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4070 is already a (significantly) cut down version of 4070 Ti. Nvidia also uses these chips in professional cards - cutting them down twice and selling them for cheap does not make sense at all.
Yes i know , maybe the 4070TI should have been 4070 :)
 
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Where the 6700 XT wins (thanks to vRAM), the framerate is horrible.

Provide a few examples at 1440p.

Anyway, these video cards were released 2 years ago and have no relevance now. They are cheaper, but they are old.

They have relevance as they are still being sold and are cheaper or have better fps/$ than the current-gen alternatives. That matters to buyers.

Nor does the generalization make sense. The better video card is the one that offers more performance in your games.

So everyone should just get a 4090? If you're considering a lower-end card than a 4090 then you are balancing price to fps. And the 6700XT leads that comparison with the 3070 and 3070 Ti. The 3070s have DLSS, which bridges the gap for many.

However, if we generalize, in the top of the most played titles (steam, epic, etc.) we do not find titles in which vRAM is an obstacle.

Very few titles at all have a VRAM obstacle right now, but that was never an issue before about a year ago and these are expensive cards. And Nvidia is admitting it by making the 16GB version of this card. It could be argued that this is dev laziness but it doesn't seem that this will change if you believe comments made by developers where they say they want even more VRAM for better textures. IMO textures are fine whereas geometry, NPC movement, lighting, and shadows are far more immersion-breaking. But I'm not a dev and they're the ones making the games. The future will tell.
 
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Provide a few examples at 1440p.

Almost all of this year's titles tested.
Of course, they received updates, but they were focused on the huge memory consumption.

They have relevance as they are still being sold and are cheaper or have better fps/$ than the current-gen alternatives. That matters to buyers.
They are cheap because they are old and clash with the new launches. We are on a topic where a new series is being discussed, right?

So everyone should just get a 4090? If you're considering a lower-end card than a 4090 then you are balancing price to fps. And the 6700XT leads that comparison with the 3070 and 3070 Ti. The 3070s have DLSS, which bridges the gap for many.
Everyone buys what suits him or what suits him best in the allocated budget. In WoT and AW, I don't use even 40% of the 3070 Ti's power and the most used is the UHD 770 (igp) on the secondary system. Tens of thousands of battles have convinced me that low-middle are the best settings in them. More vRAM for tons of textures? Well, I don't have time to see the score, damage, kills and I'm interested in how many sparrows are in the trees???!!!
In a racing game, do you have time to count the leaves on the trees?
4090 is for enthusiasts. You can play with 1650 and even with an IGP.

Very few titles at all have a VRAM obstacle right now, but that was never an issue before about a year ago and these are expensive cards. And Nvidia is admitting it by making the 16GB version of this card. It could be argued that this is dev laziness but it doesn't seem that this will change if you believe comments made by developers where they say they want even more VRAM for better textures. IMO textures are fine whereas geometry, NPC movement, lighting, and shadows are far more immersion-breaking. But I'm not a dev and they're the ones making the games. The future will tell.
You have tons of textures for nothing if the optimization is pathetic and the cards you're referring to can't handle even 1080p in some cases (we're talking about Ultra). In the examples given in "1", the 6700 XT is pathetic in 1440p and does not exceed 3070. These are new games, right? What are we talking about?
 
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Almost all of this year's titles tested.
Of course, they received updates, but they were focused on the huge memory consumption.


They are cheap because they are old and clash with the new launches. We are on a topic where a new series is being discussed, right?


Everyone buys what suits him or what suits him best in the allocated budget. In WoT and AW, I don't use even 40% of the 3070 Ti's power and the most used is the UHD 770 (igp) on the secondary system. Tens of thousands of battles have convinced me that low-middle are the best settings in them. More vRAM for tons of textures? Well, I don't have time to see the score, damage, kills and I'm interested in how many sparrows are in the trees???!!!
In a racing game, do you have time to count the leaves on the trees?
4090 is for enthusiasts. You can play with 1650 and even with an IGP.


You have tons of textures for nothing if the optimization is pathetic and the cards you're referring to can't handle even 1080p in some cases (we're talking about Ultra). In the examples given in "1", the 6700 XT is pathetic in 1440p and does not exceed 3070. These are new games, right? What are we talking about?
You should go and read Nvidia's website pr from them on this topic, they are not behind the curve, they know and also have been told enough, they advise dropping settings in "Some" game's, the 4060ti would have made one hell of a 4050 OR they're taking the piss with the price, one or the other, it's not a bad card.
 
