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What the hell is going on with game devs? (Gollum rant)

Dr. Dro said:
There are exceptionally few really competent (at a technical level) Unity games, IMO. I would guess that the most advanced of them would be The Long Dark. There are great games made on Unity, such as Subnautica, but few if any are mechanically complex games with lots of maps, props, etc. - and even then, The Long Dark isn't exactly a bug-free game. I'd know, with almost 3000 hours on it...
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I'd go with Genshin Impact as the big Unity exception actually. It manages a seamless open world, fluid and responsive combat, launched without any major issues & bugs, and on top of that allows for flawless crossplay on PC, consoles, and mobiles. And their budget is massive - half a billion at this point and just keeps growing alongside the game.
 
siluro818 said:
I'd go with Genshin Impact as the big Unity exception actually. It manages a seamless open world, fluid and responsive combat, launched without any major issues & bugs, and on top of that allows for flawless crossplay on PC, consoles, and mobiles. And their budget is massive - half a billion at this point and just keeps growing alongside the game.
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I thought MiHoYo had their own engine? But if that is the case, indeed... it is quite a polished game! And I caught no "unity-isms" from it. Usually you can tell straight away when a game uses a certain engine (see Unrealism phenomenon - UE games look alike), amazing indeed.
 
Gollum II soon... why not ?
 
siluro818 said:
Well, yeah, though a key difference is that Unity is rarely used for AAA projects that are on the radar of the majority of people and end up causing widespread frustration when they launch.
Not that Gollum is an attempt at an AAA game - literally the only thing it has going for it is the brand. You could tell from the very first trailer that mediocrity is what it's headed for and not only in terms of budget...
And the publisher is not always to blame for the full extent of a failure when it happens. Not all companies can allow themselves to postpone projects indefinitely - that costs A LOT of money.
When a publisher and developer make contract about a release in say four years and four years later the project is still half-baked the publisher is not actually at fault.
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In this case the game was supposed to come out almost 2 years ago so I doubt we can actually blame the publisher on this one.....
 
like Gollum is the issue here, the problem is widespread, it's in 90% of all the AAA games released nowadays, sure some are worst in the shit scale, but no one cares to optimise or polish anything. And in some cases even finish what they started, they just patch whatever has done and sell it, no cohesion at all
AAA game industry is a turd factory at full speed
 
"What do you mean my game has bad reviews?" Gollum, 2023

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How did they dare do that, nothing of an AAA game, franchise's never suffured of that kind of low level art :

 
Today, unlike the 90s, anyone can develop and publish their own game digitally.

There is no quality control done by a 3rd party.

Just don't waste your money and time on every game released.

Wait for at least 100 user reviews and even then watch for a PC gameplay on YouTube.

Some games get good reviews and yet they run like crap (e.g. Wreckfest) and it doesn't bother many.
 
98 right, mostly negative since first tho

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Greta Thunberg could be the Gollum's lining :p
 
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Well Borderlands 3 is a huge game and uses like up to 14GB susyem RAM (32 installed) and 8GB Vram at 4K (7900 XT).

Granted it's not cutting edge visually but it's far from ugly and is a huge open world game.
 
This thread has made me want to play oblivion again.
 
AusWolf said:
Devs are focusing too much on RT tickbox exercises compared to making their games look good and run relatively well these days.
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Devs are focusing on advancing the industry. Crysis wouldn't have existed if someone hasn't started making use of programmable shaders, or use textures larger than 100KB, or use 3D meshes in games at all.

The video game industry evolves by implementing new things, it always has been. Only those with addiction to dial everything to the max have anything to complain. DOOM 2016 itself ran like crap maxed out at 4K. Even on 1440p, only contemporary top of the line systems could run it at 60hz. And this was a title that was *mostly* conservative in new tech adoption (API migration notwithstanding).

Not defending LoTR:Gollum though. This game looks and sounds absolute trash...

Vayra86 said:
But there is a fundamental difference; one is the core of the game, the other is pure extra, you could delete RT and still play the whole game start to finish.
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The industry's goal is to replace the entire paradigm with RT. People perceive it as "extra" because, unfortunately, marketing focuses more on the "Ooh! Shiny!" aspect.
Personally, I'm ok with the development to be subsidized by those willing to shell >$1K on a card. On my end, I can just do what I've always been doing as a PC user: turn some toggles on/off!
 
Shihab said:
Devs are focusing on advancing the industry. Crysis wouldn't have existed if someone hasn't started making use of programmable shaders, or use textures larger than 100KB, or use 3D meshes in games at all.

