ASUS GeForce RTX 4060 Dual OC

[catulitechup]

I dont like hardware unboxed but a main phrase of this video are so funny and true at same time

 

[grammar_phreak]

Oh Snap.... I completely forgot about these reviews going live today. Usually I pay attention to such things.

IMO, I think Nvidia reduced the memory bus in order to detour Ethereum miners.... and just decided to stick with things the way they post merger.

Yahoo did the same thing to combat trolling. They punished the user to detour whatever they didn't want on their site.

 

[megaclite]

4060 is just a designation number in the product stack showing it's at the low end. Nothing more. it's not supposed to carry over from the last generation in the sense that it can even be slower than the predecessor. The rules are not set in stone. In fact there are no rules. Yeah I just say that but Nvidia makes the rules.

It's not a fraud. look at the prices of eggs. I can go out and buy 10 eggs and 500g of lentils and stay alive for 2 days and it would cost me double compared to a 2020 or 2018 can't remember exactly.

The point is why do you expect that $300 in 2023 will buy you the same kind of tier as in 2018, you are getting less amount, the eggs you are getting now for the same price are M not XL.

in 2018 and 2020 you had 2x bigger die size for less money and GDDR6 was more expensive back then (new memory type > shortage > corona) while now its 30$ for 8gb

 

[usiname]

Oh Snap.... I completely forgot about these reviews going live today. Usually I pay attention to such things.

IMO, I think Nvidia reduced the memory bus in order to detour Ethereum miners.... and just decided to stick with things the way they post merger.

Yahoo did the same thing to combat trolling. They punished the user to detour whatever they didn't want on their site.

1. Ethereum mining with GPU was known that it would die 1 years before the release of rtx 4000
2. The memory bus and speed of 4090 is same as 3090/ti, 4080 has same bandwidth as 3080. The only difference is the scaling, if you look at how many cores are cut from higher to lower model, you will see that the memory bus make absolute sense, just each card bellow 4070ti is 1 tier down, and 4070ti is not that fast as you will expect considering the jump of 4090
3. They have LHR, which was not cracked yet

3090ti has 320% more cores than 3050
3090ti has 200% more cores than 3060
4090 has 435% more cores than 4060,
if nvidia release 4090ti with 18176:
4090ti will has 490% more cores than 4060
Just the jacket cannot milking like in the mining crisis and now is selling something that cannot be called even 4050 as 4060

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Is there a chart showing 1440p and 4k results?
Since all the reviews are showing the 4060 could lose to a 3060 in some games above 1080p, maybe we should put those in account before calling it 【Not a turd】
If a product is really technically superior in every aspects it should outperform the previous generation in every aspects.
If it is just outperforming the previous generation in some specific scenarios but loses in some, I would call it a sidegrade instead of an upgrade.

Yeah, it's a bit of a side-grade. But that's somewhat true in most cases. Massive jumps in the same segment in a single generation, the kind that would cause a person to seriously consider an upgrade, are the exception rather than the rule. General advice is usually to skip at least one gen. 1440p and 4k charts are available, but 60-series cards are targeted mainly at the 1080p market, so I don't consider those results terribly relevant.

Not to mention it is consistently losing to the 6700XT, which is competitor's last generation price competitive offerings atm.

The 6700 XT def smacks the 4060 around in $/perf, but one needs to pick a comparison metric. The easiest is product segment, i.e. comparing only 6-segment cards against each other as I did above. Price is also an option, either RRP or street. Power envelope can also be used. The only of those in which the 4060 and 6700 XT are similar is street price. 6700 XT is one (or two) tiers up, had a launch price of $180 higher (though street is more like $350 atm), and twice the rated power. Starting at Maxwell, 80-series cards went from 165 - 180 - 215 - 320W. The 4080 is considered impressive vs. the 3080 because it performs 30% better within the same power envelope, and it costs more to boot. A lot more. Yet the 4060 accomplishes equal or better performance to the 3060 for 30% less power while costing less, and it gets decried as a turd and a waste of sand.

4090 has 435% more cores than 4060,
3090ti has 200% more cores than 3060
3090ti has 320% more cores than 3050
Just the jacket cannot milking like in the mining crisis and now is selling something that cannot be called even 4050 as 4060

You're letting Nvidia recalibrate the performance scale. 90-class cards are outliers when considering historical norms. 50-series cards Maxwell to Turing were sub-100W, sub-$150 cards that could only manage 1080p60 with reduced settings in contemporary titles. The Palit 4060 Dual (chosen because it runs at reference clocks) pulls a 96fps average in the current test battery at 1080p, with only two titles averaging below 60. At 120 watts. With RT, Nvidia decided they could tack on an extra hundred bucks and hundred watts to everything and move every tier upmarket. And we let them.

