Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[gffermari]

I don't think a newer BIOS will be released. The one that already supports the 5800X3D should work with both 5600X3D as well.

I'm probably wrong.
Asus has released a new BIOS for my B550M to support the 5600X3D.

 

[trparky]

According to GamersNexus, BIOS versions that support the older X3D chips should support the new 5600X3D with base support meaning it'll get you up and running but that's about it. Further tweaking will come with new BIOS versions.

 

[Klemc]

I enabled DOCP this morning :

DOCP 1 (Asus tweaks added to defaults)


DOCP 2 (all defaults)


Tweaked (Asus tweaks for perf if profile match found)

 

[AusWolf]

I enabled DOCP this morning :

DOCP 1 (Asus tweaks added to defaults)
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DOCP 2 (all defaults)
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Tweaked (Asus tweaks for perf if profile match found)
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1.23 VSOC by default? Not bad.

My board sets 1.3 V by default, but once I change it to 1.1 V then back to Auto, it magically settles at 1.19 V.

 

[Klemc]

1.23 VSOC by default? Not bad.

My board sets 1.3 V by default, but once I change it to 1.1 V then back to Auto, it magically settles at 1.19 V.

Yes, 1.23 and for the three profiles, from defaults to Asus Tweakes tho.

I see a thing that changes between them, it's in memory there is 118 (at left trFC) for defaults (aka DOCP2) and it becomes 144 for DOCP1 and Asus Tweaked

 

[Mussels]

Managed to solve my AX370 Gaming 5's BIOS reset issues... cold boot memory hole at 1600IF / 3200MT/s
3333 boots but has WHEA errors with the 3700x, 3200 is 100% rock stable but the BIOS resets on cold boots
3133 works 100% fine in all things, all the time.

Yep... it's a pretty small list compared to all the devices out there, unfortunately.

Because one entry on that list can be a dozen devices - asus use the same chip on all their motherboards, for example
DR slim/normal/pro are all really good, mostly because of that baseplate design and mounting

1.23 VSOC by default? Not bad.

My board sets 1.3 V by default, but once I change it to 1.1 V then back to Auto, it magically settles at 1.19 V.

gigabyte do weird shit like that too, i've got a suspcion its failed boots - what some people mistake for memory training. (Memory training is a cold boot, a warm boot it's already done the training and boots a little faster)
So whenever it fails to post, it jsut adds +0.1v to the SoC voltage and saves it, until a user manually intervenes

 

[Klemc]

And now i set 1.2 so HWInfo tells 1.18 !.. afterall BIOS reports 1.208 (it reported 1.26 while it was 1.23 ius HWi) !!

 

[Mussels]

And now i set 1.2 so HWInfo tells 1.18 !.. afterall BIOS reports 1.208 (it reported 1.26 while it was 1.23 ius HWi) !!

load vs idle, the BIOS has no power saving features enabled (C-states arent active, no sleeping cores)

Mix in LLC and sometimes they behave in seemingly contradictory ways in BIOS vs windows

 

[AusWolf]

load vs idle, the BIOS has no power saving features enabled (C-states arent active, no sleeping cores)

Mix in LLC and sometimes they behave in seemingly contradictory ways in BIOS vs windows

Idle and load are the same on the SoC. I think it's more about LLC, and the difference between the voltage requested by the chip and the voltage supplied by the motherboard.

 

[freeagent]

This little 5600X is such a treat to use. Windows is nice and snappy. And my fans are barely doing anything lol. It is no 5900X or 58X3D but it is still pretty sweet!

I haven't played any games yet, just putting it through its paces a bit after being run in its stock boost range for the last year or so.. I honestly don't know if I had this CPU on this board before..

This board pushes the CPU a little harder with PBO under load than my Strix -F does, maybe an extra 50-75MHz. OCCT was running at 4800MHz but it started to throw errors on core 6 after 25mins. Pretty neat.

I did feed some more VDDGs and vcore for Linpack, also raised Trfc. Not sure why I got an interconnect error, could have been low vcore on this static clock. But I loosened it up a bit from 255 to stock 312, might put it back later.. but its ok for now..

Also.. I am just using the DOCP 3200C14 profile..

R23 is kinda sucky for a load

 

[AusWolf]

This little 5600X is such a treat to use. Windows is nice and snappy. And my fans are barely doing anything lol. It is no 5900X or 58X3D but it is still pretty sweet!

I haven't played any games yet, just putting it through its paces a bit after being run in its stock boost range for the last year or so.. I honestly don't know if I had this CPU on this board before..

This board pushes the CPU a little harder with PBO under load than my Strix -F does, maybe an extra 50-75MHz. OCCT was running at 4800MHz but it started to throw errors on core 6 after 25mins. Pretty neat.

I did feed some more VDDGs and vcore for Linpack, also raised Trfc. Not sure why I got an interconnect error, could have been low vcore on this static clock. But I loosened it up a bit from 255 to stock 312, might put it back later.. but its ok for now..