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Almost all of this year's titles tested.
Of course, they received updates, but they were focused on the huge memory consumption.

Did you forget what you were saying? A reminder: "Where the 6700 XT wins (thanks to VRAM), the framerate is horrible."

Your examples all have the 3070 getting a little more fps than the 6700 XT, which is what I mentioned previously. The issue here is the 3070 costing notably more than the 6700 XT (+$120 for 9 more fps).

They are cheap because they are old and clash with the new launches. We are on a topic where a new series is being discussed, right?


Everyone buys what suits him or what suits him best in the allocated budget. In WoT and AW, I don't use even 40% of the 3070 Ti's power and the most used is the UHD 770 (igp) on the secondary system. Tens of thousands of battles have convinced me that low-middle are the best settings in them. More vRAM for tons of textures? Well, I don't have time to see the score, damage, kills and I'm interested in how many sparrows are in the trees???!!!
In a racing game, do you have time to count the leaves on the trees?
4090 is for enthusiasts. You can play with 1650 and even with an IGP.

Yeees.... People use their GPUs differently. And they want value when spending money, that's the point here with the 4060 Ti and with competitors like the 3060 Ti/70/70 Ti/6700 XT. I game on GPUs from 4 different companies (Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Apple) but I want value in each purchase like most other people. So yes, I did not buy the Apple.

You have tons of textures for nothing if the optimization is pathetic and the cards you're referring to can't handle even 1080p in some cases (we're talking about Ultra). In the examples given in "1", the 6700 XT is pathetic in 1440p and does not exceed 3070. These are new games, right? What are we talking about?

LOL! How do you go from finding value in a 1650 to 91 fps avg at 1440p in current-gen games being "pathetic?" Making the 3070 all of 9% better than "pathetic." Got a good adjective for that? Lame? Bad? Technically usable but best avoided?
 
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To put the pricing of the RTX 4060 Ti in perspective, you can buy an entire brand new PS5 (or even Xbox Series X) with similar graphics performance for the same price of $400. Which would you rather have, a new PS5 or just the graphics card from it? It's been 3 years since the RTX 3000 series launched, and the RTX 4060 TI simply offers 10% more performance with the same amount of ram as a 3 year old card. This is why gamers are upset about the RTX 4060 Ti. Are you listening Nvidia?

Instead of selling you the whole PS5 for $400, Nvidia wants to just sell you the graphics card from it for $400. That's a problem.
 
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Did you forget what you were saying? A reminder: "Where the 6700 XT wins (thanks to VRAM), the framerate is horrible."

Your examples all have the 3070 getting a little more fps than the 6700 XT, which is what I mentioned previously. The issue here is the 3070 costing notably more than the 6700 XT (+$120 for 9 more fps).



Yeees.... People use their GPUs differently. And they want value when spending money, that's the point here with the 4060 Ti and with competitors like the 3060 Ti/70/70 Ti/6700 XT. I game on GPUs from 4 different companies (Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Apple) but I want value in each purchase like most other people. So yes, I did not buy the Apple.



LOL! How do you go from finding value in a 1650 to 91 fps avg at 1440p in current-gen games being "pathetic?" Making the 3070 all of 9% better than "pathetic." Got a good adjective for that? Lame? Bad? Technically usable but best avoided?
It seems that you do not understand the meaning of some things that are easy to understand.

1. When you are below 60 fps, 10 fps more makes the transition from horrible to acceptable.

2. RTX 1650. Sorry. I forgot that amd fans are not familiar with shortcuts for nVidia or Intel..
At this moment, 41% of voters use very old video cards.
At the moment, the 3070 maintains its lead over the 6700 XT.
At this moment, the top of the titles played does not contain the messes that want to put AMD in the light.

Only you see in the crystal ball that this surplus of memory on already outdated video cards will bring you benefits in ... when? When will Andromeda and the Milky Way form a single galaxy?

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3. WoT, 4K Ultra. Only 4200MB vRAM used.
There are people who play this game exclusively. All titles have their fans and the best video card is the one that fits your favorite game(s). In the case of WoT, it is stupid to buy 4090 when you can handle decently even 3050 in 1080/1440p.
It seems absolute stupidity to me that you buy an old video card for $100-200 cheaper and then spend $50-60 on badly optimized games and brag that you play them "fluently" at a framerate of 50-60 average. You can reduce the details for a nice framerate (towards 100) and the memory surplus is in vain, but.. NO!!!! .. I play at 50 fps because the "idiot" with 8GB vRAM can't set it like me, I'm the boss!!!!!! Seriously? Who is the idiot here?
If you don't see that horrible framerate of the 6700XT in new games at maximum settings, ok, I get it, you're wearing sunglasses manufactured by Hardware Unboxed..


