Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[R-T-B]

Update: Gentoo sure likes to push my cores all the way to the limit thermally speaking. I had to drop-off my all-core OC (before you say I am losing performance, lol, not with gentoo that pounds 32 threads regularly) from 5.2Ghz to 5.1Ghz because I was actually tripping some thermal warnings in the log. Now much more reasonable.

EDIT: And no, my cores aren't that magically even thermally. Gentoo just doesn't know how to interpret the cpu thermal diode I chose for the "hotspot" as anything but 32 sensors for each chip, lol.

 

[kapone32]

not always - gurgling is when its moving, if its small it can be stuck in weird places

Having a custom loop with transparent blocks helped understand just how easily that can happen, i had bubbles stuck in place for weeks at one point, even when i could see them and shake the PC to get them to move they'd reform in the same spot til i adjust the loop design to make them form somewhere else

That's the idea behind being specific with AIO radiator placement, to encourage the bubbles to form in the end of the res instead of the pump, block, or tubing

AIO coolants vary a ton, but the thicker ones have tiny tiny bubbles that are slow to move/merge/pop - pinhead sized, not pea sized

Just had that gurgling today building a hyper Watercooled system with 3 GPUs.

 

[AusWolf]

Dark Rock 4 or Dark Rock 4 Pro? Seems about right for DR4. Maybe less impressive on the part of the air-cooler, more just embarrassing performance from the AIO.

Why auto-PBO any single CCD CPU? Seems pretty counterproductive.

Dark Rock 4 (non-Pro). It was 20 quid cheaper than the Pro, and a bit easier to install. I was considering the Pro, but I figured there would be no use for it on a locked CPU. I'm happy with my choice.

To be honest, I only enabled Auto PBO to see if it changes anything either performance, or temperature-wise, but it really doesn't.

 

[the54thvoid]

Sooooooooooooo......

I've got my 7800X3D running but on the lastest, EXPO crippling, BIOS. To be honest, I'm happy enough to run at default frequency, but I bought 6000MHz Kingston Fury, so it'd be nice to use it at that speed. My question is (having never touched memory voltages), what should I adjust in BIOS (MSI MAG B650 Mortar), and by how much. I ran a quick CPU-Z bench to monitor transient levels. This is with zero OC.

Screenshot taken after quick CPU-Z bench (HWiNFO running during) - so the maximums are relevant, not current.

 

[tabascosauz]

I don't think anyone would disagree that up to 1.2V VSOC is a pretty safe margin to give yourself, without any problems.

Truth is always somewhere in the middle; no, you don't usually need crazy 1.35V to sustain 3000MHz UCLK, but you still need *some* VSOC that is more than you would need for JEDEC (2400MHz).

 

[kapone32]

Just for a reference point here is mine.

 

[AusWolf]

Sooooooooooooo......

I've got my 7800X3D running but on the lastest, EXPO crippling, BIOS. To be honest, I'm happy enough to run at default frequency, but I bought 6000MHz Kingston Fury, so it'd be nice to use it at that speed. My question is (having never touched memory voltages), what should I adjust in BIOS (MSI MAG B650 Mortar), and by how much. I ran a quick CPU-Z bench to monitor transient levels. This is with zero OC.

Screenshot taken after quick CPU-Z bench (HWiNFO running during) - so the maximums are relevant, not current.

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Which BIOS do you mean? I'm on 1.80 with the Pro B650M-A, and everything's fine. I just enable EXPO, restart, go back to the BIOS, set SoC voltage to 1.1 V, restart, go back to the BIOS again, and set SoC voltage back to Auto. That drops it from 1.3 V to 1.19 V while keeping the Auto setting for some reason.

Edit: I see your CPU's core preference order is almost the same as mine.

 

[freeagent]

I have a strange issue with my board.

I plugged in my 5900X and mistakenly chose an X3D profile..

Now I have no Advanced PBO in the back AMD section. But the Asus one works, though I cant fine tune it like I could before, and I have to throw hella power at it, and its still not as good.

