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[AusWolf]

I'm interested as long as it's done correctly - and i see the E-cores as an absolute failure when they're less efficient. AMD's C cores seem far more interesting, since their basic performance is identical to the regular cores, just with less cache - giving 8 cores with 3D cache and 8/12/16 with 1/4 cache for memory intensive tasks seems like a perfect way to balance the system, since performance is still equal for most tasks between the cores.

The problem is, it still relies on the OS scheduler to work correctly all the time, which it doesn't.

 

[Mussels]

The problem is, it still relies on the OS scheduler to work correctly all the time, which it doesn't.

AMD seem to have solved that with software/chipset drivers, isnt there a software toggle to force apps to use the 3D/non 3D as you wish?

I recall w1zz's review mentioning it, but havent looked into it

 

[Nordic]

Which game would that be?

I've mentioned it a few times but in the last 100 pages but that is easily lost and forgotten. The game is Star Citizen. It is a poorly optimized alpha that is very single threaded and bandwidth demanding in its current state. I don't think the 7800x3d will have the performance I want but it is the best performance I can get.

 

[AusWolf]

AMD seem to have solved that with software/chipset drivers, isnt there a software toggle to force apps to use the 3D/non 3D as you wish?

I recall w1zz's review mentioning it, but havent looked into it

I think so, but I haven't looked into it, either.

I've mentioned it a few times but in the last 100 pages but that is easily lost and forgotten. The game is Star Citizen. It is a poorly optimized alpha that is very single threaded and bandwidth demanding in its current state. I don't think the 7800x3d will have the performance I want but it is the best performance I can get.

If the 7800X3D isn't fast enough, then what is?

 

[tabascosauz]

I've mentioned it a few times but in the last 100 pages but that is easily lost and forgotten. The game is Star Citizen. It is a poorly optimized alpha that is very single threaded and bandwidth demanding in its current state. I don't think the 7800x3d will have the performance I want but it is the best performance I can get.

Sounds very similar to custom SC2 AI games with near-max unit population and inhibitor zones, or high AI population Arma 3 servers, where fps will still drop to very low double digits or even single digits while CPU usage and clock remains very low. I think 7800X3D might improve a little bit but I'm not sure I would expect any significant uplift. X3D likes games that are CPU-bound, not really games that have dumpster fire optimization. If anything it will be interesting to see the results.

I learned my lesson with DCS - what drew me in were hordes of 5800X3D owners reporting 50%+ gains in avg fps in VR, but in non-VR Vcache makes very little difference. Even less now, almost negligible, ever since they introduced multithreading and took the load off the single core. Funnily enough there was actually a mission with a lot of AI scripting that would actually perform worse on the X3D compared to non-X3D, with constant long stutters, before the multithreading update (Overwhelming Force for F-16C).

 

[Nordic]

Sounds very similar to custom SC2 AI games with near-max unit population and inhibitor zones, or high AI population Arma 3 servers, where fps will still drop to very low double digits or even single digits while CPU usage and clock remains very low. I think 7800X3D might improve a little bit but I'm not sure I would expect any significant uplift. X3D likes games that are CPU-bound, not really games that have dumpster fire optimization. If anything it will be interesting to see the results.

I learned my lesson with DCS - what drew me in were hordes of 5800X3D owners reporting 50%+ gains in avg fps in VR, but in non-VR Vcache makes very little difference. Even less now, almost negligible, ever since they introduced multithreading and took the load off the single core. Funnily enough there was actually a mission with a lot of AI scripting that would actually perform worse on the X3D compared to non-X3D, with constant long stutters, before the multithreading update (Overwhelming Force for F-16C).

There are a few people who do regular testing in game with different patches and different hardware. 5800x3d shows 40% gains over the 5800x. The 7800x3d is the only cpu that will get you 60 fps most of the time. Fighting for 60 fps minimum sounds sad but I am hoping with further hardware improvements and the slow trickle of optimizations that I can get higher.

If the 7800X3D isn't fast enough, then what is?

AMD R9 9800x3d

 

[R-T-B]

Thats how i get the odd goodies too, sadly my friendliest contacts are all gone - 3DChipset vanished overnight, and OCZ died after the SSD failures ate into their income too fast

You sure they don't just see your avatar and "nope" outta there?

...because pretty sure that's what happened to me.

 

[tabascosauz]

So I got my G14 up and running

Things are great. Running with the 6700S disabled all the time, it's just a faster, cooler ultrabook with a divine 144Hz screen. 6900HS somehow delivers better responsiveness without more power draw then 6800U, and only gets better with CO.

Seems the 680M would much rather drive a 1920x1200 144hz display than a 2880x1800 60hz; the Windows animations on the S 13 OLED were a pretty horrific slideshow.