The video game industry evolves by implementing new things, it always has been. Only those with addiction to dial everything to the max have anything to complain. DOOM 2016 itself ran like crap maxed out at 4K. Even on 1440p, only contemporary top of the line systems could run it at 60hz. And this was a title that was *mostly* conservative in new tech adoption (API migration notwithstanding).
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I don't mean incorporating modern things is bad. What I mean is those modern things aren't even incorporated in the first place. They just get shovelled into the game with no optimisation and the devs call it a day. Sure, Crysis ran like crap on high-end systems back in the days, but it was a visual masterpiece. It can even stand its ground nowadays, but runs miles better on modern hardware than some of the newest games. When a game runs with 5 FPS on current gen hardware and looks jaw-dropping, I understand. But when a game runs with 5 FPS only because of RT, but looks like shit otherwise, that's unacceptable.

In short: overall visual quality matters. Whether you have an RT toggle in the settings or not doesn't.
 
AusWolf said:
I don't mean incorporating modern things is bad. What I mean is those modern things aren't even incorporated in the first place. They just get shovelled into the game with no optimisation and the devs call it a day. Sure, Crysis ran like crap on high-end systems back in the days, but it was a visual masterpiece. It can even stand its ground nowadays, but runs miles better on modern hardware than some of the newest games. When a game runs with 5 FPS on current gen hardware and looks jaw-dropping, I understand. But when a game runs with 5 FPS only because of RT, but looks like shit otherwise, that's unacceptable.

In short: overall visual quality matters. Whether you have an RT toggle in the settings or not doesn't.
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Iasked once, which game has a good implemented RT, answered was : Quake 2 RTX !!

Also i decidded to never enable the option (letting DX12 useless), is there some games exceptions known to have it really well rendered ?
 
Shihab said:
Devs are focusing on advancing the industry. Crysis wouldn't have existed if someone hasn't started making use of programmable shaders, or use textures larger than 100KB, or use 3D meshes in games at all.

The video game industry evolves by implementing new things, it always has been. Only those with addiction to dial everything to the max have anything to complain. DOOM 2016 itself ran like crap maxed out at 4K. Even on 1440p, only contemporary top of the line systems could run it at 60hz. And this was a title that was *mostly* conservative in new tech adoption (API migration notwithstanding).

Not defending LoTR:Gollum though. This game looks and sounds absolute trash...


The industry's goal is to replace the entire paradigm with RT. People perceive it as "extra" because, unfortunately, marketing focuses more on the "Ooh! Shiny!" aspect.
Personally, I'm ok with the development to be subsidized by those willing to shell >$1K on a card. On my end, I can just do what I've always been doing as a PC user: turn some toggles on/off!
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AusWolf said:
I don't mean incorporating modern things is bad. What I mean is those modern things aren't even incorporated in the first place. They just get shovelled into the game with no optimisation and the devs call it a day. Sure, Crysis ran like crap on high-end systems back in the days, but it was a visual masterpiece. It can even stand its ground nowadays, but runs miles better on modern hardware than some of the newest games. When a game runs with 5 FPS on current gen hardware and looks jaw-dropping, I understand. But when a game runs with 5 FPS only because of RT, but looks like shit otherwise, that's unacceptable.

In short: overall visual quality matters. Whether you have an RT toggle in the settings or not doesn't.
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The issue isn't really RT, or any other detail, it's the same issue that's resulted in many of the recent AAA games being trash code pushed out the door.

These publishers are bought and become corporate mentality hellholes, where the objective is to finish projects as quickly and cheaply as possible so they can move on to the next profitable venture.

There is only one solution to this. Never preorder, and don't pay any amount of money, and yes, that includes discounted versions a year later, to support this attitude.

Reward games that are a labour of love, and don't support anything else - this is how you shape the industry.

Klemc said:
Iasked once, which game has a good implemented RT, answered was : Quake 2 RTX !!