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It seems that you do not understand the meaning of some things that are easy to understand.

Ironic accusation as you don't address anything in my post. I address your points directly and you go off on a tangent.

1. When you are below 60 fps, 10 fps more makes the transition from horrible to acceptable.

6700 XT at 1440p: 91 fps average (see this very review you are posting in)
3070 at 1440p: 100 fps average

Provide data when making claims.

2. RTX 1650. Sorry. I forgot that amd fans are not familiar with shortcuts for nVidia or Intel..

I know what a GTX 1650 is. OK you say your things with snide comments, I say mine and back them up with data. I'm done here, enjoy!
 
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6700 XT at 1440p: 91 fps average (see this very review you are posting in)
3070 at 1440p: 100 fps average

Provide data when making claims.
If Elon Musk spends $1000 on lunch and the poor only spend $2, we have an average of $501 which looks extraordinary. That's how you pose the problem.

You talk about the future of this extra vRAM, let's see the present. In this "new games", tested by TPU, the 6700 XT offers a terrible framerate in 1440p. As I have said so many times, up to vRAM the GPU kill you.

6700XT 1440p
The Callisto Protocol : 47.9 FPS
Dead Space: 46.6 FPS
Hogwarts Legacy: 51.2 FPS
Atomic Heart: 49.8 FPS
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor: 49.6 FPS
A Plague Tale Requiem: 50.1 FPS
The Last of US Part I: 47.9 FPS

It is clear that the 12 GB does not help her and will not help her in the future. For a video card, if you have ULTRA demands, two years means a lifetime. I find it at least hilarious to claim performance at maximum details at 1440p (to justify the memory surplus) on an expired video card. It can barely cope with 1080p, having an unenviable average even there.
 
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If Elon Musk spends $1000 on lunch and the poor only spend $2, we have an average of $501 which looks extraordinary. That's how you pose the problem.

You talk about the future of this extra vRAM, let's see the present. In this "new games", tested by TPU, the 6700 XT offers a terrible framerate in 1440p. As I have said so many times, up to vRAM the GPU kill you.

6700XT 1440p
The Callisto Protocol : 47.9 FPS
Dead Space: 46.6 FPS
Hogwarts Legacy: 51.2 FPS
Atomic Heart: 49.8 FPS
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor: 49.6 FPS
A Plague Tale Requiem: 50.1 FPS
The Last of US Part I: 47.9 FPS

It is clear that the 12 GB does not help her and will not help her in the future. For a video card, if you have ULTRA demands, two years means a lifetime. I find it at least hilarious to claim performance at maximum details at 1440p (to justify the memory surplus) on an expired video card. It can barely cope with 1080p, having an unenviable average even there.

You must adjust the settings. RX 6700 XT will run all those games at 144 Hz + if adjusted accordingly. These games have extremely demanding with very heavy impact settings which have zero to none image quality contribution.
 
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And only 6700 XT has this option? Do we load textures to the maximum and the rest on low? Piece of shit!
If a video card runs 60 fps in 1080p and 50 fps in 1440p maximum settings, for 100 fps the requirements will be so ridiculous that the amount of vRAM doesn't matter. Argument: 6700XT cannot beat 3070 even in the last appearances. There are two or three AMD love titles (Bordelands 3, for example) where it exceeds the 3070 and thousands of other games where it does not. And he never will.
 
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Yes i know , maybe the 4070TI should have been 4070 :)
60 and 60 Ti. 60 used to be the previous 80. Anything less is a joke. They could do a 499 version of 4060 Ti 12GB cut out of the the 4070 and unlaunch the 16Gb if they wanted to save face.
 
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60 and 60 Ti. 60 used to be the previous 80. Anything less is a joke. They could do a 499 version of 4060 Ti 12GB cut out of the the 4070 and unlaunch the 16Gb if they wanted to save face.
They put AD104 chip that is in 4070 in a L4 server card, which sells for $2600. No joke. Why should they put it in a mid/low end consumer card, which would sell for $500 ???

