Windows 10 LTSC

[LabRat 891]

Doesn't look like the IoT version

After reading thru the listing, I'd agree.
Still, keysfan had the most up-to-date msft licenses out of the 3 keysites with (recent) sponsored spots on TPU. (GoDeal24, urcdkeys, and keysfan)
[blind hope] Maybe, they'll source some IoT licenses soon?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I don't think this is the IoT edition, but I might be wrong.

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 - 1 PC

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It is not.

 

[Shrek]

I'm guessing something will happen in the next 2 years as there will be many people wanting to keep using their machines.

Anyhow, thanks for all the help.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm guessing something will happen in the next 2 years as there will be many people wanting to keep using their machines.

Anyhow, thanks for all the help.

Keep your eyes open, there will be a solution as time draws closer to the EOS for Win10LTSC. I will be unlikely to be microsoft "approved", but will be fine anyway.

 

[LabRat 891]

Keep your eyes open, there will be a solution as time draws closer to the EOS for Win10LTSC. I will be unlikely to be microsoft "approved", but will be fine anyway.

Speaking of...
I wonder how IoT determines and limits installations on hardware?

That $80 'Value' license off Advantech, almost seemed acceptably priced.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I wonder how IoT determines and limits installations on hardware?

It doesn't. It's a blanket license.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Speaking of...
I wonder how IoT determines and limits installations on hardware?

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That $80 'Value' license off Advantech, almost seemed acceptably priced.

It does not limit, but using an IoT tailored OS on a PC is not a good idea. You'll have a barely functional OS that will have trouble with a range of drivers and software due to the limitations of the edition. Install it with an evaluation license or unactivated - you'll run into these problems immediately, and I'll just have saved you $80.

I understand the desire for a stable image as old versions of Windows used to be until Windows 7, but that's gone and you won't ever have this anymore. Using a protracted security support schedule edition is a disservice to yourself and an utter waste of time. Just try to install Windows 10 LTSB 2016 on any modern computer. I can tell you outright there's no graphics card drivers, no system chipset drivers, in many cases not even networking drivers available for those builds, depending on how new your system is.

The Pro for Workstations and regular Enterprise (non-LTS) versions of Windows are what you want if you want finer control over your system's update schedule and telemetry features. Keys for both should be available on grey market license sites. Either of these editions plus O&O ShutUp10+ and Winaero Tweaker should have all your bases covered, from privacy to performance questions.

 

[LabRat 891]

It doesn't. It's a blanket license.

Honestly, I believe you over Microsoft.
But, Microsoft goes a long ways to make it abundantly clear that there are 3 distinct license-levels to Enterprise IoT LTSC. (last paragraph of 1st snipped image)

@Dr. Dro
I didn't see anything that said Win10 drivers were incompatible. In fact, in msft's own documentation they make a point of how broadly-compatible IoT is.
The whole point of wanting IoT LTSC, is what you say is a negative: Its minimalistic nature (while still being a functional Windows operating environment).
Microsoft even mentions these things as 'features' in their marketing datasheet.

https://advdownload.blob.core.windows.net/productfile/PIS/Windows%2010%20IoT/Product%20-%20Datasheet/Windows%2010%20IoT_DS(03.06.19)20190307114148.pdf

However, your warnings would seem applicable to IoT Core

 

[R-T-B]

I didn't see anything that said Win10 drivers were incompatible. In fact, in msft's own documentation they make a point of how broadly-compatible IoT is.

You are thinking in the wrong direction.

Old drivers will likely work fine. Future drivers 5 years into its lifecycle or whatever? Good luck.

 

[LabRat 891]

You are thinking in the wrong direction.

Old drivers will likely work fine. Future drivers 5 years into its lifecycle or whatever? Good luck.

For a profit-making company, I see.

For an end-user that specifically wants a stable and mostly-unchanging Operating Environment... that's so far down the list, it's practically a non-issue.

Edit:

 

[Dr. Dro]

For a profit-making company, I see.

For an end-user that specifically wants a stable and mostly-unchanging Operating Environment... that's so far down the list, it's practically a non-issue.

