AMD Radeon RX 7600

[oxrufiioxo]

Sure they named it a non-XT 7600, but this still uses the full die N33. This means all they have room for is a 7600 XT using this same silicon with buffed up clocks, OC allowance and perhaps 16 GB, which will give them maybe 10-15% at the cost of murdering its efficiency (and not change one thing about its positioning in the general landscape). It's not a comfy position to be in, IMO.

And I'm still rambling about N32 being unable to put out competitive performance vs. the RTX 4070 series. There's no other reason they'd launch the 7900 series, skip straight to this and pretend N32 doesn't exist when the 3070/RX 6800 were the most popular segments last generation, with ample room for a repeat this time.

I will say this.... I love the leaked performance for this product. I feel like only AMD cards get leaks this ridiculous. At the very least it gives me a good chuckle looking back.

AMD's mid range Navi 33 GPU could beat out the 6900 XT

Faster and cheaper with lower power consumption? Sounds good.

www.pcgamer.com

Looking at this it's a good thing N32 only has to compete with the 400 usd 4060ti and the 600 usd 4070.

The 7900XT competes ok with the 4070ti after price drops.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I will say this.... I love the leaked performance for this product. I feel like only AMD cards get leaks this ridiculous. At the very least it gives me a good chuckle looking back.

AMD's mid range Navi 33 GPU could beat out the 6900 XT

Faster and cheaper with lower power consumption? Sounds good.

www.pcgamer.com

That's just how AMD fans work, mate. Overhype to the absolute extreme and then crash the hype train at full speed, hit up the extra-grade copium for some time, product receives price cuts and maintenance updates over time that make it more or less alright, rinse-repeat. I've been there, done that.

Despite everything, I genuinely believe in AMD's mission and especially in their engineering and software teams. They're extremely competent and smart folks, I just have a hard time understanding why does it rarely ever pan out the way it was intended to. I'll still love them, but it's unfortunately a gamble I can't take right now. Financial situation and all that, I can't blow on AMD halo cards for sport like I used to, not at the prices they are commanding nowadays.

This one? Depending on how much it arrives in my country, might just pick one up for some fun. We'll see.

 

[cbb]

Not surprised about the price, it will quickly go down to $200 - $220.
What i was expecting was at least +10% avg performance over the 6650 XT, as it stands now it's meh.

What amd should do now is overclock the coming 7600 XT to 4060 Ti levels and sell it for $300. They will never do that

EDIT: I think the $270 price will stay until 6600/6650 XT inventory dries up.

it's not clear they have a 7600xt coming as this chip is not cut down at all, I thought? maybe a clock (and power) increase or more vram tho? but not expecting a significantly stronger variant tbh, and nothing at the 4060Ti level I suspect? idk, I'm just a rando reading the news...

 

[RDNAuser]

Oh my god, are we doing this again? EVERY. SINGLE. GENERATION. of consoles, they are sold at a loss, and early on, yes a PC will cost more. Because PC is not sold at a loss. Then, at the end of the generation, the PC will be similarly priced and offer better performance as the consoles old hardware becomes a limitation. EVERY. SINGLE. GENERATION.

Can we please stop with this "the sky is falling" BS now?

Well the sky is falling for anyone budget conscious.

 

[mechtech]

I think if this offered anything substantial like better FSR or much better power efficiency I'd be less harsh on it but the fact that it offers basically the same feature set at only a minor wattage improvement is just sad.

The only thing anyone is gaining from this card you would hope is longer driver support.

Well from W1zz first page it does offer several new and or improved features. Whether or not they are used or not does not negate the fact they are there.
“
Since it's based on the latest RDNA3 graphics architecture, the RX 7600 comes with advanced Dual Issue-rate Compute Units with over 17% IPC improvement over the previous RDNA2 CUs, second generation Ray Accelerators with a claimed 50% increase in ray intersection performance; and for the first time on an AMD GPU, hardware acceleration for AI in the form of two AI Accelerator units per CU. RDNA3 also introduces hardware-accelerated AV1 video encoding, and the new Radiance Display Engine, with support for the latest DisplayPort 2.1 and HDMI 2.1a ports, and advanced 12-bpc color formats.
“

 

[Dragokar]

Compared to the 66xx the MSRP is kinda okay IF the real market price drops down to ~$200. I do believe this card can become a good entry point together with the 4060 non Ti if they manage (want to) to get the street price down.

The performance is as expected for me, I do like some benefits from the new media engine and the updated CU design.