Its like I flashed the CPU. I tried different AGESA versions, but the OC section is still greyed out, like on X3D.

Grr.

 

[the54thvoid]

Not going to lie - the bios info is overload for me. I'll go to bed now, up at 5.30am to write, then I'll post some screenshots later tomorrow. There are a bazillion options and I'm a complete n00b at memory stuff. I can enable EXPO profile 1 (6000MHz) but I know the voltage is too low (crashed on boot when I initially tried it). I just need to be told what to enable, to adjust the Dram voltage, and considering the rating is 1.35V, where does that all fit in.

See y'all tomorrow.

 

[AusWolf]

Not going to lie - the bios info is overload for me. I'll go to bed now, up at 5.30am to write, then I'll post some screenshots later tomorrow. There are a bazillion options and I'm a complete n00b at memory stuff. I can enable EXPO profile 1 (6000MHz) but I know the voltage is too low (crashed on boot when I initially tried it). I just need to be told what to enable, to adjust the Dram voltage, and considering the rating is 1.35V, where does that all fit in.

See y'all tomorrow.

It's overload for me too, and I can't be asked to give a damn about timings and stuff. That's why, I only ever need to know about SoC voltage and I'm happy that way.

I have a strange issue with my board.

I plugged in my 5900X and mistakenly chose an X3D profile..

Now I have no Advanced PBO in the back AMD section. But the Asus one works, though I cant fine tune it like I could before, and I have to throw hella power at it, and its still not as good.

Its like I flashed the CPU. I tried different AGESA versions, but the OC section is still greyed out, like on X3D.

Grr.

How about a CMOS reset or BIOS update?

 

[freeagent]

How about a CMOS reset or BIOS update?

Oh yeah, I have done all that. It happened to me once before, but I dont remember what I did. Maybe I flashed to the bios it shipped with... or I dropped my 5600X in.

I put my X3D in and I will just use it for now until I decide how I want to proceed. I have a feeling this weekend my boy will have his rig gutted when he wakes up

 

[AusWolf]

Oh yeah, I have done all that. It happened to me once before, but I dont remember what I did. Maybe I flashed to the bios it shipped with... or I dropped my 5600X in.

I put my X3D in and I will just use it for now until I decide how I want to proceed. I have a feeling this weekend my boy will have his rig gutted when he wakes up

Yeah, a new CPU pretty much resets everything. That's why I'm not selling my 7700X even though I've got the 7800X3D now.

Edit: Even just taking the CPU out for a couple of minutes might work and make the board think you've got a new one installed.

 

[freeagent]

Yeah, a new CPU pretty much resets everything. That's why I'm not selling my 7700X even though I've got the 7800X3D now.

Edit: Even just taking the CPU out for a couple of minutes might work and make the board think you've got a new one installed.

Believe me, I tried..

I am pretty sure it will be fine when I do that thing that I did before, whatever it was

 

[AusWolf]

A random question out of nowhere:

Has anyone tried any of the new 24/48 GB EXPO modules? Corsair's 48 GB kit has just dropped at Scan UK with 6000 MHz CL36 at 1.4 V, and it doesn't look overly expensive.

 

[tabascosauz]

Believe me, I tried..

I am pretty sure it will be fine when I do that thing that I did before, whatever it was

You're supposed to use the Asus section, though. AMD OC menu only for CO.

A random question out of nowhere:

Has anyone tried any of the new 24/48 GB EXPO modules? Corsair's 48 GB kit has just dropped at Scan UK with 6000 MHz CL36 at 1.4 V, and it doesn't look overly expensive.

Don't they mostly kinda suck so far? 6000 CL36 is pretty garbage, it better not be expensive.

 

[AusWolf]

Don't they mostly kinda suck so far? 6000 CL36 is pretty garbage, it better not be expensive.

