the x3d is hotter it isn't by much. With a noctua nh-d15s and CO -30 (kombo strike setting 3) I'm idling at 42c and I've never seen it go over 78c in multi core workloads like cinebench. In my hottest running game, battlefield 5, I'm running in the low 70's. I'm having zero problems with this cpu, and I'm running on air.

CamoGeko · Feb 12, 2023

Mine never breaks 75C with Deepcool AS500 + 2 Noctua NF-A15 HS fans and 75W PPT limit.

Something is wrong with your cooling if you're reaching 90C.

tabascosauz · Feb 12, 2023

pf100 said:
All of these people reporting 90c temps have something wrong with their cooling. I upgraded from a 5800x to a 5800x3d (a family member needed a cpu so I took the opportunity to upgrade) and if the x3d is hotter it isn't by much. With a noctua nh-d15s and CO -30 (kombo strike setting 3) I'm idling at 42c and I've never seen it go over 78c in multi core workloads like cinebench. In my hottest running game, battlefield 5, I'm running in the low 70's. I'm having zero problems with this cpu, and I'm running on air.

People have different ambient temps - a bunch of these threads in the past year have been with 30C+ ambients.
Different boards and even different BIOSes on same boards perform wildly differently as to Vcore and core power. 4303 BIOS on the Impact requires a very hefty -0.075V Vcore offset just to get to the same Vcore as 4006 BIOS, and still runs up to 5 degrees hotter at higher power.

It's already well-known that temp variances between CPU samples are not good. @ 2:40

CamoGeko said:
Mine never breaks 75C with Deepcool AS500 + 2 Noctua NF-A15 HS fans and 75W PPT limit.

Stock 5800X3D is around 110-120W. If you're already hitting 75C at 75W then I hate to break it to you but cooling needs work (assuming a sane 20-25C ambient). AS500 is a reasonably strong cooler. Most of it comes down to cooler contact and mounting.

pf100 · Feb 12, 2023

tabascosauz said:
Different boards and even different BIOSes on same boards perform wildly differently as to Vcore and core power. 4303 BIOS on the Impact requires a very hefty -0.075V Vcore offset just to get to the same Vcore as 4006 BIOS, and still runs up to 5 degrees hotter at higher power.
It's already well-known that temp variances between CPU samples are not good. @ 2:40

In that video he says with normal cooling you probably wouldn't notice a difference between the two cpu's and that he's going to look into it some more probably in another video. I mean, look at that pc, it's as small as possible with everything packed in so tight you couldn't slip a piece of paper between components. There's no way these cpu's should be hitting 90c with adequate cooling unless the voltage is too high, and if you're running in a very hot environment you need the best possible cooling at the lowest possible voltage no matter what cpu you're running. It sounds to me like motherboad makers are just kind of doing whatever they want when it comes to voltage. The fastest cpu's run hot, they just do. And for people to just plug it in without any thought to taking precautions for heat seems disingenuous to me.

H1o84 · Feb 14, 2023

Hello,

5800X3D aircooled (Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 3) with -25 on all Cores (no other changes).
When i stress (CPU-Z all Cores) the CPU for about 15 minutes, i maximum get to 75,3 °C (highest Value i ever had with this CPU / System).
[The AMD 1600X i had before was max ~ 66°C in the same System but with stock settings]

Motherboard: Asus CH VI (x370)
Power: 850 Watt be quiet! Dark Power 13
Case: Thermaltake Core X 5 (all sides mesh / Motherboard Horzontal - i hate this Vertical Mounting especially with the big CPU air Cooler and the heavy air cooled Graphic Cards).

The Deepcool AS500 is smaller then my Cooler, but with 75W PPT you should get better Temperatures i think.
How is the airflow in your System? Maybe you have additional °C by using a closed, small or full packed Case?

ZShinko · Feb 15, 2023

I don't know why it happens but my temps also maxed out at 90C when playing and only small random peaks that rarely occurs, If I stress test my CPU with benchmarks or stress tests I just can't get past 76C Max temp (pulling around 110 to 120W). All test done while benching the GPU aswell, to get a more accurate result.