Also.. I am just using the DOCP 3200C14 profile..

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R23 is kinda sucky for a load

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That's really nice considering that you're maybe 2000-2500 points behind an i7-11700 with unlocked power limits (that's about 170 W on an 8-core chip).

Why the 5600X, though? I thought you had a 5900X before.

 

[freeagent]

That's really nice considering that you're maybe 2000-2500 points behind an i7-11700 with unlocked power limits (that's about 170 W on an 8-core chip).

Why the 5600X, though? I thought you had a 5900X before.

Thanks. This was my first Zen3 part

 

[Klemc]

Next BIOS will be, good :

AMD AGESA 1.0.9.0 BIOS Firmware Launches In Late August, Includes Support For Phoenix "Ryzen 7000G" APUs

AMD will offer its brand new AGESA 1.0.9.0 BIOS firmware for AM5 motherboards in late August which offers Ryzen 7000G "Phoenix" APU support.

wccftech.com

 

[Nordic]

The GIGABYTE B650 GAMING X AX AM5 is $170 today. I am considering it with a 7800x3d.

 

[kapone32]

Next BIOS will be, good :

AMD AGESA 1.0.9.0 BIOS Firmware Launches In Late August, Includes Support For Phoenix "Ryzen 7000G" APUs

AMD will offer its brand new AGESA 1.0.9.0 BIOS firmware for AM5 motherboards in late August which offers Ryzen 7000G "Phoenix" APU support.

wccftech.com

This is exactly what I am looking for. Time to get a nice MATX board for those chips.

 

[tabascosauz]

This is exactly what I am looking for. Time to get a nice MATX board for those chips.

ughhh I've been on and off flirting with this idea, but the 8-core is going to be so expensive + new RAM + new board...........again AMD is locking the cheaper SKUs out of the 12CU iGPU

I know it's not a problem currently for Raphael, but I'd bet money that the cheap mATX boards that work just fine for Raphael's shitty UMC will actually struggle to get the DDR5 speeds that Phoenix UMC might be able to reach. Plus, actually looking for well-binned Hynix A that will scale with the CPU won't be easy

I'm expecting there to be some uplift, since UMC doesn't seem to be 1:1 in the DDR5 laptops and just wack for the LPDDR5 ones, but probably not too much and probably not much core OC headroom at close to 3GHz already. Never sure exactly where to put LPDDR5 in my mind but if we believe the hype, the LPDDR5-6400 and 7200 should already be tapping into a lot of the 680M/780M's potential.

Spotted a $450cad refurbished A2000 yesterday, been thinking about just getting that instead

 

[kapone32]

ughhh I've been on and off flirting with this idea, but the 8-core is going to be so expensive + new RAM + new board...........again AMD is locking the cheaper SKUs out of the 12CU iGPU

I know it's not a problem currently for Raphael, but I'd bet money that the cheap mATX boards that work just fine for Raphael's shitty UMC will actually struggle to get the DDR5 speeds that Phoenix UMC might be able to reach. Plus, actually looking for well-binned Hynix A that will scale with the CPU won't be easy

I'm expecting there to be some uplift, since UMC doesn't seem to be 1:1 in the DDR5 laptops and just wack for the LPDDR5 ones, but probably not too much and probably not much core OC headroom at close to 3GHz already. Never sure exactly where to put LPDDR5 in my mind but if we believe the hype, the LPDDR5-6400 and 7200 should already be tapping into a lot of the 680M/780M's potential.

Spotted a $450cad refurbished A2000 yesterday, been thinking about just getting that instead

I hear you but right now on Newegg 32GB 6000Mt/s Gskill DDR5 for $134.99 and you can get the MSI PRO Matx for 184.99 or the X650 Pro ATX for $229 or the X670Pro for $239. Then when these release you can expect a MB refresh (most likely with USB 4 As media support) and that should put pressure on these boards. That should mean (if everything follow storage) that the trend of falling prices should continue. Even if the best chip is $400 US it will fill the gap as there are like 8 skus under that so we may see a 6 core for $249 that rivals the 3300X in acceptance.

 

[tabascosauz]

I hear you but right now on Newegg 32GB 6000Mt/s Gskill DDR5 for $134.99 and you can get the MSI PRO Matx for 184.99 or the X650 Pro ATX for $229 or the X670Pro for $239. Then when these release you can expect a MB refresh (most likely with USB 4 As media support) and that should put pressure on these boards. That should mean (if everything follow storage) that the trend of falling prices should continue. Even if the best chip is $400 US it will fill the gap as there are like 8 skus under that so we may see a 6 core for $249 that rivals the 3300X in acceptance.