The sad thing is that nVidia does not care, how few consumer cards they sell now, they have a better use for the chips in server/professional products.

You should go and kiss the leather jacket to show gratitude, that they even allow peasants to buy their products.
 
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4060 Ti has no competition in its sector. AMD has not launched anything in this area, nor has it announced anything. It is the same scenario where the 5600X had a minimum price of $300 (it had no competition) and the 7600X is sold at ~$200 because it has strong competition.
The price is high, but it will drop when the 4060 non Ti and 4060 Ti 16GB are released. It was even better that AMD released the 7600 XT now!
 
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And only 6700 XT has this option? Do we load textures to the maximum and the rest on low? Piece of shit!
If a video card runs 60 fps in 1080p and 50 fps in 1440p maximum settings, for 100 fps the requirements will be so ridiculous that the amount of vRAM doesn't matter. Argument: 6700XT cannot beat 3070 even in the last appearances. There are two or three AMD love titles (Bordelands 3, for example) where it exceeds the 3070 and thousands of other games where it does not. And he never will.
Texture affects the game's primary artwork and should at least match $399 PS5. The asking price for RX 6700 XT is around $320 USD.

RTX 4060 Ti's $399 asking price competes against RX 6750 XT 12 GB and is close to RX 6800 16 GB prices.

RX 6750 XT 12 GB reached $359.99

RX 6800 16 GB reached $489.99


RX 6750 XT is faster than RX 6700 XT.

Higher VRAM capacity is useful in reducing stutters and reducing texture quality problems i.e., high-resolution textures not being loaded.

RX 6750 XT 12 GB is the direct price competitor against RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB.
RX 6750 XT has 16X lanes PCIe support which is useful for PCIe 3.0 X16 motherboard chipsets.
 
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RX 6750 XT 12 GB is the direct price competitor against RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB. RX 6750 XT has 16X lanes PCIe support which is useful for PCIe 3.0 X16 motherboard chipsets.
6750 XT had a launch price $549, that is 150 more than 400 of the 4060 Ti.

Depending on the region, 6750 XT can still be more expensive than 4060 Ti - even now being an old gen product on sale.
 
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Higher VRAM capacity is useful in reducing stutters and reducing texture quality problems i.e., high-resolution textures not being loaded.

RX 6750 XT 12 GB is the direct price competitor against RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB.
RX 6750 XT has 16X lanes PCIe support which is useful for PCIe 3.0 X16 motherboard chipsets.
The problem is with the power of the graphics processor to render frames. It performs a lot of calculations to build a frame. What do you do with the textures if the graphics processor renders 50 fps?
Real world example.
GPU: architect, builders
Texture: carpentry.
Carpenters cannot work on the 10th floor if the builder works on the 5th floor.

In conclusion, I would not buy the 4060 Ti. Because of the prices, not the memory. An old card (3000 or 6000) with a minimum discount, no way!
I'm super happy with the 3070Ti in the short time I've been using it. Of course, I would like a 4090 in some games, but even so, my anger did not go away because, two years ago, I had to buy an expensive and far too powerful video card for most of the games that take up my time . A 3050 next to igp was better (old games, melancholy). I was aiming for a 3060 (Ti) for a spare.
If you are pressed by the budget, there is a saying: I am too poor to make compromises. It should be taken into account when making a purchase that involves financial effort. You never know when you will need the new technologies and then you will regret it.
 
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It seems that you do not understand the meaning of some things that are easy to understand.

1. When you are below 60 fps, 10 fps more makes the transition from horrible to acceptable.
So I guess Nvidia does not work that well on a Freesync monitor. That makes playing Games like Total War and getting smooth frames even if it is in the 40s but what is the Freesync range? 48-144 on HDMI and 48-165 on DP 1.4. Since you only have intimate knowledge of Nvidia you probably don't appreciate that about Frreesync. Regardless of your narrative the 6700XT is the top selling card on Newegg Canada.
 
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6750 XT had a launch price $549, that is 150 more than 400 of the 4060 Ti.

Depending on the region, 6750 XT can still be more expensive than 4060 Ti - even now being an old gen product on sale.
The 6750 XT's ridiculous launch price was due to the post-crypto hangover. The 4060 Ti doesn't have that excuse. As far as regional pricing is concerned, in most of the world, the 6750 XT is cheaper than the 4060 Ti. In any case, the 6700 XT is much cheaper than either one of those. In the US, new ones can be had for just over 300 dollars.