I still believe that no card from any vendor above $250 -$300 should come with 8 GB of VRAM nowadays, at least do 10 or 12 with .5 chips.

 

[HairyLobsters]

Keep in mind that performance will also increase over time with more mature drivers.

 

[RDNAuser]

Keep in mind that performance will also increase over time with more mature drivers.

No, sorry I can;t say it will, RDNA 3 has been out quite a while now.

 

[Chrispy_]

I think 6nm hurts quite a bit had this been on 5nm it likely would be substantially more efficient but given what AMD is asking for this it would likely be even more expensive.

6nm is supposed to be the efficiency node, but it's not even any better in terms of perf/Watt.
Is RDNA3 so bad that it can negatively offset the advantages of TSMC 6nm over 7nm?!

 

[Nkd]

MSRP of a 2+ year old GPU is irrelevant to a purchasing decision made today. RX 6600 go for 200-220$ new.

lets not pretend like they will always continue to sell those. That is the point of new generation You are seeing fire sale on other GPUS that launched at higher MSRP. This will go for 250 ish soon enough like other cards on sale once the 6600 die out. its still a 6600 replacement. Probably soon here you won't be able to get RDNA2 in another month or two.

 

[mechtech]

The apple is imaginary, MSRP of 330$ for the RX 6600 doesn't exist anymore.

Of course not. It’s getting close to 2 years old. It’s rotted away. But it is a benchmark in time which is still useful for tracking and comparison purposes for release vs release. Obviously time changes everything. I mean you can get a new GT1030 for $100 if you wanted to.

 

[Nkd]

6nm is supposed to be the efficiency node, but it's not even any better in terms of perf/Watt.
Is RDNA3 so bad that it can negatively offset the advantages of TSMC 6nm over 7nm?!

its still 6nm and cheaper cost to make. Why are people losing their shit over less then 200w lmao.

 

[progste]

again with the x8 interface? guess I'll just get a used RX6700 instead.

 

[Paranoir andando]

A low-end gpu made in 6nm, a card of $100-$150 as previous R7 260X, RX 460, RX 560, etc. Plandemic and mining time are gone

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well from W1zz first page it does offer several new and or improved features. Whether or not they are used or not does not negate the fact they are there.
“
Since it's based on the latest RDNA3 graphics architecture, the RX 7600 comes with advanced Dual Issue-rate Compute Units with over 17% IPC improvement over the previous RDNA2 CUs, second generation Ray Accelerators with a claimed 50% increase in ray intersection performance; and for the first time on an AMD GPU, hardware acceleration for AI in the form of two AI Accelerator units per CU. RDNA3 also introduces hardware-accelerated AV1 video encoding, and the new Radiance Display Engine, with support for the latest DisplayPort 2.1 and HDMI 2.1a ports, and advanced 12-bpc color formats.
“

Nice marketing talk and technical fluff, all of that and all it's got for show is 4% over its predecessor. Ultra high-bandwidth output ports couldn't be more irrelevant in this market segment, could as well have removed them, kept DisplayPort 1.4 and diverted that buck or two onto another component that would actually matter. This GPU just isn't capable of driving a resolution which requires DisplayPort 2+ in any title out there, and such extreme resolution video would likely not be processed well by its relatively middling shading power, since we're talking 8K120+ here.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well from W1zz first page it does offer several new and or improved features. Whether or not they are used or not does not negate the fact they are there.
“
Since it's based on the latest RDNA3 graphics architecture, the RX 7600 comes with advanced Dual Issue-rate Compute Units with over 17% IPC improvement over the previous RDNA2 CUs, second generation Ray Accelerators with a claimed 50% increase in ray intersection performance; and for the first time on an AMD GPU, hardware acceleration for AI in the form of two AI Accelerator units per CU. RDNA3 also introduces hardware-accelerated AV1 video encoding, and the new Radiance Display Engine, with support for the latest DisplayPort 2.1 and HDMI 2.1a ports, and advanced 12-bpc color formats.
“

All those imaginary improvements and it's still almost zero gains form the 6650XT with the same shader count. Good thing it can do 300fps on a 4k monitor though it really needed that improvement

 

[WannaBeOCer]

At that price point I’d rather buy an A750/A770, comparable gaming performance while having better compute performance.

 

[RDNAuser]

Well I guess it is another 300 FPS CSGO 1080p card?

 

[BSim500]

• PCIe x8 interface

Why is this a negative?
If you run a 4090 at PCI 3.0x16\PCI 4.0x8 it only loses about 2 fps, so why should a very slow GPU need more lanes?
If it means they can save some cost and hopefully move said saving to customer, that makes it a plus.

