Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[kapone32]

The 7900x3d is on sale for $20 more than the 7800x3d. $20 for 4 more cores is quite a deal. Has the thread scheduling improved much in the last few months?

I have a 7900X3D and love it. While it's true that some Games only work with V Cache the fact that the other cores can boost to 5.7 Ghz seems to be underappreciated. As far as I am concerned that is an academic purchase.

 

[trparky]

I got the B650 Aorus Elite AX (ATX) with 7800X3D. Really enjoy the board

I have the same board myself, it's a great board at a decent price.

Gigabyte Control Center could be better

I never installed that computer virus.

 

[Nordic]

The mATX version? I got the B650 Aorus Elite AX (ATX) with 7800X3D. Really enjoy the board, Gigabyte Control Center could be better. Looks like both mATX Gigabyte models are on a good sale

Haven't tried to overclock it yet but PBO Level 4 cracks 19000 on Cinebench multi-core with 5040Mhz on all cores. Doesn't hit 1.2V.

That is the ATX version. It is the same price on Amazon, Newegg, and elsewhere right now. Gigabyte has caught my attention this generation for nailing memory support from the get go. Asrock has some very competitive boards too. I really want one of the error code displays like I had back with Sandy Bridge but that seems reserved for the high end boards.

Jumping up $30 to the B650 Aorus Elite AX for $30 would get me a PCIe 5.0 M2 slot, an even more overkill VRM, and more USB ports.

 

[trparky]

Gigabyte has caught my attention this generation for nailing memory support from the get go.

You're damn right about that one. While other board makers seem to be having issues with DDR5 training on boot with AMD, Gigabyte seems to have it down to a science. With BIOS version F6, boot times are fast.

 

[sethmatrix7]

I have the same board myself, it's a great board at a decent price.

I never installed that computer virus.

Lol, I don't blame you. What do you use for fans or RGB? I'm gonna try out Fan Control by Rem0o later tonight. If you think that's a virus- NEVER try Asus ArmouryCrate haha.

That is the ATX version. It is the same price on Amazon, Newegg, and elsewhere right now. Gigabyte has caught my attention this generation for nailing memory support from the get go. Asrock has some very competitive boards too. I really want one of the error code displays like I had back with Sandy Bridge but that seems reserved for the high end boards.

That is a good deal! XMP doesn't work for me on this board but I did get the RAM to 6000Mhz.

 

[Nordic]

That is a good deal! XMP doesn't work for me on this board but I did get the RAM to 6000Mhz.

If I do buy into AM5, I would be getting 6000Mhz Cas 30 memory with EXPO. The extra USB ports of the Auros might honestly be worth it. I just counted and I am using 9 ports right now.

 

[trparky]

What do you use for fans or RGB? I'm gonna try out Fan Control by Rem0o later tonight.

I use Fan Control too. As for RGB, I use OpenRGB.

NEVER try Asus ArmouryCrate haha.

I have a brother that has an ASUS notebook and damn, yeah... that thing's invasive.

That is a good deal! XMP doesn't work for me on this board

I have this memory kit (F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5N) and have no issues with enabling EXPO.

 

[Nordic]

I have this memory kit (F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5N) and have no issues with enabling EXPO.

I have F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR in my cart right now. It seems to be the best option for AM5 unless you want something really cheap.

 

[trparky]

I have F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR in my cart right now. It seems to be the best option for AM5 unless you want something really cheap.

It comes highly recommended by Steve of Hardware Unboxed on YouTube; it's why I bought the kit.

I got the non-RGB version since I didn't need the RGB.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 are a good alternative if you don't want RGB. It's also has low-profile heat spreaders.

 

[trparky]

F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 are a good alternative if you don't want RGB. It's also has low-profile heat spreaders.

Just make sure that it has SK Hynix dies, apparently they work better with Ryzen.

I know that the two memory kits, F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5N and F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR, have SK Hynix dies.

 

[Nordic]

I am not a fan of the RGB everything recently but the RGB version is $10 cheaper. I don't hate RGB so much that I will spend $10 more.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

I am not a fan of the RGB everything recently but the RGB version is $10 cheaper. I don't hate RGB so much that I will spend $10 more.

On sale here:

https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-288-Pin-CL30-38-38-96-Channel-F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5/dp/B0C1TKSDKR/

 

[sethmatrix7]

Long shot since it doesn't have EXPO, but anybody using CMK32GX5M2B6400C32 or similar? How'd that go? Does XMP work?

 

[trparky]

Damn do I wish that G.Skill would mention what kind of memory dies they use on their modules.

 

[AusWolf]

Long shot since it doesn't have EXPO, but anybody using CMK32GX5M2B6400C32 or similar? How'd that go? Does XMP work?

Do you already have the kit? If not, I would only be looking at EXPO if I were you. At least that's somewhat guaranteed to work (with a pinch of salt).

I use Fan Control too.

Nothing beats good old BIOS controls, imo.