Ambient temp: ~29/31C
Mobo: Asus PrimeX570-P
Case: LianLi O11 XL

Everything in a Custom loop with:
60mm thick 360 bottom rad (intake fans pull config) (EK)
30mm thick 360 top rad (exhaust push config) (Bykski)
3 more fans on the side as intake
1 fan exhaust on the back
PNY 4090 XLR8 with an alphacool waterblock (usually tops at 57C (never seen it higher) iddles aroun 31 and 35C)
Bykski CPU for the 5800X3D waterblock (iddles at 41C and tops at 90C randomly and 76C with benchmarks and stress test)

Loop is going: res/pump -> 60mm rad -> GPU -> CPU -> 30mm rad -> back to the res

Running just destilled water with an avarage temp of 36 to 38C
All fans are Artic P12 and running only at 25% to 50% for temps under 80C and 50% to 100% between 80C and MAX temp
Pump always at 25% and 50% from 80C to 100C

AlvaBravo · May 13, 2023

5800X3D is weird and hot, just like my Ex.
But still manageable for me, using 2x240 rads, and bykski cpu and gpu water block.
Got OK score I guess on cinebench R23 15125, max temp on cineR23 is 79~80°c, using ROG b550f, -30, offset - 0.0626v

iGigaFlop2 · May 13, 2023

It runs hot i was using pbo2 tuner -30
on all the cores on a 5800x3d with a kracken x72 pretty much fans and pump maxed out and i would hit 80c maybe a little higher in cinebench. On my 7950x3d i moved to a arctic freezer ii 420 and it does really well the offset mounting seems to help ryzen cpu’s. When I moved from my 5950x to the 5800x3d i was very surprised how much hotter it ran. But I was surprised i did a tinker build with my old parts 5800x3d and 3080ti and I decided to air cool I hadn’t build a rig with air cooling in awhile and I didn’t want to spend much and picked up a thermalright peerless assassin 120 and i was surprised how good it does on the x3d.

Space Lynx · May 13, 2023

ZShinko said:
I don't know why it happens but my temps also maxed out at 90C when playing and only small random peaks that rarely occurs, If I stress test my CPU with benchmarks or stress tests I just can't get past 76C Max temp (pulling around 110 to 120W). All test done while benching the GPU aswell, to get a more accurate result.

Ambient temp: ~29/31C
Mobo: Asus PrimeX570-P
Case: LianLi O11 XL

Everything in a Custom loop with:
60mm thick 360 bottom rad (intake fans pull config) (EK)
30mm thick 360 top rad (exhaust push config) (Bykski)
3 more fans on the side as intake
1 fan exhaust on the back
PNY 4090 XLR8 with an alphacool waterblock (usually tops at 57C (never seen it higher) iddles aroun 31 and 35C)
Bykski CPU for the 5800X3D waterblock (iddles at 41C and tops at 90C randomly and 76C with benchmarks and stress test)

Loop is going: res/pump -> 60mm rad -> GPU -> CPU -> 30mm rad -> back to the res

Running just destilled water with an avarage temp of 36 to 38C
All fans are Artic P12 and running only at 25% to 50% for temps under 80C and 50% to 100% between 80C and MAX temp
Pump always at 25% and 50% from 80C to 100C

ambient is 29-31 celsius? wow. I honestly don't know how people like yourself can enjoy gaming in such hot conditions. that 87 faren for us Americans... yeah no way I am enjoying a game if my bedroom was that hot.

iGigaFlop2 · May 13, 2023

Space Lynx said:
ambient is 29-31 celsius? wow. I honestly don't know how people like yourself can enjoy gaming in such hot conditions. that 87 faren for us Americans... yeah no way I am enjoying a game if my bedroom was that hot.

I have a 1300watts psu, 7950x3d and a 4090 on my main build with 10 case fans and man it heats up my room my house has central ac but i had to put a window unit in my game room. Hell even the ps5 or series x can heat up the room though. Im still getting used to these new cpu temps what used to be crazy hot is now the norm

Deleted member 230939 · May 13, 2023

My 5800x3D behaves ok, though it has a -72mv undervolt on the Thermalright 120 SE, it will rech 86c rendering with Handbrake.