 

[Mussels]

Sounds very similar to custom SC2 AI games with near-max unit population and inhibitor zones, or high AI population Arma 3 servers, where fps will still drop to very low double digits or even single digits while CPU usage and clock remains very low. I think 7800X3D might improve a little bit but I'm not sure I would expect any significant uplift. X3D likes games that are CPU-bound, not really games that have dumpster fire optimization. If anything it will be interesting to see the results.

I learned my lesson with DCS - what drew me in were hordes of 5800X3D owners reporting 50%+ gains in avg fps in VR, but in non-VR Vcache makes very little difference. Even less now, almost negligible, ever since they introduced multithreading and took the load off the single core. Funnily enough there was actually a mission with a lot of AI scripting that would actually perform worse on the X3D compared to non-X3D, with constant long stutters, before the multithreading update (Overwhelming Force for F-16C).

5800x3D drastically changed my performance in SC2

The next step is DXVK, but i'm unsure how aggressive their anticheat will be

 

[AusWolf]

Fine... if the missus asks, you guys forced me.

Speaking of force (The Force), I got Jedi: Fallen Order with it for free. The promotion only lasts 'till 1st July, so I had to pull the trigger before my holiday.

Anyway, this is gonna be my last PC upgrade in 2023-24... unless the 8800X3D blows my mind next year and I can sell this for a decent price.

 

[R-T-B]

Fine... if the missus asks, you guys forced me.

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Speaking of force (The Force), I got Jedi: Fallen Order with it for free. The promotion only lasts 'till 1st July, so I had to pull the trigger before my holiday.

Anyway, this is gonna be my last PC upgrade in 2023-24... unless the 8800X3D blows my mind next year and I can sell this for a decent price.

Sounds more like The Force forced you.

 

[AusWolf]

Sounds more like The Force forced you.

True. In a way, I just bought an extremely expensive game and got a CPU with it for free.

 

[R-T-B]

True. In a way, I just bought an extremely expensive game and got a CPU with it for free.

Personally, I bought an extremely expensive CPU, and sold the game into force slavery to my brother. He's playing it now on a... i7-6700. I kid you not.

(Not that it's a bad game or anything, I just have too big of a backlog. Still when I heard he was playing it on non-K skylake quadcore stuff I wanted to die a bit inside)

 

[AusWolf]

Personally, I bought an extremely expensive CPU, and sold the game into force slavery to my brother. He's playing it now on a... i7-6700. I kid you not.

How did that work?

I've just tried to link the game to my Steam account, but I have to download and run the AMD Product Verification Tool that checks if I have the CPU installed before proceeding. I wanted to do the swap over the weekend, but the promotion will be over by then, which will complicate things.

 

[R-T-B]

How did that work?

I've just tried to link the game to my Steam account, but I have to download and run the AMD Product Verification Tool that checks if I have the CPU installed before proceeding. I wanted to do the swap over the weekend, but the promotion will be over by then, which will complicate things.

I did the validation for him on my 7950X and then linked it to his account. Yeah, he had to trust me with his login, but I am his brother and he'd beat the shit out of me if I pulled anything... so he probably felt safe giving me the password.

As for how it works, uh, sort of? He has a GTX 1080 too lol (it would be a 970 if I didn't swoop in earlier and fix that). I think I remember him telling me "first one ran better, this one needs patching."

He's right, but his PC also needs patching. I'm not saying anything though. It's some sort of awful HP Omen small(ish) form factor thingy. The GTX 1080 may kill it's PSU sooner than later. If it does, I'll help out, I'm sure. It always happens somehow...

 

[AusWolf]

I did the validation for him on my 7950X and then linked it to his account. Yeah, he had to trust me with his login, but I am his brother and he'd beat the shit out of me if I pulled anything... so he probably felt safe giving me the password.

Hm... I'm wondering if I could do the validation with my 7700X. I just don't want to lose the game if the validator checks my serial number or something and realizes that I've had the CPU nearly since its launch.

 

[R-T-B]

Hm... I'm wondering if I could do the validation with my 7700X. I just don't want to lose the game if the validator checks my serial number or something and realizes that I've had the CPU nearly since its launch.

I honestly have no idea. I pulled a fast one but I had a legit CPU at least for the promo... lol.

 

[AusWolf]

I honestly have no idea. I pulled a fast one but I had a legit CPU at least for the promo... lol.

Point taken. I'll try to make some time to install the CPU tomorrow, just in case. At least I'll have a bit more time to test it over the weekend, I guess.

Update: I figured I actually have more time today than I will tomorrow, so I installed the CPU. First start, 6000 MHz EXPO on the RAM, 1.2 V on the SoC, it starts right up!

There must be something wrong... In the TPU review, it ran way cooler than the non-X3D chips, but when I fired up Cinebench, core temperature jumped to the max. 89 °C within a couple of seconds, and I ended up with 17000 points with only 80-ish W consumed... under a 280 mm AIO! Maybe my pasting wasn't the best, but it idles only a couple degrees higher than the 7700X, so it seems to be OK.