EDIT: typo

 

[megaclite]

if Nvidia so retarded i have a receipt for them how to make a graphics card with +15-20% uplift while being cheaper and better
You dont need to create new chip design, take old GA106-300 > port it to Samsung 7/5nm node > put any G6/X 19gbps
Result: you have same 3060 12GB but with 10-20% gpu clock uplif and +26% memory clock uplift (1875 >2375) while being on cheaper Samsung node
only minus: lack of DLSS3 gimmick and higher TDP

 

[Pumper]

You should push the YT videos harder here, I've not seen one, might be my usual phone App use though.

The YT reviews could be posted on the first page of the text reviews, in case people prefer video.

 

[Crackong]

The 4080 is considered impressive vs. the 3080 because it performs 30% better within the same power envelope, and it costs more to boot. A lot more. Yet the 4060 accomplishes equal or better performance to the 3060 for 30% less power while costing less, and it gets decried as a turd and a waste of sand.

I don't think the 4080 vs 3080 comparison is applicable here with their massive 72% price hike.

The 4060 slots right in Nvidia's own price/perf structure but simply didn't recognize the【Real World Pricing】 is way more competitive.
If the 4060 only has its own brothers like 3060/Ti/4060Ti to compete with, then it is Okay.
But the real market has competitors, and Nvidia's own flooded second hand cards.
It simply cannot compete.
It is a 50 tier card trying to act as a 60, a $249 price tag is more suitable.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Really Nvidia, only a few % faster than the 7600 a very ordinary card at anything over $220. At $240 4060 would be decent.

Anyway IMO the 4060 should be AD106, 160bit bus, 10GB $300, and the single 4060 Ti model should be AD106, 12GB 192 bit bus $400. AD107 should be for 4050 series.

 

[Frick]

Agreed. Many of us prefer the written word for its descriptive power and nuance, but for the younger people, video seems to be the the way to go.

i think we should ban reading on the internet, clearly the best way to find out which card has the best cooler is to watch a 30 minute video instead of spending several seconds looking at graphs

 

[W1zzard]

For witcher 3 - I’m assuming it’s not updated so benchmarks are consistent or would all the new updates matter??

I'm still using the old version, the new version is still a bit rough around the edges. Also not sure if even worth the update, right now you can go back many years and compare my Witcher 3 performance in all cards

any plans of a transistors/fps chart?

No plans

the best way to find out which card has the best cooler is to watch a 30 minute video instead of spending several seconds looking at graphs

That specific chart is included in all my reviews. Our videos are short for exactly that reason, even though they won't get the attention, because the YT algorithm promotes videos longer than 20 minutes

 

[Frick]

That specific chart is included in all my reviews. Our videos are short for exactly that reason, even though they won't get the attention, because the YT algorithm promotes videos longer than 20 minutes

Yeah I know, it was more a comment on the modern internet in general, where apparently the best way to look at graphs is in the form of youtube videos.

 

[Taisho]

It's sad that the gaming power consumption in all MSRP 4060s is significantly worse than the spec. Igorslab already wrote that it's not because of the chip itself but because of the AIBs cheaping out on the components, and some of the OC over-MSRP models will be counterintuitively more power efficient.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Mx450 won't be prevalent in laptops going forward , I suppose this is what they chose to do with those chips.

 

[trog100]

if you need more gpu grunt buy a used 3080..

trog

 

[LuxZg]

Is there a chart showing 1440p and 4k results?
Since all the reviews are showing the 4060 could lose to a 3060 in some games above 1080p, maybe we should put those in account before calling it 【Not a turd】
If a product is really technically superior in every aspects it should outperform the previous generation in every aspects.
If it is just outperforming the previous generation in some specific scenarios but loses in some, I would call it a sidegrade instead of an upgrade.

Not to mention it is consistently losing to the 6700XT, which is competitor's last generation price competitive offerings atm.

This exactly. It's even worse if you look at higher resolutions. Unfortunately we don't have 4K numbers for something like 760, so we can't see whole picture. But I dont think we ever had a situation where Nvidia card of same designation lost vs the predecessor, in no way, under no conditions, in none of tests. This gen they cut everything, and it shows. We get "better RT" but it actually loses in RT tests vs 3060. How is that possible? 4060 has an average of 18% only in raster at 1080p, in all other scenarios it's worse than 3060 (edit: I meant to say it's less than that optimistic 18%). That should never happen. It's one step forward, two steps back.

And yes, Pascal 1060 was awesome, and sort of makes our expectations unrealistic, but could we at least have 20-25% straightforward increase in performance after 2 years? If they simply put 3060 to TSMC 5nm the added clock difference would probably be larger than what we got with 4060. So all I can say is - this sucks. And I hope people get educated and skip this. I'd rather point people to 6700 XT than RTX 4060, cheaper, better raster, and neither will do great at RT (so not really a selling point), and DLSS won't really help you on average (if 2% games offer 50% more FPS with DLSS, that's still negligible increase on average).