CamoGeko · May 13, 2023

This is with me streaming and gaming on my 5800X3D for almost 9 hours straight in a 23C room. Cooled by a new Kraken 280 AIO with 2 Arctic P14 fans in front intake cooling setup, and 100W PPT in BIOS/-30 CO.

I wanted to go back to a dual air 120 fan air cooled setup but I have doubts that it would be able to cool my 5800X3D.

Mussels · May 13, 2023

AlvaBravo said:
5800X3D is weird and hot, just like my Ex.

Heat density is the issue. Bigger coolers dont help, it's 100% about the contact between the CPU die, the IHS, and your heatsinks base.
They're around the 120W mark, so bigger coolers dont help - but small changes to how the cooler is mounted or thermal paste is done, will.

Lower EDC or TDC can reduce the low core count spikes without harming the all core benches - you'd have to find a way match up the EDC and TDC values and see what they are at the moment the temps spike up (1-2 core benchmarks or something)

cinebench R23 15125, max temp on cineR23 is 79~80°c, using ROG b550f, -30, offset - 0.0626v

This matches my setup very closely, same offset and everything.

Camogecko: that image is useless with it cropped off and no explanation for what the values are. Use HWinfo64 and the windows snipping too.

AlvaBravo · May 13, 2023

Yea, did anyone has tried to delid this chip??
Cause I cant find anything, other than one video on youtube, showing already delided chip, but no bechmark or whatsoever.

OR SHOULD I????

CamoGeko · May 13, 2023

Mussels said:
Heat density is the issue. Bigger coolers dont help, it's 100% about the contact between the CPU die, the IHS, and your heatsinks base.
They're around the 120W mark, so bigger coolers dont help - but small changes to how the cooler is mounted or thermal paste is done, will.

Lower EDC or TDC can reduce the low core count spikes without harming the all core benches - you'd have to find a way match up the EDC and TDC values and see what they are at the moment the temps spike up (1-2 core benchmarks or something)

This matches my setup very closely, same offset and everything.

Camogecko: that image is useless with it cropped off and no explanation for what the values are. Use HWinfo64 and the windows snipping too.

What values are you looking for exactly??

I literally mentioned everything important in the text below the image.

Mussels · May 13, 2023

CamoGeko said:
What values are you looking for exactly??

I literally mentioned everything important in the text below the image.

I'm not looking for anything from them - I'm just letting you know that image holds zero meaning since you cropped everything out.
Without the names of the values and categories, none of it is useful.

19Romulus84 · Jun 7, 2023

This processor simply by its construction is like that and so everyone has, no matter what cooling you have. I have Fera 3 and it's enough. This processor is hot for everyone and everyone. This is my third Ryzen and Ryzen, and this one is outstanding, they have temperature jumps, voltage spikes, clock spikes and it does not affect their lifespan at all. I will not do any undervolting, in load tests in OCCT, but in normal mode, max 84-85 degrees, in extreme mode it takes a minute and it is also around 90 degrees. And so does everyone, unless you have billion-dollar cooling. It doesn't matter if you have Fera 3 or 5 or you have Fortis 3 or 5, the processor will still be hot under full load, and the difference can be 2-3 degrees. This is a gaming processor if you knew you wanted to process VIDEO or work on it and constantly load it 100% and to the max then you should get a different processor. This processor is hot as long as it is 85 degrees, there is absolutely nothing to worry about and I think that AMD itself writes that this processor can work at 90 degrees all the time and so it will be and AMD knows very well that this processor can safely and work at 90 degrees all the time.

Mussels · Jun 8, 2023

19Romulus84 said:
This processor simply by its construction is like that and so everyone has, no matter what cooling you have. I have Fera 3 and it's enough. This processor is hot for everyone and everyone. This is my third Ryzen and Ryzen, and this one is outstanding, they have temperature jumps, voltage spikes, clock spikes and it does not affect their lifespan at all. I will not do any undervolting, in load tests in OCCT, but in normal mode, max 84-85 degrees, in extreme mode it takes a minute and it is also around 90 degrees. And so does everyone, unless you have billion-dollar cooling. It doesn't matter if you have Fera 3 or 5 or you have Fortis 3 or 5, the processor will still be hot under full load, and the difference can be 2-3 degrees. This is a gaming processor if you knew you wanted to process VIDEO or work on it and constantly load it 100% and to the max then you should get a different processor. This processor is hot as long as it is 85 degrees, there is absolutely nothing to worry about and I think that AMD itself writes that this processor can work at 90 degrees all the time and so it will be and AMD knows very well that this processor can safely and work at 90 degrees all the time.