Anybody with similar experience?

 

[Nordic]

Let's play a game called I am totally not shopping. It seems like the Gigabyte B650M DS3H and Asrock b650m-hdv are fantastic budget boards. Going upto something like the Asrock 650 pg lightning might be worthwhile. The Asus Strix b650e is tempting despite the high price.

 

[AusWolf]

Right, I've ordered the Thermal Grizzly offset cooler mount, I hope that'll help bring the temperature under control. Just when I said, no more upgrades this year... For the time being, I'm keeping the boost and EXPO off - the CPU is a beast anyway.

Let's play a game called I am totally not shopping. It seems like the Gigabyte B650M DS3H and Asrock b650m-hdv are fantastic budget boards. Going upto something like the Asrock 650 pg lightning might be worthwhile. The Asus Strix b650e is tempting despite the high price.

I wouldn't look at a truly budget board on AM5, unless you're planning to use it with a non-X CPU. Asus Tuf or MSi Pro are the ideal "budget" options here, imo.

 

[Mussels]

Point taken. I'll try to make some time to install the CPU tomorrow, just in case. At least I'll have a bit more time to test it over the weekend, I guess.

Update: I figured I actually have more time today than I will tomorrow, so I installed the CPU. First start, 6000 MHz EXPO on the RAM, 1.2 V on the SoC, it starts right up!

There must be something wrong... In the TPU review, it ran way cooler than the non-X3D chips, but when I fired up Cinebench, core temperature jumped to the max. 89 °C within a couple of seconds, and I ended up with 17000 points with only 80-ish W consumed... under a 280 mm AIO! Maybe my pasting wasn't the best, but it idles only a couple degrees higher than the 7700X, so it seems to be OK.

Anybody with similar experience?

If you use HWinfo you'll see the PPT/EDC/TDC values your board has chosen for you - odds are you've got unlimited PBO going on
That said, if its truly 80W at full load and that hot - 100% the cooler isn't on right. AM4 compatible coolers can be over tightened and tilted on an angle, so check it's on correctly.

Edit: After checking yes, that cooler uses two screw mounts so over tightening one can easily tilt it and screw with temps. Make sure the pump is on a controllable header and lock it to a manual speed with PWM for power. I'm not familiar with them first hand, but a lot of AIO's can set the pump to 100% silently - it's the fans you need controlled

 

[AusWolf]

If you use HWinfo you'll see the PPT/EDC/TDC values your board has chosen for you - odds are you've got unlimited PBO going on
That said, if its truly 80W at full load and that hot - 100% the cooler isn't on right. AM4 compatible coolers can be over tightened and tilted on an angle, so check it's on correctly.

Edit: After checking yes, that cooler uses two screw mounts so over tightening one can easily tilt it and screw with temps. Make sure the pump is on a controllable header and lock it to a manual speed with PWM for power. I'm not familiar with them first hand, but a lot of AIO's can set the pump to 100% silently - it's the fans you need controlled

Yep, it's definitely 80 W max. With boost turned off, it uses around 55-60 W which gives me 72-75 °C max (in Cinebench all-core).

I chose this AIO because it doesn't have all the USB bollocks other AIOs tend to have these days - everything is controlled via headers, and my pump speed is a constant 100%.

I thought about remounting it today, but my TG offset mount is arriving tomorrow, so I'll try with that. I'm not the happiest with the two-screw mount on my cooler, but I'd rather have this than software control.

 

[TheLostSwede]

How did that work?

I've just tried to link the game to my Steam account, but I have to download and run the AMD Product Verification Tool that checks if I have the CPU installed before proceeding. I wanted to do the swap over the weekend, but the promotion will be over by then, which will complicate things.

You just need to go to their site and enter the code there and then you can exchange the game until the end of July.
Promotional Dates: January 24 – June 30, 2023 (Now Extended)
Redemption Period: January 24 – July 29, 2023 (Now Extended)

 

[Mussels]

Yep, it's definitely 80 W max. With boost turned off, it uses around 55-60 W which gives me 72-75 °C max (in Cinebench all-core).

I chose this AIO because it doesn't have all the USB bollocks other AIOs tend to have these days - everything is controlled via headers, and my pump speed is a constant 100%.

I thought about remounting it today, but my TG offset mount is arriving tomorrow, so I'll try with that. I'm not the happiest with the two-screw mount on my cooler, but I'd rather have this than software control.

check the fluid for an airpocket too, could have got stuck in the pump in your rebuild with the new CPU

Those have a convenient fill port to top em up, it helps

 

[AusWolf]

check the fluid for an airpocket too, could have got stuck in the pump in your rebuild with the new CPU

Those have a convenient fill port to top em up, it helps

Good idea, I'll check. Though if that was the case, I'd hear some gurgling, wouldn't I?