But we're only looking at these Phoenix SKUs for their honkin iGPU, right? So the 8CU 6-core won't do a lot of good, being more of the same (already 6CU ≈ Vega 8), and if not really interested in 780M one would just get a cheaper 7700 or much faster 7800X3D instead. Can't remember exactly what I paid for either my launch 5600G or 5700G but neither was friendly on the wallet.

I agree on the other prices, I think A-die and B650 pricing is in a great spot right now, but I really don't think the entry level 6-layer boards will do much good for Phoenix if the DDR5 UMC is any good. MSI skimped hard on the layer count since the current CPUs suck on memory so no one would notice. I really doubt that will still be true for APUs.

And oh lordy the ITX board pricing......not fun.

 

[kapone32]

But we're only looking at these Phoenix SKUs for their honkin iGPU, right? So the 8CU 6-core won't do a lot of good, being more of the same (already 6CU ≈ Vega 8), and if not really interested in 780M one would just get a cheaper 7700 or much faster 7800X3D instead. Can't remember exactly what I paid for either my launch 5600G or 5700G but neither was friendly on the wallet.

I agree on the other prices, I think A-die and B650 pricing is in a great spot right now, but I really don't think the entry level 6-layer boards will do much good for Phoenix if the DDR5 UMC is any good. MSI skimped hard on the layer count since the current CPUs suck on memory so no one would notice. I really doubt that will still be true for APUs.

And oh lordy the ITX board pricing......not fun.

That is right. I want to build my own Ally or Steam Deck. Probably in a small Micro Atx case.

 

[AusWolf]

ughhh I've been on and off flirting with this idea, but the 8-core is going to be so expensive + new RAM + new board...........again AMD is locking the cheaper SKUs out of the 12CU iGPU

I know it's not a problem currently for Raphael, but I'd bet money that the cheap mATX boards that work just fine for Raphael's shitty UMC will actually struggle to get the DDR5 speeds that Phoenix UMC might be able to reach. Plus, actually looking for well-binned Hynix A that will scale with the CPU won't be easy

I'm expecting there to be some uplift, since UMC doesn't seem to be 1:1 in the DDR5 laptops and just wack for the LPDDR5 ones, but probably not too much and probably not much core OC headroom at close to 3GHz already. Never sure exactly where to put LPDDR5 in my mind but if we believe the hype, the LPDDR5-6400 and 7200 should already be tapping into a lot of the 680M/780M's potential.

Spotted a $450cad refurbished A2000 yesterday, been thinking about just getting that instead

I see your point, but luckily, Raphael isn't as sensitive to memory as Vermeer. 6000 MHz with single-rank kits should be doable on 99% of motherboards, and I don't think you need to worry about going faster.

 

[tabascosauz]

I see your point, but luckily, Raphael isn't as sensitive to memory as Vermeer. 6000 MHz with single-rank kits should be doable on 99% of motherboards, and I don't think you need to worry about going faster.

iGPU is always memory sensitive, and if the Phoenix UMC is what a lot of people think it will be, then there is a very good reason for going faster. That's a bit like saying there's no reason to take Cezanne beyond 3800 because that's where Vermeer stops.

The LPDDR5 6400 or 7200 on offer does have some slight gains compared to DDR5-4800 CL40, but barely anything compared to their "theoretical" advantage in gaming bandwidth on paper. Hence it will be very important to see what a good kit of sub-CL40 6000-7000 A-die can do for the 780M.

 

[AusWolf]

iGPU is always memory sensitive, and if the Phoenix UMC is what a lot of people think it will be, then there is a very good reason for going faster. That's a bit like saying there's no reason to take Cezanne beyond 3800 because that's where Vermeer stops.

The LPDDR5 6400 or 7200 on offer does have some slight gains compared to DDR5-4800 CL40, but barely anything compared to their "theoretical" advantage in gaming bandwidth on paper. Hence it will be very important to see what a good kit of sub-CL40 6000-7000 A-die can do for the 780M.

Ah, you want an APU, not CPU! That's a different story, then.

 

[Nordic]

The 7900x3d is on sale for $20 more than the 7800x3d. $20 for 4 more cores is quite a deal. Has the thread scheduling improved much in the last few months?

 

[AusWolf]

The 7900x3d is on sale for $20 more than the 7800x3d. $20 for 4 more cores is quite a deal. Has the thread scheduling improved much in the last few months?

But you only get the 3D cache on 6 cores, so you're basically comparing 6+6 cores vs a true 8-core with 3D cache.

 

[sethmatrix7]

The GIGABYTE B650 GAMING X AX AM5 is $170 today. I am considering it with a 7800x3d.

The mATX version? I got the B650 Aorus Elite AX (ATX) with 7800X3D. Really enjoy the board, Gigabyte Control Center could be better. Looks like both mATX Gigabyte models are on a good sale

Haven't tried to overclock it yet but PBO Level 4 cracks 19000 on Cinebench multi-core with 5040Mhz on all cores. Doesn't hit 1.2V.