I'm not saying it should be in the positive section but don't understand the negativity.

I'd love to see someone sit down and 'fact check' exactly how much money x8 vs x16 lane skimping actually saves per GPU. The "we can't afford to make a 16x lane $250-$400 GPU today" really doesn't 'pass the smell test' when even $99 GPU's of yesteryear like the GTX 1050 2GB (non Ti) or old "Bonaire" (HD 7790) all managed to have 16x lanes at 1/3 to 1/4 the price. Last time I looked, GPU PCB tracks are still made of copper, not HP printer ink...

 

[Chrispy_]

its still 6nm and cheaper cost to make. Why are people losing their shit over less then 200w lmao.

I'm not losing my shit, but literally the only thing the 7600 could bring to the table after failing to deliver a significant performance uplift was performance/Watt. It's a tiny bit better than the 6600XT but it's not exactly the generational leap we were promised. It just feels like a mid-cycle refresh with an RDNA3 label slapped on it without any tangible benefits.

Everything about this generation is just a case of "it's not what was advertised". We were promised new and better but what we're getting is "slightly more expensive, not really adding anything new, and it's not actually measurably better".

This is the wet fart generation of GPUs. Even if you extend the discussion to include Nvidia, outside of the 4090, every new GPU in the last year has been a disappointment.

 

[btk2k2]

I will say this.... I love the leaked performance for this product. I feel like only AMD cards get leaks this ridiculous. At the very least it gives me a good chuckle looking back.

AMD's mid range Navi 33 GPU could beat out the 6900 XT

Faster and cheaper with lower power consumption? Sounds good.

www.pcgamer.com

Looking at this it's a good thing N32 only has to compete with the 400 usd 4060ti and the 600 usd 4070.

The 7900XT competes ok with the 4070ti after price drops.

You can actually see how that rumour started though.

So someone gets some info that N33 is 20+ Tflops which is about what the 6900XT is, leaks the info, someone assumes that means N33 must have double the shaders over N23.

On top of that you get the info about RDNA being architected for 3Ghz + so you think, 4k shaders + 3ghz or above clockspeeds and suddenly the idea that it could match a 6900XT at low resolution where the 32MB and 128 bit bus are not such an issue begins to form.

The reality is though it does not have double the shaders, they are just dual issue and it seems they barely work in games but give it a compute workload and you can get 21Tflops out of it.

Also AMD have form for this kind of thing. The 4870 had 2.5x the shaders of the 3870. RDNA2 was a huge leap over RDNA1. Zen3 was a big uplift over Zen2 on the same node so given their recent track record of exceeding expectations people thought RDNA3 would be more of the same. Obviously it didn't turn out that way but it was a fun ride while it lasted.

 

[Paranoir andando]

Use more power than 4060ti, yet 30% slower. Yup, it's RDOA3 alright

Cheap 7nm (fake 6nm) vs 5nm.

Nvidia-AMD, both are horrible.

 

[progste]

I'd love to see someone sit down and 'fact check' exactly how much money x8 vs x16 lane skimping actually saves per GPU. The "we can't afford to make a 16x lane $250-$400 GPU today" really doesn't 'pass the smell test' when even $99 GPU's of yesteryear like the GTX 1050 2GB (non Ti) or old "Bonaire" (HD 7790) all managed to have 16x lanes at 1/3 to 1/4 the price. Last time I looked, GPU PCB tracks are still made of copper, not HP printer ink...

I've looked quite a bit into the performance aspect since I have a gen 3 and was considering a RX6600 in the past.
Basically what really matters is not a theoretical 2-3 average fps, the issue is when the card has to load a lot of texture and other data at a fast speed and you end up with jittering and unstable framerate.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well I guess it is another 300 FPS CSGO 1080p card?

Even if it were, it's a terrible idea to purchase one for this purpose. CS:GO has its days numbered, and CS 2's total engine overhaul will obviously increase system requirements. It'll obviously still run well since Valve is obviously going to be targeting the average CSGO player's hardware, but such insane frame rates will likely no longer be feasible.

 

[RDNAuser]

Even if it were, it's a terrible idea to purchase one for this purpose. CS:GO has its days numbered, and CS 2's total engine overhaul will obviously increase system requirements. It'll obviously still run well since Valve is obviously going to be targeting the average CSGO player's hardware, but such insane frame rates will likely no longer be feasible.

Ehh 7600 will be more than enough for CS2.