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Forget NCIX, Tiger Direct was the cat's meow. I remember just going in to browse and always seeing deals on things. That was the days of buying 3 core Phenom chips and using your MB to unlock the other core for $35-40. Newegg is the best for new stuff though as they are tied directly to their US stock database. Canada Computers is good if you live close to one and can find good clearance deals. I remember getting the Corsair headset before the Void Pro for $49 on clearance. I do wish we could get a Micro Center though. Bestbuy is actually good for sales of pop culture like Seagate 530 drives and AMD CPUs.
Tiger Direct wasn't local for me. I purchased some pretty decent equipment from them mind you. My Sempron 2500+ was from tiger direct. I was a huge fan of their Ultra brand though. The cases and PSU's were really good quality for how cheap they were. I dont think it was their brand but they were only one I knew who carried it here in Canada.
 
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Canada Computers is good if you live close to one and can find good clearance deals.
I've had good luck with Canada Computers. Luckily, there has always been one within a few minutes of wherever I have lived.
 
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So I guess Nvidia does not work that well on a Freesync monitor. That makes playing Games like Total War and getting smooth frames even if it is in the 40s but what is the Freesync range? 48-144 on HDMI and 48-165 on DP 1.4. Since you only have intimate knowledge of Nvidia you probably don't appreciate that about Frreesync. Regardless of your narrative the 6700XT is the top selling card on Newegg Canada.
FreeSync Premium: yes, but it requires a compatible monitor
FreeSync: bullshit!!! Radeon owners say it. The ordinary ones, not the Taliban.
Nvidia has G-Sync and only DP is needed for activation. Works on any FreeSync compatible monitor. There are no big differences between the two and they don't work wonders at an excretable framerate.

A small parenthesis: g-sync or freesync have some success in removing the tearing effect. Not to be confused with framerate, frametime's brother. With an average of 50 fps and a low of 30 fps, the frametime offers an unpleasant experience for the eyes.
Monitor 120 or more fps + video card below 60 fps = Charlie Chaplin effect

As for sales, I'm not interested in a video card right now. When I will be, I pray that all buyers flock to the competition to increase the chances of a good price for me. :peace:

Question: where is FSR 3???
With 2.x, AMD is humiliated by DLSS. I bet that even 3.0 won't stand a chance against DLSS 3 because AMD cards lack the hardware component for success in front of "green" video cards.
 
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FreeSync Premium: yes, but it requires a compatible monitor
FreeSync: bullshit!!! Radeon owners say it. The ordinary ones, not the Taliban.
Nvidia has G-Sync and only DP is needed for activation. Works on any FreeSync compatible monitor. There are no big differences between the two and they don't work wonders at an excretable framerate.

A small parenthesis: g-sync or freesync have some success in removing the tearing effect. Not to be confused with framerate, frametime's brother. With an average of 50 fps and a low of 30 fps, the frametime offers an unpleasant experience for the eyes.
Monitor 120 or more fps + video card below 60 fps = Charlie Chaplin effect

As for sales, I'm not interested in a video card right now. When I will be, I pray that all buyers flock to the competition to increase the chances of a good price for me. :peace:

Question: where is FSR 3???
With 2.x, AMD is humiliated by DLSS. I bet that even 3.0 won't stand a chance against DLSS 3 because AMD cards lack the hardware component for success in front of "green" video cards.
I stopped reading after your insult about the Taliban reference. I guess VRR is stupid too as it's just another name for Freesync and as far as availability goes I can see maybe 5 to 10 monitors that have Gsync hardware and you brought it but what do you think the power draw would be with an OLED panel with a Gsync module attached?

So I kept going against my wishes and almost fell off my chair when you claimed that it only has some success at removing tearing. If you are a noob and run Freesync and Vsync together you will probably see what you describe. As Sync is directly the monitor's refresh rate and the GPU frame rate synchronization to remove not just tearing but also stuttering, while the other is limiting the monitor to a set refresh rate.

FSR 3? I can tell you that as someone that owns a 7900XT I could care less about FSR whatever. There is no Game that does not deliver high frame rates at 4k native with this card and how can you tout a service that you are locked out from with your 3070TI because you will need that in about a year with all the console Games being made on AMD hardware so you better hope FSR 3 is good because it's the only one available to you.

The 4060TI is a card at the point where the software package has a greater impact on performance but raw performance is meh vs the previous Gen. So it's like the 8700K vs the 9700K from Intel.
 
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