 

[sethmatrix7]

Do you already have the kit? If not, I would only be looking at EXPO if I were you. At least that's somewhat guaranteed to work (with a pinch of salt).


Nothing beats good old BIOS controls, imo.

Yup already have the kit. Yes doing it again I'd buy EXPO.

XMP would not work out of the box so I had manually set it to 6000mhz, but with CAS on auto it was 50-50-50-85. Last night I was able to enable XMP- seemingly because the speed was manually set to 6000 rather than the XMP profiles 6400. Timings then went down to 32-40-40-70, RAM voltage went from 1.1 to 1.4, and CPU Voltage went from 1.19v to 1.250v.

Could try 6200 tonight as that is verified as working with this RAM and board, but haven't heard of people having much luck over 6000.

 

[AusWolf]

Yup already have the kit. Yes doing it again I'd buy EXPO.

XMP would not work out of the box so I had manually set it to 6000mhz, but with CAS on auto it was 50-50-50-85. Last night I was able to enable XMP- seemingly because the speed was manually set to 6000 rather than the XMP profiles 6400. Timings then went down to 32-40-40-70, RAM voltage went from 1.1 to 1.4, and CPU Voltage went from 1.19v to 1.250v.

Could try 6200 tonight as that is verified as working with this RAM and board, but haven't heard of people having much luck over 6000.

Hm... I guess AMD had a point when they said 6000 is the sweet spot. Luckily, Zen 4 isn't too dependent on RAM speed, let alone latencies, so 32-40-40-70 should be more than fine, imo (I run 36-44-44-96 on my 48 GB kit).

You could also try setting the UMC to 1:2 speed, so when you run 6200 on the ram, the UMC doesn't run at 3100, but 1550 MHz. I'm not sure if, or how much performance you lose that way.

The SoC voltage is something you need to be careful with, never let it exceed 1.3 V, but I guess you already know that. With 6000 MHz RAM, 1.2 V should work, too.

 

[Mussels]

Idle and load are the same on the SoC. I think it's more about LLC, and the difference between the voltage requested by the chip and the voltage supplied by the motherboard.

No no - i mean in the BIOS, it's never idle. BIOS wattages and temps are always higher than windows, because of that

Voltages can be too, as you never really know if you're looking at the same reading in the BIOS vs windows - VID vs voltage, CPU vs motherboard readings, etc.

 

[the54thvoid]

Screenshot dump:

I'd like to try and get my EXPO settings running, preferably at 6000MHz. I can find the DRAM Voltage tab, but it's on auto, and it doesn't click. There are other options I can switch to manual, but they don't allow it to change. Ideally, there ought to be manuals for this sort of thing, but of course, the manufacturers don't offer them, instead they give you a list of variables and dare you to fuck things up...

Of note, the DRAM voltage with the latest (safe voltage) BIOS is stuck at 1.1v. Far too low for the rated 1.35v for the 6000MHz setting. CPU SOC looks like 1.018v? VCore at 1.18v.

EDIT: System is rock stable at default BIOS, CPU runs fine, but memory is at 4800MHz. TBH, I'd probably not notice a difference at the faster RAM speeds.

With my 4070ti in my old system (3700X, 16GB 3200MHz) in PUBG (yes, I know), I was getting 100-120fps. Now, at the BIOS defaults, it's steady at 140fps (I game 4Hz below refresh rate).

 

[dont whant to set it"']

2nd image, first setting.
"OC Explore Mode : Normal" any other available , "Advanced" for example?

I am not familiar with MSI nowadays.

 

[the54thvoid]

I can set that to 'expert' (the only other option).

I can also enable DRAM High Voltage Mode.

But neither allows me to adjust the DRAM Voltage. I click it, but no options show. So much appears locked on AUTO, and I don't know what magic button unlocks it.

 

[trparky]

I have a 5600X in my father's computer and it seems that it doesn't boost to the proper boost speed like it should. Even under a full Cinebench R23 test, the CPU barely rises above 65 degrees. I thought that they're supposed to boost until it reaches 95 degrees and then slow down.

 

[the54thvoid]

I have a 5600X in my father's computer and it seems that it doesn't boost to the proper boost speed like it should. Even under a full Cinebench R23 test, the CPU barely rises above 65 degrees. I thought that they're supposed to boost until it reaches 95 degrees and then slow down.

My 7800X3D boosts to 5.05GHz on single cores, and 4.8GHz on the lot. Bang on spec. That's default with no PBO, or anything, I beleive?

 

[trparky]

My 7800X3D boosts to 5.05GHz on single cores, and 4.8GHz on the lot. Bang on spec. That's default with no PBO, or anything, I believe?

That's not how my 7700X behaves, it will boost up to whatever is the boost speed on all eight cores and hit 95 degrees with no issues. The 5600X doesn't seem to be behaving like that. Is there a difference between how Zen 4 and Zen 3 behave in this situation?

Edit: Corrected Zen generation numbers.