It's for the end-user that wants a stable and unchanging operating environment that it becomes a problem, actually. You get most of everything that has been implemented up to the OS's release date, but none of what comes after it. This isn't restricted to only graphics drivers, any routine hardware and software additions that would count as normal use are simply not guaranteed to function or be available to this edition. LTSB 2016 is old enough for this to have begun showing full force, I tried to install it on my old Ryzen 5950X system for benchmarking a few months ago and I found that it's simply impossible to do so. The same applies to Windows 8.1 nowadays.

These operating systems are intended for machines that run specialty hardware, or to be used in high-availability scenarios such as airport schedule boards, etc. - think of it as being exactly like running Windows XP on a specialty computer today. It serves the same purpose and shares many of the same limitations.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Honestly, I believe you over Microsoft.
But, Microsoft goes a long ways to make it abundantly clear that there are 3 distinct license-levels to Enterprise IoT LTSC. (last paragraph of 1st snipped image)

Let's be fair, they don't want to just publicly state that a version of Windows doesn't need activation. Yet that version of Windows does exactly that. It'll run forever if no internet connection is made. It is effectively a blanket license. And with the following, you confirmed it...

Edit:

...thus.

 

[LabRat 891]

Let's be fair, they don't want to just publicly state that a version of Windows doesn't need activation. Yet that version of Windows does exactly that. It'll run forever if no internet connection is made. It is effectively a blanket license. And with the following, you confirmed it...

...thus.

I see...

Well, now I have something else to experiment with soon.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I see...

Well, now I have something else to experiment with soon.

Do share when you do!

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Incorrect. Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC is a long-term service branch of the OS. The 2032 timeline is the end date for microsoft supported updates. Paid update, if they're made available will come after that time-point.

What? Then why do they have normal and extended cutoff dates?

 

[theFOoL]

Just bc M$ will cutoff updates there's no meaning how long *They will continue updates like they did with xp

 

[Shrek]

Guess I'll just wait and see what happens as we approach Oct 14, 2025

 

[theFOoL]

I mean... The kernel is roughly the same with 11 so I wouldn't *Why developers would stop support any time soon lol

 

[Shrek]

Found some licences

Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 (IOT) 10-PCs Volume-MAK Original USB | eBay

bit pricey

 

[mechtech]

Found some licences

Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 (IOT) 10-PCs Volume-MAK Original USB | eBay

bit pricey

"SAVE UP TO 15% WHEN YOU BUY MORE"

The more you buy the more you save.

 

[Shrek]

Hacked Windows 11 is starting to look mighty tempting...

 

[mechtech]

Hacked Windows 11 is starting to look mighty tempting...

so is linux.............

 

[natr0n]

Hacked Windows 11 is starting to look mighty tempting...

Otherday I wanted to try a version of 11.... You know the dread feeling you get when you have a virus and need to disable it to gain control of the system ? I said fk this and went back to 10.

 

[Shrek]

Now I could buy

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 (non IoT) and be good to Jan 9 2029 and the prices are reasonable.

but I'm not sure I want to be that far behind.

Seems I have opened a can of worms here.

 

[chrcoluk]

Windows IoT Enterprise LTSC | Microsoft Learn

It is annoying standard LTSC got nerfed to 5 years, but I think it probably is long enough.

I used 8.1 until I brought my RTX 3080, by then I already had planned to move to 10, as 8.1 was at that point feeling really dated, and the GPU purchase forced me to do it there and then. 10 was clean installed for a fresh start as the 8.1 install at that point was quite old migrated over a previous platform upgrade from haswell to coffee lake.

I moved to 1809 at a bad time, I think within a year 21H2 LTSC was released, and it was a little dated, examples, no RT 1.1 support, no mesh shader support, no variable shader support, no preferred CPU scheduler support, no WPA 3 support, no ability to toggle defender tamper proof, no GPU accelerated scheduling support, I think what was unfortenate from about 1903 to 2004 was a lot of gaming and security related features added in that timespan.

21H2 not feeling dated, but I think by the time LTSC is EOL it probably will be hence me accepting that 5 years is probably enough, it does still get to 2027, its also all mainstream support, that didnt get halved, they just removed the extended support which is now IoT exclusive. Will probably find by 2027 that vendors may be dropping support for Windows 10 as well.

Given the now short life cycles for major versions of windows, it wouldnt surprise me if 10 LTSC outlives 11 retail. I may well be moving direct to 12 from 10 LTSC if there is a 12 LTSC by then.