It's what my 32 GB kit is running at. I don't really care about RAM OC, or latencies and stuff (it's all Chinese to me), so for me, it's fine.

 

[freeagent]

You're supposed to use the Asus section, though. AMD OC menu only for CO.

1208 has CO up front now, its almost as good. Only problem is the 1.425v cap. I need that 1.5+

Which rolling back is supposed to solve, but the back is still greyed out

 

[tabascosauz]

It's what my 32 GB kit is running at. I don't really care about RAM OC, or latencies and stuff (it's all Chinese to me), so for me, it's fine.

Of course, everything is relative, but the 24GB stuff is also the new kid on the block, yet offers nothing noteworthy. Right now for the price of a decent (ie. not 6000CL40) kit it already encroaches on 64GB pricing.

A nonbinary kit that has neither noticeably better on price nor performance potential now or down the road....I dunno. For a couple months now the 6000CL30/6000CL32/6400CL32 Hynix fare from G.skill has been consistently near the bottom of the 2x16GB listings in price, and is getting there on 2x32GB too. Sure, this generation's UMC is weak, but Ryzen still likes RAM and it doesn't diminish Hynix DDR5's position. Wouldn't be the first time people have wished they spent a little more at first to have a memory kit worth keeping further down the line. Hynix A/M feels a bit like A0 B-die did back way back when.

1208 has CO up front now, its almost as good. Only problem is the 1.425v cap. I need that 1.5+

Which rolling back is supposed to solve, but the back is still greyed out

You OC'd so hard you broke the system!

Maybe AMD surreptitiously slipped in some microcode recently, idk.

Sooooo.............put that 5800X3D back in and forget about this old news 5900X!

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

It's what my 32 GB kit is running at. I don't really care about RAM OC, or latencies and stuff (it's all Chinese to me), so for me, it's fine.

@ir_cow mentioned that the latency was pretty bad on the kits that he reviewed - so the only real reason would be to get higher capacities.

 

[AusWolf]

Of course, everything is relative, but the 24GB stuff is also the new kid on the block, yet offers nothing noteworthy. Right now for the price of a decent (ie. not 6000CL40) kit it already encroaches on 64GB pricing.

A nonbinary kit that has neither noticeably better on price nor performance potential now or down the road....I dunno. For a couple months now the 6000CL30/6000CL32/6400CL32 Hynix fare from G.skill has been consistently near the bottom of the 2x16GB listings in price, and is getting there on 2x32GB too. Sure, this generation's UMC is weak, but Ryzen still likes RAM and it doesn't diminish Hynix DDR5's position. Wouldn't be the first time people have wished they spent a little more at first to have a memory kit worth keeping further down the line. Hynix A/M feels a bit like A0 B-die did back way back when.

Price-wise, it looks fine. The 32 GB CL36 kit is currently £100 (thinking that I paid £230 for it back in November... ugh!), the 64 GB kit is £200, and the 48 GB one sits comfortably in between for £145-150.

You need to have very keen eyes to notice any performance difference among different latencies (if any), so I'm not that bothered. I've never regretted not spending more money on a tighter latency kit, anyway.

 

[tabascosauz]

@ir_cow mentioned that the latency was pretty bad on the kits that he reviewed - so the only real reason would be to get higher capacities.

5600CL40 with Spectek trash............I can certainly see why. If DDR4 is any indication I don't think anybody ranks lower than Spectek at this point, especially since even Micron is already lagging behind in DDR5.

It's actually kinda crazy to me that A-die still keeps going. I thought Hynix would have come out with a successor by now.

Price-wise, it looks fine. The 32 GB CL36 kit is currently £100 (thinking that I paid £230 for it back in November... ugh!), the 64 GB kit is £200, and the 48 GB one sits comfortably in between for £145-150.

You need to have very keen eyes to notice any performance difference among different latencies (if any), so I'm not that bothered. I've never regretted not spending more money on a tighter latency kit, anyway.