There's just no sensible excuse for 4060 lackluster performance.

 

[W1zzard]

If they simply put 3060 to TSMC 5nm the added clock difference would probably be larger than what we got with 4060.

no doubt, but the chip would be much more expensive to make. AD107 is only 146 mm², whereas GA106 is 276 mm², would be nice if NVIDIA actually gave us some of those cost savings back .. yeah, yeah "but lower MSRP", I know

 

[64K]

Nvidia shot themselves in the foot in their pursuit of greed. This RTX 4060 isn't an xx60 class GPU. It's an xx50 class GPU. It's the successor to the RTX 3050. If it had been named a RTX 4050 and had an MSRP of no more than $250 like the RTX 3050 at launch then we could be comparing an average increase in performance of around 40% over the 3050 for the same price which would make for favorable reviews on this GPU. As it is now......it's just sad.

 

[LuxZg]

no doubt, but the chip would be much more expensive to make. AD107 is only 146 mm², whereas GA106 is 276 mm², would be nice if NVIDIA actually gave us some of those cost savings back .. yeah, yeah "but lower MSRP", I know

Yes, they sort of gave us lower power consumption and lower price, but only compared to RTX predecessors that increased those levels way too much. So even with lower power it's not really at Pascal levels, and either is the price (maybe once you count in the inflation).

They definitely saved more in BOM than they lowered the price, so again the gross margins will go up. They went from 10% a decade ago, to 35% before RTX, to 65% a year or two ago, probably aiming for 100% in 2023/24.

So whenever someone says these cards are "reasonably priced" I get a tough decision - cry myself out, laugh at their joke, or punch them straight into face

 

[Assimilator]

Ugh. Everything about this card is bad and depressing and I wish NVIDIA would stop wasting sand and our time. 4060's existence at this price point is honestly pissing in the eye of god. I've been a PC-only gamer for almost two decades and with the stupid greed in PC component prices nowadays, I may actually have to consider buying a console to game on. The thought quite literally makes me sick.

I know I've spent a lot of time s**tting on Intel and hoping that their foray into GPUs fails because they did such a poor job, but I'm now hoping that they persevere and that Battlemage is actually released and is actually good and actually sensibly priced. We've never needed real competition in the GPU market, especially at the high end, more than we do now.

I'm just... sad. Really, that sums up my feelings right now about the state of the GPU market. Greed, greed, and greed.

One question I have: can anyone explain how the hell are the 4060's so damn hot that only a 2.5-slot or bigger cooler can tame it?

They're not, but GPU manufacturers fired most of their engineers and replaced them with marketing drones years ago, and the only thing that marketing drones understand is that bigger is better. The result is GPUs with unnecessarily large coolers and RGB up the wazoo.

 

[Garrus]

if Nvidia so retarded i have a receipt for them how to make a graphics card with +15-20% uplift while being cheaper and better
You dont need to create new chip design, take old GA106-300 > port it to Samsung 7/5nm node > put any G6/X 19gbps
Result: you have same 3060 12GB but with 10-20% gpu clock uplif and +26% memory clock uplift (1875 >2375) while beign on cheaper Samsung node
only minus: lack of DLSS3 gimmick and higher TDP

Exactly. Well said. The 4060 is a terrible card. Just shrink the 3060 12GB and add faster memory and in every way it is superior. Vastly so.

It needed to beat the 3060 Ti, have more than 8GB VRAM, and not be so horrid at 1440p and 4k. Fail.

 

[wNotyarD]

They're not, but GPU manufacturers fired most of their engineers and replaced them with marketing drones years ago, and the only thing that marketing drones understand is that bigger is better. The result is GPUs with unnecessarily large coolers and RGB up the wazoo.

How are they not? Looking at all the 4060s reviewed here at TPU, only the 2.5-slot Asus is cold.
With such a small chip, one would think that you shouldn't even need a double-fan cooler.

EDIT: rereading the reviews, Galax's is also as cold. Being as loud as a jet turbine.

 

[Mahboi]

7060 17% better than this 40(60).

I wonder how most online reviewers only found a near equality?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

How are they not? Looking at all the 4060s reviewed here at TPU, only the 2.5-slot Asus is cold.
With such a small chip, one would think that you shouldn't even need a double-fan cooler.

Well tbf.

The smaller chip with equal power in at a higher frequency.

With increasing density and reduced size with higher frequency, there is less material to cool with more heat elements in it.

Plus Cost optimised cooler's.

 

[wNotyarD]

Well tbf.

The smaller chip with equal power in at a higher frequency.

With increasing density and reduced size with higher frequency, there is less material to cool with more heat elements in it.

Plus Cost optimised cooler's.

That's where it's all haywire. If Ngreedia underclocked it and name it what it truly should be and priced it accordingly as a 50, it would be amazing. But as a 60?