It's definitely possible to run them cooler without needing bigger coolers - the biggest problem is motherboards sending higher voltages than they need and this definitely varies a lot between boards.

Undervolting helps, but ensuring PBO is set within the correct limits and not unlimited is all that's required to keep the temps controlled. Heck you can just alter the maximum temp in the BIOS directly, at the risk of performance loss on weaker cooling (80c for example, may last longer or be more stable since it's cooler for nearby components like VRM's and RAM)

I had to look up those coolers, if they've all got baseplates like this fortis 3 they're a bad choice for ryzen, since those gaps between the heatpipes can line up over your CPU dies and result in hotspots

direct

AMF · Jun 8, 2023

this is what having a cool room will do

19Romulus84 · Jun 9, 2023

@Mussels This is probably the underside of Fery 5. I can assure you that this photo is just a false optical illusion. Although I also have such an interlacing of copper with some kind of steel, it is a surface that must be perfectly smooth and it is. I know what I'm saying because 3 days ago I was just cleaning the heatsink foot from 10 minutes of old paste, it's perfectly even. What you think it looks like, that there are some micro fissures, would have no right to exist. Believe me, this photo is an optical illusion. In games, the max is 84-85 and for a short time, in a normal stress test it is sometimes 77-83 and sometimes higher around 85. The worst thing is when I turn on the extreme mode in OCCT, then it really quickly reaches 90 degrees. For now, I will not do anything with it, these processors already have it, you have to learn to live with it and not worry about it.

freeagent · Jun 9, 2023

My X3D runs nice and cool. I can run it semi passively and still retain full performance.. just a heatsink.

System Name	Wopr "War Operation Plan Response"
Processor	5900x ryzen 9 12 cores 24 threads
Motherboard	aorus x570 pro
Cooling	air (GPU Liquid graphene) rad outside case mounted 120mm 68mm thick
Memory	kingston 32gb ddr4 3200mhz ecc 2x16gb
Video Card(s)	sapphire RX 6950 xt Nitro+ 16gb
Storage	300gb hdd OS backup. Crucial 500gb ssd OS. 6tb raid 1 hdd. 1.8tb pci-e nytro warp drive LSI
Display(s)	AOC display 1080p
Case	SilverStone SST-CS380 V2
Audio Device(s)	Onboard
Power Supply	Corsair 850MX watt
Mouse	corsair gaming mouse
Keyboard	Microsoft brand
Software	Windows 10 pro 64bit, Luxion Keyshot 7, fusion 360, steam
Benchmark Scores	timespy 19 104

System Name	lawooder
Processor	5800x3D
Motherboard	B550M Aorus Elite
Cooling	Arctic Freezer 34 DUO
Memory	32GB 4000Mhz CL16 (2x16GB)
Video Card(s)	RTX 3070 Ti
Storage	SN770 250GB/SN750 500GB/SA510 1TB
Display(s)	VG279QM 1080P 280hz + VG27AQ 1440P 165HZ
Case	MSI MAG Something
Audio Device(s)	fiiO EK10 + HD 599
Power Supply	Focus GX 750 Watts
Mouse	XM1r
Keyboard	Xtrfy K4

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Processor	AMD R9 9900X @ PBO
Motherboard	Asus Strix X670E -F
Cooling	Thermalright FW PRO 360, 3x TL-H12-X28-S, 3x TL-P12-S
Memory	2x 16GB Lexar Ares @ 6400 30-36-36-68 1.55v
Video Card(s)	Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC @ 3045/1500
Storage	WD SN850 1TB, SN850X 2TB, 3x SN770 1TB
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Case	Asus ProArt PA602
Audio Device(s)	JBL Bar 700
Power Supply	Seasonic Vertex GX-1000, Monster HDP1800
Mouse	Logitech G502 Hero
Keyboard	Logitech G213
VR HMD	Oculus 3
Software	Yes
Benchmark Scores	Yes