I think you wouldn't notice much at all at 60Hz there was a video a while back showing that within Raphael's limited UMC range there are still gains to be had from both speed (which only Hynix can do) and timings (which Samsung can do as well). Sadly the 6000/6200 wall means we can't yet see the full picture of what UMC speed does. Someone said that X3D largely ignores timings but still cares about speed, so maybe not ready to write it off just yet.

The Phoenix APUs might have as much to say about Hynix as Intel parts do, if their UMC is as strong as history suggests. Micron and Samsung better step up!

 

[AusWolf]

I think you wouldn't notice much at all at 60Hz there was a video a while back showing that within Raphael's limited UMC range there are still gains to be had from both speed (which only Hynix can do) and timings (which Samsung can do as well). Sadly the 6000/6200 wall means we can't yet see the full picture of what UMC speed does. Someone said that X3D largely ignores timings but still cares about speed, so maybe not ready to write it off just yet.

Yeah, I'm sure I'd feel no difference. I'm just curious, as always. Non-powers of 2 RAM capacity is a new thing, even newer on AMD, and I'm interested to see how it works. My 32 GB kit is pretty much plug-and-play, except for the SoC voltage, which is better lowered to 1.2 V (my board sets 1.3 V on Auto). I'm wondering if a 48 GB kit that is otherwise the same as mine would behave the same way.

 

[freeagent]

Of course, everything is relative, but the 24GB stuff is also the new kid on the block, yet offers nothing noteworthy. Right now for the price of a decent (ie. not 6000CL40) kit it already encroaches on 64GB pricing.

A nonbinary kit that has neither noticeably better on price nor performance potential now or down the road....I dunno. For a couple months now the 6000CL30/6000CL32/6400CL32 Hynix fare from G.skill has been consistently near the bottom of the 2x16GB listings in price, and is getting there on 2x32GB too. Sure, this generation's UMC is weak, but Ryzen still likes RAM and it doesn't diminish Hynix DDR5's position. Wouldn't be the first time people have wished they spent a little more at first to have a memory kit worth keeping further down the line. Hynix A/M feels a bit like A0 B-die did back way back when.



You OC'd so hard you broke the system!

Maybe AMD surreptitiously slipped in some microcode recently, idk.

Sooooo.............put that 5800X3D back in and forget about this old news 5900X!

I’m running her now 5900X was for crunching nom nom. I considered maybe they slipped something in, I will know more this weekend

 

[ir_cow]

Unofficially Spectek sells the rejects of Micron. Official it is just a division of Micron.

In rares cases when Micron discontinues a IC, even the good ones go to Spectek and are just rebranded. More often than not for DDR4, it was bottom of the barrel stuff. We will see if it holds true for DDR5.

@ir_cow mentioned that the latency was pretty bad on the kits that he reviewed - so the only real reason would be to get higher capacities.

Bad for two reason. That particular kit was Micron based and on top of already having relatively loose timings for DDR5. It also has increased density size which will increase The subtimings and primary timings a bit for retail kits regardless of the brand. SK Hynix suffers the same thing with their 3GB. But not as bad

 

[tabascosauz]

Unofficially Spectek sells the rejects of Micron. Official it is just a division of Micron.

In rares cases when Micron discontinues a IC, even the good ones go to Spectek and are just rebranded. More often than not for DDR4, it was bottom of the barrel stuff. We will see if it holds true for DDR5.


Bad for two reason. That particular kit was Micron based and on top of already having relatively loose timings for DDR5. It also has increased density size which will increase The subtimings and primary timings a bit for retail kits regardless of the brand. SK Hynix suffers the same thing with their 3GB. But not as bad

So worse performance on same ICs just because it's 24GB/48GB? Or because it's a new higher density IC. Interesting.

I was trying to find stuff that is worse than Spectek while also being globally available. Nanya was on the tip of my tongue, then I remembered that even as obscure as Nanya is some OCers still found Nanya B (I think?) pretty interesting and decent. So Spectek it is