Also i decidded to never enable the option (letting DX12 useless), is there some games exceptions known to have it really well rendered ?
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There's lots
  • A Plague Tale: Requiem
  • Amid Evil
  • Battlefield V
  • Battlefield 2042
  • Bright Memory
  • Bright Memory: Infinite
  • Call Of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
  • Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)
  • Chernobylite
  • Chorus
  • Control
  • Crysis Remastered
  • Crysis Remastered Trilogy
  • Cyberpunk 2077
  • Dead Space (2023)
  • Deathloop
  • Deliver Us The Moon
  • Dirt 5
  • Doom Eternal
  • Dying Light 2
  • Elden Ring
  • Everspace 2
  • F1 2021
  • F1 22
  • Far Cry 6
  • FIST: Forged In Shadow Torch
  • Five Nights At Freddy's: Security Breach
  • Forspoken
  • Fortnite
  • Forza Horizon 5
  • Ghostrunner
  • Ghostwire: Tokyo
  • Gotham Knights
  • Godfall
  • Gripper
  • Halo Infinite
  • Hell Pie
  • Hello Neighbor 2
  • Hitman: World of Assassination
  • Industria
  • Icarus
  • Jurassic World Evolution 2
  • Justice
  • JX Online 3
  • Lego: Builder's Journey
  • Loopmancer
  • Martha is Dead
  • Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy
  • Marvel's Midnight Suns
  • Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
  • Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
  • Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries
  • Metro Exodus / Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition
  • Minecraft (Bedrock Edition)
  • Moonlight Blade
  • Mortal Shell
  • Myst
  • Observer: System Redux
  • Paradise Killer
  • Portal with RTX
  • Pumpkin Jack
  • Quake II RTX
  • Resident Evil 2
  • Resident Evil 3
  • Resident Evil 4
  • Resident Evil 7
  • Resident Evil Village
  • Returnal
  • Raji: An Ancient Epic
  • Ring Of Elysium
  • Sackboy: A Big Adventure
  • Saints Row
  • Severed Steel
  • Shadow of the Tomb Raider
  • Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
  • Stay in the Light
  • Steelrising
  • Sword and Fairy 7
  • The Ascent
  • The Fabled Woods
  • The Medium
  • The Persistence
  • The Riftbreaker
  • The Witcher III: Wild Hunt - Game of the Year Edition
  • Turbo Sloths
  • Watch Dogs Legion
  • Warhammer 40,000: Darktide
  • Wolfenstein: Youngblood
  • World Of Warcraft: Shadowlands
  • Wrench
  • Xuan-Yuan Sword VII
  • Voidtrain
, Cyberpunk being the obvious one, you'll need a $1.5k GPU to turn everything on, but it's the best example. Other games involve RT at a much lower level, but examples such as Dying Light 2, even Elden ring pushed an RT update with a recent patch that makes buildings and dungeons look a lot better.
 
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Klemc said:
Iasked once, which game has a good implemented RT, answered was : Quake 2 RTX !!

Also i decidded to never enable the option (letting DX12 useless), is there some games exceptions known to have it really well rendered ?
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Metro: Exodus Enhanced Edition has good RT. It's not overwhelming, it doesn't take the artistic direction into a new realm, just slightly adds to it. Oh, and it runs well, too.

Also, Deliver Us The Moon, which is sort of an RT-sponsored title, but still good. I just can't enable RT on AMD in this game for some reason.
 
All those games (dgianstefani+AusWolf) i don't have, Cyberpunk yes, it's even made as an advertise, game made around RTX.

Metro was mentionned too, but all others games were never mentionned and i always read bad about RTX integration in forums.
 
Klemc said:
All those games (dgianstefani+AusWolf) i don't have, Cyberpunk yes, it's even made as an advertise, game made around RTX.

Metro was mentionned too, but all others games were never mentionned and i always read bad about RTX integration in forums.
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DUTM is short, but way better than most AAA games these days. I fully recommend checking it out. :)
 
My RTX games :

A Plague Tale: Requiem
Bright Memory: Infinite
F.I.S.T.: Forged in Shadow Torch
Ghostrunner
Observer: System Redux
Resident Evil 7: Biohazard // so, better than 2 nd 3 ?
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Stay in the Light // RTX showcase
The Medium
Voidtrain

Oh, and it's on 7800X3D 4070TI - OLED 27"1440p 240hz

INFO
Deliver Us Mars // peraps you don't know !

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Less OFF topic, Gollul RT is any good ?
 
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Thread's content overlooked... I think the real issue here is the 'market'.
Looking at the popularity of 'retro-graphics' games like WH40K:Boltgun, it's kinda clear that 'the (AAA) gaming community' at large is being 'led around by its nose'.

It is the market that's driving big companies to push their devs to get a 'AAA' titles 'out the door, ASAP'; which, is where a lot of technical oversights come from.

The solution is simple (though, not 'easy'):
Stop buying new releases, and stop buying the latest and greatest hardware.
If 'foreign adversaries' can deal with a few-generations out of date tech, gamers can too.

There's lifetime-hours of fantastic electronic entertainment already 'out there' that's not 'the new hotness'. Stop feeding the corporate trolls.
 
Klemc said:
Iasked once, which game has a good implemented RT, answered was : Quake 2 RTX !!

Also i decidded to never enable the option (letting DX12 useless), is there some games exceptions known to have it really well rendered ?
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Q2RTX is a complete joke. Its RT is horribly inaccurate and most of the time barely helps to improve the scene. Only reflections are accurate but SSR can do that since 1999. Lighting is absolutely not.
 
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