System Name	lawooder
Processor	5800x3D
Motherboard	B550M Aorus Elite
Cooling	Arctic Freezer 34 DUO
Memory	32GB 4000Mhz CL16 (2x16GB)
Video Card(s)	RTX 3070 Ti
Storage	SN770 250GB/SN750 500GB/SA510 1TB
Display(s)	VG279QM 1080P 280hz + VG27AQ 1440P 165HZ
Case	MSI MAG Something
Audio Device(s)	fiiO EK10 + HD 599
Power Supply	Focus GX 750 Watts
Mouse	XM1r
Keyboard	Xtrfy K4

System Name	Phenomenal1
Processor	Ryzen 7 5800x3d
Motherboard	MSI X570 Gaming Plus
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15s with added NF-A12x25 fan on front
Memory	Predator Vesta 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600 BL.9BWWR.300 B-Die @3733 CL14
Video Card(s)	PNY XLR8 RTX 4090 VERTO EPIC-X Triple Fan
Storage	Boot SSD: SATA 500GB - 1tb + 4tb pcie3 nvme / Spinning Drives: 2tb + 6 tb
Display(s)	MSI MAG 271QPX E2 240hz oled and Gigabyte M27Q 170hz ips
Case	Fractal Torrent - Black
Audio Device(s)	Realtek ALC1220P
Power Supply	Super Flower Leadex VII XG 1000W
Mouse	Redragon Griffin
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman V2 Optical
Software	Windows 11 that I forced to stay at 23H2 with InControl
Benchmark Scores	Time Spy - 28594 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/51010148

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Processor	7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard	B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact
Cooling	NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67
Memory	64GB 6400CL32┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage	8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Case	Caselabs S3┃Lazer3D HT5

Processor	7800X3D -25 all core
Motherboard	B650 Steel Legend
Cooling	RZ620 (White/Silver)
Memory	32gb ddr5 (2x16) cl 30 6000
Video Card(s)	Merc 310 7900 XT @3200 core -.75v
Display(s)	Agon QHD 27" QD-OLED Glossy 240hz
Case	NZXT H710 (Black/Red)
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x

System Name	Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor	Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard	Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling	Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory	2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s)	Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage	2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s)	Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) \| Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) \| Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case	Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G560 \| Corsair Void pro RGB \|Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply	Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse	Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD	Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software	Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores	Nyooom.

System Name	Windows 10 pro
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO
Cooling	SilentiumPC Fera 3 HE1224 v2
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX, DDR4, 32 GB, 3600MHz, CL16
Video Card(s)	RTX 3070
Storage	SSD Intel 660P 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-E x4 Gen3 NVMe
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Power Supply	SilentiumPC Vero M2 Bronze 600W
Mouse	Razer Orochi V2
Keyboard	Klawiatura A4Tech Bloody B120

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Processor	Ryzen 9 3900x 325$ 4.725Ghz boost pbo +50+75 enhance .1875.-+offset auto voltage -.2500 offset soc
Motherboard	ROG STRIX X570-E Gaming $ 125 open box
Cooling	280mm ARCTIC FREEZER II idle temps 25c cpu 28c cpu diode 20c vrm 25c motherboard b stock 60$
Memory	2x 16GB Dual rank G Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C16-16GTZNC @3800 1.405v 16-19-16-19-35-54-1T $96
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Storage	500 GB WD SN850 PCI-E 4.0x4 85$ pcie 4.0x4
Display(s)	Vizio M50QXM-K01 4k@120hz 2.5k 120hz 2k@240hz $448
Case	Cougar Panzer Max G Full Tower Tempered Glass 150$
Audio Device(s)	Vzio M51a 5.1 Soundbar Dolby Atmos goodwill 45$!!!!
Power Supply	Seasonic SS-1250XM2 Bought in 2013 350$ 11 y/o hasnt lost any voltage or watts
Mouse	Perixx eRGO wireless Trackball 25$ 2000dpi
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